I've always heard bleach kills everything but I just wanted to feel around and see how you guys clean yours out I was gave one that a good friend of mine used once not sure if he has anything or not but he didn't wash it out when he was done it's the newest rig I have but I don't wanna use it unless it's clean
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what is the best way to clean rigs out?
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While bleach is a damn good disinfectant (it kills literally EVERYTHING), its not the best thing to clean a rig, contrary to popular belief, because bleach is exteremely poisonous, and even 1 part per million IV can have really nasty effects if it doesn't kill you. The best word of advice, of course, is to use a rig once and dispose of it. If thats not possible, the best way to clean a rig is to draw water into it to the maximum capacity, and then to boil the whole thing in a pan of water like this for 5 min. starting the time only AFTER the water comes to a complete boil. This will render as close to sterile as you can get without an autoclave. (autoclaves use high pressure hot steam at a temp of 200-300 degrees F for 30-60 minutes, which are how rigs are sterilezed at the factory.) The next best way would be to obtain a small amount of betadine (also called povidone-iodine, which you can get in drug stores), which is an iodine-based solution. This is the stuff they use to prep skin prior to surgery. dilute the betadine in water to the point of light brown. Fill the rig with the solution to maximum capacity, and let sit for two to three minutes, making sure the solution is in the needle itself, as well. Then rise the for ten miniutes in clean running water. This means drawing back completely with water and then flushing it out repeatedly for 10 minutes straight.This wont do as well as boiling and its a real pain to get it all out of the syringe, but still safer than bleach, because its color is a dead give away.
I've used bleach to clean them before and it worked didn't hurt me or nothing but this is what's worrying me with this rig I think he let it set overnight or somin withought washing when he was done shooting and there's a little bit of blood not in the barrel but you can see this through the clear plastic that the needle comes out of I've washed it with everything can't get this out do you think bleach has killed the bacteria or should I just throw it away
Your veins will collapse at a vastly accelerated rate if you reuse hypodermic needles, so it's advised to use a fresh one every time. The needle exchange where I live will give you as many needles at a time as you want - within reason I'm sure - so the only excuse addicts have in my area is utter laziness. I don't know if you have the same access to materials, but it's very much worth it for your health, if not just to keep injecting longer and avoid going to site the femoral vein or the dreaded (gasps) jugular.
If it's just your needle that only you are going to be using, than water should be fine, but using a little bit of Dawn or other like-type dish soap couldn't hurt, so long as you rinse it thoroughly afterward to remove residue.
If you're cleaning a needle for use by someone else, which is advised against HIGHLY, bleach is the way to go. The way I learned and which makes good sense, is to take the plunger and piston out of the chamber and place both pieces in a bath of bleach so they are submerged. Periodically agitate the pool of bleach to make sure all pieces are making contact. After a few minutes, remove both pieces of the needle and reconnect them. Now, suck up bleach into the barrel, all the way to the very top and then push it out. Repeat two time and then rinse the whole needle out with water several times to remove all of the bleach. From here it should be adequately disinfected.
If it's just your needle that only you are going to be using, than water should be fine, but using a little bit of Dawn or other like-type dish soap couldn't hurt, so long as you rinse it thoroughly afterward to remove residue.
If you're cleaning a needle for use by someone else, which is advised against HIGHLY, bleach is the way to go. The way I learned and which makes good sense, is to take the plunger and piston out of the chamber and place both pieces in a bath of bleach so they are submerged. Periodically agitate the pool of bleach to make sure all pieces are making contact. After a few minutes, remove both pieces of the needle and reconnect them. Now, suck up bleach into the barrel, all the way to the very top and then push it out. Repeat two time and then rinse the whole needle out with water several times to remove all of the bleach. From here it should be adequately disinfected.
The thing here is that dried blood CAN carry viruses, though usually the clotting process will attenuate (weaken) the virus, with the exception of HIV, which is a retrovirus. Because retroviruses carry RNA as opposed to DNA, they are much more difficult to destroy. Another problem with HIV is that it is becoming increasingly resistant to chemical agents, and is NOT the same animal it was in the 70s, when the concept of bleach-disinfecting rigs was first coined. Best thing to do here is get rid of this rig, or disinfect the syringe itself and obtain a new needle, because retroviruses can hide inside a blood clot, underneath the platelets on the surface, where chemical disinfectant agents cant get to it as well. Heat on the other hand will reach anything that will conduct heat, which includes biological material, such as bacteria and viruses, because heat actively destroys BOTH DNA and RNA. This is why, in the medical setting, heat is the only acceptable protochol for sterilization.
It is an insulin needle so I can't take it apart and there is no such thing g as needle exchanges here and I have no way to buy them so I got to buy then off people I might get one a week or so from my friend sometimes brand new sometimes not if there not I make sure there clean as a whistle or I won't use them and I heard a virus can only live in a syringe for a month is this true and it's a brand new needle I hate to throw it out as I don't get many at all
Why can't you source new ones locally?
I believe us helping you source new needles if going to help you ALOT in the long run. Many of us are extremely knowledgeable on 100 different ways to get them.
No specifics required, but let us know your country/state. We'll figure it out for you.
What your doing WILL eventually cause you harm via disease, virus, infection, destroyed veins, etc. We've all done it before in desperation, doesn't mean its ok.
I believe us helping you source new needles if going to help you ALOT in the long run. Many of us are extremely knowledgeable on 100 different ways to get them.
No specifics required, but let us know your country/state. We'll figure it out for you.
What your doing WILL eventually cause you harm via disease, virus, infection, destroyed veins, etc. We've all done it before in desperation, doesn't mean its ok.
I cant find any restrictions on buying clean syringes in WV. It is still up the the pharmacies discretion however 90% will have no problem. Never in my life has a wal-mart refused. Most chain pharmacies follow the same protocol so I would say every wally world will sell.
A pack of 10 generally costs $3-$6. This could vary, but the point is that they're cheap. Check our IV megathread for help selecting needle gauge and length. I personally prefer 31 gauge short tips.
A pack of 10 generally costs $3-$6. This could vary, but the point is that they're cheap. Check our IV megathread for help selecting needle gauge and length. I personally prefer 31 gauge short tips.
On the virus question, HIV virus can live as long as 90 days in a dried blood clot, However, the longer the time the more attenuated (weaker) the virus is, and the less likely it is to cause an infection. HIV survives longer than most viruses because of the fact its a retrovirus. Because retroviruses do not have DNA (the have only a single strand of RNA that allows it to reproduce itself once invading the cell), they are not as easy to destroy as most other DNA containing viruses. DNA is much more sensitive to the environment than RNA. One novel approach would be to flush a used syringe with an potent-antiviral drug, and then rinse. As for getting them new, you don't need a script to get them online. I got a box of 100 BDs for around 20 bucks online. You just cant get em from a drug store without a script, but you should be able to get them online due to the federal clean needle act, and the interstate commerce act.
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I've never IV'd anything and never will; but just get new ones. Can you go to a nearby place to you, or another state nearby and get them either over the counter, or from a needle exchange?