RCs What is so fantastic about piperazines?

[adder]

Some time ago there was this case in my country involving "boosters" or more often translated as "afterburners". They were sold in funshops as powders in colorful packages or as pills. I've never used any of those products (or piperazines as I'm not into stims and definitely not into shitty ones) but I know a short list of confirmed substances in them beside various piperazines of course as they're primary ingredients.

These "boosters" have been made illegal some time ago. However, it's all there on the black market as you'd expect, the only difference is price. Well, Polish firms making hell of a lot of money from this wouldn't give up that easy, they moved to the Czech Rep. and they still operate via internet but their income decreased for sure. Enthusiasts of these products with unknown ingredients prefer buying it on the black market.

Now, I've talked with a group of them recently. They state that a product called "Ivory" (suggested by them as the best one) has a rush like crack. Now, this "Ivory" is snorted and crack is smoked. I've never heard of rush coming from snorting anything. Well, I guess they either call a cocaine salt crack and compare it to snorting or they never snorted good cocaine. Anyway, it seems they really meant smoking cocaine as they were aware of that crack rush is very very short and this "Ivory" rush is very long.

Anyway, it doesn't hurt to ask, although it's ridiculous what they said, what's up with those piperazines? Some say that there is RTI-31 inside but it's very doubtful as one needs cocaine starting compounds to synthesize it and this "boosters" business has always been founded on making money the easiest and fastest way.

So, what is so fantastic about piperazines that there are quite many people here in my country who used "boosters" and eventually ended up very addicted to it (well, even if you haven't been addicted, it always paid off more to buy amphetamine if someone had wanted to get some stimulant). I understand people with no connections who had to buy it from those shops. But these guys can easily obtain decent amphetamine. So why on Earth piperazines? I've seen people who consumed it and they didn't have much to say about it beside that it's inferior to amphetamine as a recreational drug.

 

[rickolasnice]

Ivory is probably MDPV.. look it up..

Piperazines, however, suck. They're horrible..

Although i've only had unknown piperazines in the form of "ecstasy" pills..

 

[adder]

Well, MDPV does last long but it isn't such a strong stimulant after all. Nowhere near cocaine rush. Certainly, there is synergy but still it's nowhere near the cocaine rush.

Anyway, what's more interesting there's probably so little MDPV (or maybe mephedrone, it also appeared in some powders from these shops, I don't know how long exactly this "rush" lasts, I didn't care to ask as it seemed funny to me what they were saying) that buying pure MDPV pays off much better than investing in this mixture of piperazines with some additive that's supposed to play the main role (as all powders contain piperazines + something that makes them different from others but very often it turned out that the same thing was sold under various names).

 

[Machete]

I was actually one of the few who thought very highly of Piperazines when they were big on the legal market here in the UK a few years back. I never did any of the various shitty pill blends though, I always bought benzylpiperazine pure.

I was one of the people who got an amphetamine-like-but-smaller high off them but the beauty was that they were completely free of a comedown, any noticeable negative effects and could easily be used daily for a month without addiction or significant tolerance build-up.

For me personally, it was one hell of a drug but I realise plenty disagree. Shame the legislation against them basically makes them unobtainable now because I'd probably pay an extortionate price to go again given the opportunity.

 

[sekio]

I don't think people are putting piperazines in "bath salts" - they have quite an, er, noticeable taste, and none of them really produce effects similar to cocaine except BZP.

Common ingredients are MDPV/penylone/butylone and friends, mephedrone, lidocaine, caffeine, methylone, etc as stated above - plus fillers.

Many people (esp. those used to shitty coke) can be convinced, especially after the addition of lidocaine, that PV is just "shitty coke" or provides similar effects (because it does, just not *all*of the effects that cocaine has).

But who knows unless you test your stuff.

 

[StaySedated]

there is nothing fantastic about piperazines.

 

[caseface99]

Piperazines are fantastically horrible. ^^

 

[|>R()|)!G/-\|_]

They act as antihistamines and livestock anti-parasitics.

I was one of the people who got an amphetamine-like-but-smaller high off them but the beauty was that they were completely free of a comedown, any noticeable negative effects

That's literally the first time I have ever heard that.

 

[amapola]

Discussing people's personal enjoyment of piperazines isn't really harm reduction material and not appropriate for Other Drugs so I'm going to close this. We already have a thread on Why do people ingest these 'bath salts'? which probably won't remain open much longer either. Some people like the effects or dislike normal life enough to escape somewhere else even if that other place is bad. That's pretty much all we can say.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.