What is the beauty in death?

[llama112]

I'm scared of death too and it is something that I think about way too much as well. I don't know how to be not scared of it. I'm not religious so I don't know what happens after. Even if I was religious, there are so many religions that I'm likely not going to pick the right one! Oh great now I'm going into my thought loop again

 

[ColtDan]

we were aware of nothing before we were born, so we'll probably be aware of nothing when we die. it makes sense. embrace the fact. when we die we're gone, there is nothing for us, our brains will not work, our comprehension of life and death will not exist. our atoms and molecules will rot away and disperse into the rest of the planet, after all we are a part of everything in one massive complex system. if there is one definition of god it should be the very universe we live in. the planet we live on. we are all a part of everything.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFMmzKDonRY

 

[artic]

angry at god???? lol. it was chance, nothing more. you should not be dead. god hasn't let you live. things happen because of many different complex factors and chain of events which lead up to the moment. yes there is something you supposed to do in the meantime.... carry on living until you die.

I guess I should probably just off myself, then.

 

[vvViolet]

How do people cope with death and dying?

my brother passed away 4 years ago after a long battle with cancer. during the time leading up to his death, i wondered "how the hell am i going to live without him in my life?" after he passed, my response to his death was different than i imagined. i found my expectations of my grieving/coping with his death to be vastly different than i expected. i have no examples that i feel are all that pertinent because losing a loved one is going to be different for everyone. what i'm getting around to is: you learn how to cope with it because you have no other option. through his death, i gained a sense of peace regarding my own mortality. whenever it comes time for me to start dying or die, i'll simply have to find a way to cope with it because there are no alternatives. lastly, i'm going to totally agree with vegan on this, there are lots and lots of people who sincerely are not afraid of death.

fear of death is good,to survive... evolution makes this fear stronger with each generation becose carefull people live longer to spread their dna.

this is wrong. evolution has given us a will to survive to reproduce and such, but this has nothing to do with fear of death. humans are the only animals aware of their mortality yet all living creatures have an instinct to "survive and reproduce" without the slightest inclination of death/dying.

I believe you that you believe it but like I said,I doubt you will be like "fuck yeah! I am going to die!" if you was surrounded by blood thirsty people that were going to kill you very slowly.

that's a weak argument and i feel OT. fear of dying a slow, horribly painful death has little to do with fear of dying/death in the broader, more general sense in which this thread was started.

 

[HeWhoHowls]

I believe you that you believe it but like I said,I doubt you will be like "fuck yeah! I am going to die!" if you was surrounded by blood thirsty people that were going to kill you very slowly.

Technically thats a fear of severe suffering, wouldnt you want that release from agony while your being assaulted by blood thirsty ppl??

it scares me too and if anybody would tell you he isnt affraid to die he would lie,you may intelectualy reason with any logic why you should not fear death but deep in the core of your brain you have center there that manage self preservation and is source of fear,you may reason with this center with anything you want but you will still fear death like worst nightmare


fear of death is good,to survive... evolution makes this fear stronger with each generation becose carefull people live longer to spread their dna.These wannabe spiritual gurus talk whole life how death this and that why we dont need to fear it only to shit themselfs when their time come.

I believe fear of death isnt exactly the thing driving that instinct. Id say its purely from desire to stay alive instead of fear of death.
Im not afraid of the split-second transition we call "death"
Its like passing through a door.
Perhaps what we fear is dying in an unpleasant manner.
But the passing itself is really a liberating action.
I bet these "wannabe spiritual gurus" find exactly what theyve been preaching after death cuz they spent their whole lives in realization that there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

I apologize for the cheesy FDR quote but it fits well.

 

[HeWhoHowls]

I guess I should probably just off myself, then.

I believe you should focus on that deep-seated resentment of life n reason with it as the desire to die is prtty irrational once you see the beauty in everythng. you can even see beauty in suffering cuz at least you can feel. sometimes we gotta look for the good after the bad comes n finds us. your life, like many others is a miraculous occurrence. thnk about it, what are the odds that youd be existing at a time like this; its quite astronomical. i guess thats my way of saying thngs cud be much worse, so realize its good to be thankful for what you got. the first step in recovering from your anger at god is to truely forgive such a thng. only then can you find your peace in life. your time will come, but please let it come naturally as the universe tends to unfold as it should.

 

[B9]

I was close to or felt close to death once, it wasn't joyous I felt sad that I'd be leaving people who I love & trading life which I try to enjoy for an unknown. I hope my life never becomes so bad that I'd welcome death.

 

[malakaix]

I can't imagine the actual process of death been anything shy of unpleasant.. of course this is going to cause uneasiness in a person, but i don't feel death itself is anything to fear.

Death and Transformation are but one, the death archetype is the release of all.. letting go, there's a fear in letting go because you can't see the bottom of the abyss.. there's you and then there's eternal darkness.. or so it would seem from where your hanging on, all you know is this life and that's not easy to give up so theirs an inherit fear of the unknown.

The question is, do you believe in yourself enough to trust that the end of what you know.. is just that, and in all sense of the word.. we don't "know" anything

 

[artic]

I believe you should focus on that deep-seated resentment of life n reason with it as the desire to die is prtty irrational once you see the beauty in everythng. you can even see beauty in suffering cuz at least you can feel. sometimes we gotta look for the good after the bad comes n finds us. your life, like many others is a miraculous occurrence. thnk about it, what are the odds that youd be existing at a time like this; its quite astronomical. i guess thats my way of saying thngs cud be much worse, so realize its good to be thankful for what you got. the first step in recovering from your anger at god is to truely forgive such a thng. only then can you find your peace in life. your time will come, but please let it come naturally as the universe tends to unfold as it should.

Thanks, this was actually pretty helpful. I can't help but feel like the only reason I'm here is because God just likes to watch me squirm. Like, a kid with a magnifying glass frying ants. Most of the time when my life gets torn apart it gets rebuilt stronger, but I'm so tired of it. I just want it to end. The thought of living another 50 or 60 years like this is far more terrifying than death, to me. I don't think that it is really up to me, but I pray that I won't have to live through more than another decade or two.

 

[vegan]

I doubt you will be like "fuck yeah! I am going to die!" if you was surrounded by blood thirsty people that were going to kill you very slowly.

it's not the lack of fear of death that you're putting in question here
it's the desire no to be tortured

no connection

If like to have cool image on internet that you are someone extra,someone that dont fear death then feel free to continue,btw I am the Spiderman

there is no communication possible if you think that everybody is like you want them to be and have decided that they are lying if they're saying otherwise

if you look around, you'll notice that fear of death is not exactly the kind of subject people lie about to boost their ego

i don't desire to feel pain, but i don't fear death. sorry if you can't swallow this
and that's not so special. you'll find more people here who feel the same
actually, i've spent more than 15 years wanting to die but not doing it because of responsabilities towards others

the first milisecond the start falling down from twelve store building they experience biggest fear human can feel and will do anything to survive

and those dead people explained that to you, right?

anyway, the process of dying is different from death itself

if the process takes time or is painful, people will of course react to it
if you just press the trigger, there's no time for that

 

[artic]

^Word.

 

[izzy66]

i've been a registered nurse for 25 years and have been present at several thousand deaths, most from trauma because i generally work in the ICU or ER.

on the personal side, i've had family members and friends die from diseases like cancer where the process of dying takes place over months and years as well as sudden death from cardiac events and accidents.

i believe the body is a temporary vessel that life energy inhabits until physical death. i believe that life energy does not end and that physical death is a transition.

i do not fear death itself although i have some anxieties related to the dying process. for example, if diagnosed w/ cancer, my wishes at end stage would be to die at home w/ adequate treatment of pain. regardless of diagnosis, i do not want to die in a hospital with a bunch of medical intervention.

my older brother died from cancer several years ago in a hospice which is an acceptable alternative to me.

in contrast, my younger brother died a few weeks ago from overwhelming sepsis. he was diagnosed w/ diabetes at 3 yrs old and had many complications including amputations and kidney failure. he had been on dialysis for 4 years and contracted MRSA probably through the central line that was recently placed after shunt failure.
he was in hospital, suffering and terrified during his last days.

my husband died in a workplace accident years ago and i'm acutely aware that death can come suddenly and unexpectedly.

as a result of all these different experiences, both professional and personal, i frequently tell my friends and family how much i love them and how important they are to me. i don't want to be mashed in a car wreck and be thinking i wish i would have said this or that to whomever. i have a living will and made my wishes known to family in case i'm unable, for whatever reason, to communicate.

i know discussions about death make many people very uncomfortable but i encourage everyone to have open and honest conversations w/ loved ones about death and dying. death will come to all of us eventually.

(sorry about wall of text, am on phone while getting my car's oil changed, formatting won't hold afaik)
-izzy

 

[HeWhoHowls]

Thanks, this was actually pretty helpful. I can't help but feel like the only reason I'm here is because God just likes to watch me squirm. Like, a kid with a magnifying glass frying ants. Most of the time when my life gets torn apart it gets rebuilt stronger, but I'm so tired of it. I just want it to end. The thought of living another 50 or 60 years like this is far more terrifying than death, to me. I don't think that it is really up to me, but I pray that I won't have to live through more than another decade or two.

Although iv never met you n i have no idea who you are, my intention for you to begin your harmonious part of your existence is infinite. instead of praying for death, you could use that intention toward making your life better n giving you a stronger sense that your precious existence is beautiful n important.
God tests us, not to find joy if we fail, but to give us joy when we succeed n the determination to succeed whenever we fail.
Indeed what doesnt kill us makes us stronger, we become stronger by learning from every experince.


By the way, you are very welcome my friend

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

I don't think I'll have a problem calling it quits and sloughing off this mortal coil, if I live a long and fruitful life, and have a firm sense that my time here on earth had a purpose, and I fulfilled it. I definitely wouldn't have a problem dying if I felt that I'd fulfilled all my promises and obligations to everyone I'd be leaving behind.

On the other hand, I'm with arctic. Prove to me beyond any reasonable doubt that my life is one big random accident with no intrinsic purpose, and there is no grand master plan into which I fit, and I'm ready to call it quits now. Life is just too painful, and if pointlessness and eternal nonexistence is all I'll earn for the pain I've taken and plan on taking, I call that a raw deal. The whole Secular Humanist argument that a lack of intrinsic purpose and any sort of continued sentient existence adds value to this present life always seemed like so much logical and semantic gymnastics to me. If you happen to buy it, suit yourself. It rings false to me.

 

[shro0m]

I think you'll find more people fear a violent death than death itself. I for one have no problem with dying, provided its peaceful, but that's in part becauseim aware of the countless billions and billions who have gone before me and the complete and total inability to change it.
People spend too much time worrying about this, its so far beyond our control that just coming to terms with it is the ONLY option left to us.

 

[[skrillex]]]

ive always had this 'sinking' feeling whenever i think about death. it makes me wanna cry, crawl in a bawl, just run...anywhere.

but like Kaywholed said

accept what you cannot change.

i learned to accept that its' gonna happen. and now im kinda okay with the idea of dieing. it still scares me if i let it get to me, but you just gotta realize that thats just part of living.

 

[CoffeeDrinker]

We're like waves in an ocean. You can count them individually, but they are all of the same stuff, intimately linked together.
Once the energy that keeps an individual wave coherent dissipates its constituent parts melt back into that from which it came. Who knows what direction it will take next?

There are definitely a few genuine accounts of people remembering past lives. That comforts me.
Not that I believe I'll ever be spiritually awakened enough in this lifetime to ever possibly remember this life, but with enough lifetimes I could be.

 

[HeWhoHowls]

We're like waves in an ocean. You can count them individually, but they are all of the same stuff, intimately linked together.
Once the energy that keeps an individual wave coherent dissipates its constituent parts melt back into that from which it came. Who knows what direction it will take next?

There are definitely a few genuine accounts of people remembering past lives. That comforts me.
Not that I believe I'll ever be spiritually awakened enough in this lifetime to ever possibly remember this life, but with enough lifetimes I could be.

i enjoyed this analogy very much.
obviously i agree whole-heartedly.

 

[sheepie]

Fear of death... i know for a fact many if not most people have this fear...

Besides giving me some philosophical or intellectualization idea about your own beliefs...(and your lack of fear of death because of your high spiritual prowess ugghh) and this not a debate about what happens after "death".. please people

How do people cope with death and dying? I know its part of life... but it seems im like always wondering i wonder what would happen if "x" died or "y died" or if i get some incurable disease and have 6 months to live..

i know we all die.. its part of life. .but its still a crazy thing ive been thinking about alot whats wrong with me..

it kinda scares me..

Perhaps this might be better in the dark side? idk..

But honestly i cant even cope with life alive so maybe in death I will have peace?

When you're really aware, you stop being the one who asked the question, you become the awareness behind your life - the silent witness, so to speak. The question, along with the thought that created the question, becomes a manifestation of the total energy of the universe. Once you reach that state, the question is no different from: does wave fear a waterfall? It's just the way things are.

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We're like waves in an ocean. You can count them individually, but they are all of the same stuff, intimately linked together.
Once the energy that keeps an individual wave coherent dissipates its constituent parts melt back into that from which it came. Who knows what direction it will take next?

There are definitely a few genuine accounts of people remembering past lives. That comforts me.
Not that I believe I'll ever be spiritually awakened enough in this lifetime to ever possibly remember this life, but with enough lifetimes I could be.

It's totally weird that I posted this from the 1st page and then when I saw my reply, I saw your quote with the same analogy in the last post It's cool

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ There is no "rotten" civilization. Nothing in this world is ever really "bad". Existence itself, in any form, is a gift.