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What if life was one big lucid dream?

I've had some really weird experiences on 2c-e that make me question everything that I consider "real". A couple of times on K as well, but 2c-e is more lucid, with K it is hard to bring stuff back from the trip as it doesn't seem to store so well in memory.
 
girlygrrl said:
I've had some really weird experiences on 2c-e that make me question everything that I consider "real". A couple of times on K as well, but 2c-e is more lucid, with K it is hard to bring stuff back from the trip as it doesn't seem to store so well in memory.
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Me too! Actually I've never done 2c-e on its own the first and only time I did it was with 2c-i, but I had suspected all along that it was the 2c-e that got me thinking. You can take it so far, so deep, just like entheo said.

ebola? said:
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Glad to hear you're now out-of-it / back-into-it.
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Pedantically, if life is a dream, it couldn't truly be lucid, as we aren't aware that we're dreaming.

ebola
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Good point ebola, I used the term lucid loosely to describe the ability to make free decisions. But in lucid dreams, the dreamer often isn't aware he is dreaming until he does some sort of a test to determine it (my brother plugs his nose and tries to blow air, if his head blows up he knows he's dreaming). What if we only became aware that life is a dream once we perform a different sort of test? Maybe that's what death is.
 
well with everything in some element of doubt, as long as you're thinking you know you are...... thinking
 
But in lucid dreams, the dreamer often isn't aware he is dreaming until he does some sort of a test to determine it
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The dream isn't lucid until you are aware that you are dreaming. The ability to make decisions is generally referred to as "dream control", and you can have control without lucidity and vice versa.
 
^ and in the sense of a lucid drug experience, to me it means that when you come down you can remember a large enough amount of what happened to re-integrate it into your life.

Some drugs like K and Salvia will take you very far but are difficult to bring back insights from.
 
I've never thought this theory made any sense. We'd have to all be dreaming the same dream. You may be a figment of my imagination, though, in your perspective I am an imagination. Both of us "think" we're real? So if we're all dreaming the same thing and interacting inside this dream independently of one another, does that not describe life? Where you see a "dream"..I just see the "Universe". Personally I think our existence, our Universe, is bizarre enough. Why would we be dreaming these things? Where did our other vessels come from? Who gave birth to our other vessel? How is our other vessel sustaining energy? What is the purpose of dreaming a life when the vessel already has a life?

There are too many nonsensical aspects of this theory. Though interesting it may be. Although the Universe around you is FAR more bizarre than this theory and our theories on the Universe as we know it, hold more water than this theory.
 
I've never thought this theory made any sense. We'd have to all be dreaming the same dream. You may be a figment of my imagination, though, in your perspective I am an imagination. Both of us "think"
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You think; I only appear to you to think. It is actually an illusion, where everyone appears to you to have a consciousness when in fact they have no inner life at all. You have no way of knowing that my actions are actually the product of a thinking mind like yours- I, like the rest of the "people" you encounter, am in fact a "philosophical zombie".

I don't think this of course, it's just easier to state the argument that way.
 
Life is not a big lucid dream, it is actually real. However the way the world is structured right now is a big trap to keep people distracted from remembering their true selves and focusing energy on achieving their life's purpose.

When one "wakes up" from the slumber of monotony and starts finding out who they really are and remembering why they are here -- focusing on their dreams and goals rather than on getting stuck in "the system" -- it certainly makes a lot of sense from the "lucid dream" explaination.

Because "the system" is a big "lucid dream" and when one realizes that these are just constructs put in place to control people then the perspective shift feels an awful lot like waking up from a lucid dream.

Why do you think Americans are sold on "the American dream"? because that particular construct *is* a dream for the most part...to escape the control mechanisms of the system one has to find their own true path and connect with others seeking the same path as them.
 
Have you seen waking life? it's pretty neat.
I used to think of that stuff all of the time when I was little. I remember being 6 and thinking about what if we were in someone else's dream? what if our sky was fake and beyond our 'sky' is another level of civilization? and outer space was all a conspiracy and all sorts of crap like that. I used to freak myself out over all that stuff.

These days I don't really freak out about that stuff. I mean, I don't think about things like that. I don't care if life is real or a dream, because I am determined to be present in whatever "this" is and have a great time regardless. I mean, what can I do about all this not being real? Absolutely nothing at all. So I choose not to worry about all it.

Either way,
If this is a dream and one day I (or who ever's dreaming me) "wake up", well, I (whoever) would have had one hilariously amusing dream.

If this is real life, my life is excellent! and I thank my lucky stars I don't have much to complain about.

edit: err sorry if you were expecting a philosophical sounding answer...
 
Well it could be both really. Souls could be a fragment of a God-like being and human experience is their form of "tripping"...so your life is real and it is what you make of it as you have your own consciousness. But perhaps death is just you "waking up" and re-merging back into the godforce from whence you came and integrating your experiences into the collective experiences of the godforce that is your true self.

I'm not sure how to explain it really, that just seems to make sense on some level.
 
Yerg said:
This is pretty much the thought that inspired Descartes and sparked modern philosophy. Have a look at Meditations on first philosophy.
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Yeah, I was just telling someone about the Meditations on First Philosophy the other day (this subject seems to come up quite frequently in conversations!). Epistemology was one of the most interesting group of courses I took at University, once I could wrap my head around it! =D I eventually got a minor in Philosophy.

In the past couple of years, I have had some incredible experiences, achieved either through TM (Transcendental Meditation) or the use of DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) that have led me to believe that I have, at least once, seen not only other worlds/dimensions, but the "spaces in between" them and "our world."

This led to a massive amount of reading on various subjects..... formerly a Humanist and Materialist, my view of the Universe changed almost overnight. Two books, among countless others, have been particularly helpful in these experiences: Spiritual Emergency by Stanislav Grof and Warped Passages: Unraveling the Mysteries of the Universe's Hidden Dimensions by Lisa Randall (THAT one, written by a particle physicist, will absolutely blow your mind!).

Lately, I have discovered Phenomenology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy)

(Very) roughly put, Phenomenology is the theory that what we call "The World," that is to say, consciousness, is an intermittent event that ebbs and flows with the interaction between Spirituality and Materialism, neither of which, itself, dominates existence. (This as about as far as I understand it, so far.) ;)

I was going to start a "Phenomenology" thread, but figured this was a good place to get some FB on the topic.

girlygrrl said:
Well it could be both really. Souls could be a fragment of a God-like being and human experience is their form of "tripping"...so your life is real and it is what you make of it as you have your own consciousness. But perhaps death is just you "waking up" and re-merging back into the godforce from whence you came and integrating your experiences into the collective experiences of the godforce that is your true self.

I'm not sure how to explain it really, that just seems to make sense on some level.
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I think you might be interested in exploring Phenomenology! Start with the Wiki link I provided above.
 
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