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What is in the new k2?

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bluegreenman

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So, since the old chemicals are illegal, does anyone know what the new k2 and several other blends contain? It says on the back does not contain. JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200, CP-47,497, and cannabicyclohexanol. Im just curious as to what these contain... you know.. being my brain at risk and all lol
 
I think a lot of blends are using jwh 250 and 210, and also 122 and Maybe 081?
 
Nobody can tell you until we have some analysis data from laboratory testing on samples of that material. It's totally up for speculation. It tells you what it doesn't contain, which is completely useless for determining what it does contain, obviously. Why not send a sample to Energy Control?
 
Im just looking for a way to get to sleep :/ I get tested where I work soon cause of my 90 day period ending.. So my natural sleep aid is not available. Ive had terrible experiences with all these synthetics, and have a form of vision problem/hppd from them. I am desperate for some sleep, but I hope this doesn't do the opposite like the old ones did. Well here is to experimentation...
 
Hmm...you're probably better off buying 'blends' directly from people who make them, and whom tell you what cannabinoids are on them. There are lots of them around, and you can experiment with different ones until you find a nice tasting blend that works for sleep or wotnot.
 
Why not just buy the chemicals in pure form? You're playing with fire by using them, at least be assured they come from a reputable source.

I hear wonders about the novel JWH-210. Virtually no anxiety and a 3+ hour duration. Seems to be the most promising among the cannabinoids out there. Plus, a single gram of pure powder easily divides into anywhere between 100-250 doses, so that's really cost-effective.

By the way, I've been meaning to ask this somewhere. Do we regard synthetic cannabinoids now as proper psychedelics or what? I mean, they are clearly borderline, so what's the definition?
 
I think they are very psychedelic man... Ive tripped out pretty damn hard on synthetic cannabinoids. They have a very high affinity for the CB1 receptors, which are responsible for the "trippy" and "visual" effects of cannabinoids. Ive had full out hallucinations on them and everything. Just go to far into one of the doses and you willl see.. Its not always a fun experience either, with the uncontrollable shakes/tremors, rapid heartbeat, skitzo like thinking, and anxiety that cant be controlled with brain power. I think it literally turns you into a schizophrenic for an hour. I had voices commenting back and forth on every movement and thought I had. It was like this. I would think wow this sucks.. .and the voices would be like man he really hates this, yeah he does.. he is going to die. then I would get a drink of water and they would be like. And he reaches for the water, brings it to his lips, and takes a drink. what a refreshment. lol crazy shit
 
Do we regard synthetic cannabinoids now as proper psychedelics or what?
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How do we define "psychedelic"? Does it apply to chemicals that substitute for DOI in lab rats? To 5HT-2a receptor agonists? Or to chemicals that produce praeternatural emotion and perception? It's not exactly an unambiguous term. Are MDMA and ketamine psychedelics?
 
Yerg said:
How do we define "psychedelic"? Does it apply to chemicals that substitute for DOI in lab rats? To 5HT-2a receptor agonists? Or to chemicals that produce praeternatural emotion and perception? It's not exactly an unambiguous term. Are MDMA and ketamine psychedelics?
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MDMA and Ketamine are quite psychedelic by most accounts. Basically I would regard a drug to be psychedelic when some of these subjective aspects apply:
1. Increase in sensory input and minor sensory distortions
2. Full blown visuals
3. The feeling of connection to another universe
4. The loss/softening of the conventional ego

IMO organic cannabis has nos. 1, 3 & 4, but I still wouldn't consider it a 'proper' psychedelic because it's not powerful enough, and the mind high is usually contrasted by the equal body high, which kind of drags you back into this world.

JWH is different. The body high is much less pronounced, and when I'm on it I become extremely fucked up. I can actually see my thoughts visualize into shapes and colors. I never had that on cannabis.
 
Yerg said:
How do we define "psychedelic"? Does it apply to chemicals that substitute for DOI in lab rats? To 5HT-2a receptor agonists? Or to chemicals that produce praeternatural emotion and perception? It's not exactly an unambiguous term. Are MDMA and ketamine psychedelics?
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I don't really understand why people want to call almst every mind-altering substance psychedelic, there are term for ketamine - dissociative, and terms for MDMA - empathogen/entactogen.

Few more questions: is mephedrone psychedelic? is amphetamine psychedelic? is morphine psychedelic? is datura psychedelic? Are Amanita mushrooms psychedelic? Is alcohol psychedelic?

And although I agree that it is difficult to define psychedelic, I would leave this term for subset of 5HT2a agonists.
And not all 5HT2a agonists are psychedelics.

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2. Full blown visuals
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So, 5-MeO-tryptamines aren't psychedelics for you?
 
Psychedelic is very subjective. If I find that cannabis has more psychedelic effects than body effects for me personally, then it's a psychedlic. It's all about everyones personal experience. Psychedelic is just a word meaning to go into your mind. Opiates have those qualities for me personally, but because the other effects outweigh the psychedelic parts, I don't call it that. No need to get upset over a word. Ketamine is VERY psychedelic by the way.... That's the point of that drug. To spend an hour in your own personal emporium of wonder :)
 
Interesting as this is, there's threads about it already, and it's not even close to what this thread is meant to be about.
This is my stock response to anyone who asks about the contents of a blend in CD:
The distributor isn't going to tell you what's in it, and I'm not going to pay for GC/MS on a blend, I don't know about you. I don't think that there's an easy reagent test a la Marquis that could be used to differentiate cannabinoids easily (the existing reagents might be able to, but stoners are lazy so no-one's bothered to find out). What would be the real HR value anyway, given that all of the drugs in these blends are totally unresearched? There are also a huge number of these blends, if we were going to start somewhere it would be the various Spice and K2 blends, not some obscure blend you bought in your local area. If you really want to know what you're putting in your body, stay away from propietary blends and make your own from known amounts of cannabinoids and herbs that you acquire, pure, yourself, or, better yet, smoke cannabis.
 
Yerg said:
How do we define "psychedelic"? Does it apply to chemicals that substitute for DOI in lab rats? To 5HT-2a receptor agonists? Or to chemicals that produce praeternatural emotion and perception? It's not exactly an unambiguous term. Are MDMA and ketamine psychedelics?
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I dont think something has to be a 5ht-2a agonist to be a psychadelic...
 
Well I think it's very unscrupulous for blend-makers to sell their products without telling you what it contains (only telling you what it doesn't contain is not good enough). It never bothered me with Spice, but I didn't know back then that it contained a synthetic cannabinoid, and I was one of the folks who believed it was the plant material that got you high until data came out that showed evidence to the contrary.

There are plenty of blend-makers out there who put their cards on the table and tell you exactly what cannabinoids are in their products, in which ratios, alongside the various constituent plants. I don't know why anybody would buy a product that they knew contained drugs but were intentionally kept in the dark about which ones. It's the same as the so-called "bath salts". Why anyone would do that to themselves is beyond me, and I think the whole thing is very sad.
 
Be very careful with the AM's. Recently tried the smallest speckle and all color left my face. I am pretty experienced with most substances but found myself having that internal "do I need to go to the hospital? Or just ride this out" conversation. I decided to ride it out and the feeling faded at around 30 mins, regardless it was entirely too heavy and I can't fathom this being enjoyable in any aspect
 
this is more or less a drug identification thread, and unless someone here works for k2 and is willing to spill the beans (doubtful) there's no way of knowing. Sorry we can't be of more help, but in general if someone won't tell you what's in something, you shouldn't be buying it.
 
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