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What I learned on the weekend

Pleonastic

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Over the last weekend at Earthcore, I had one of my most important experiences with MDMA. Those who were there who I saw in the morning, I think I told them that I had a "weird" night. Well guys, this is what happened...
I took half a yonnex at just before 1:00AM, after not eating anything since breakfast that morning. I also haven’t been pilling for that long... this was to be my fourth experience. I went for a wander around while waiting to come up, and after 30 minutes, I felt really sick. This has happened before, and usually I can just walk it off. So I proceeded to attempt to walk off the nausea. After about 20 minutes of walking, I still felt sick, I couldn’t see straight, and everything was bad. This was the exact opposite of NYE, where I couldn’t see or think, but everything was perfect, and all good. I felt alone, confused, and I wanted it to stop. I wandered around the outskirts of the market and behind the main stage trying to find an area where I could lie down for a while, but everywhere I went was too close to people... I needed to be totally alone and I couldn’t get there. This is when I started to freak out a bit. I was spinning in circles, hyperventilating, and having conversations with myself. These conversations I had are what I am deeming my most important experiences, but I’ll explain them later. I then proceeded to walk up the hill, and I think I must have gone about half way back to the check point (a long way, for those who weren’t there). Here I layed down, shut my eyes and didn’t move for about an hour. I sat up with a start after this, and realised that people would be looking for me, and felt extremely worried (this whole time I was still just as nauseous as I was at the start - very uncomfortable). I wandered back down, falling over the potholes and the fences, looking for one person. Somehow I found him, and I asked him why it’d all gone bad. I don’t remember what he said. I told him I needed to get to the car, and then followed him for what seemed like years. Curling up in the car, still feeling sick, I slept until 6:30.
Now, why on earth would I consider this to be one of my most important experiences with MDMA? Simple. This has reminded me that I am dealing with an incredibly powerful substance which must not be abused. The conversations with myself that I had on the way up the hill were between the confused me and the angry parent me. I told myself that I deserved this experience because I had become complacent to the effects and what MDMA can do. The other me kept on saying that I was sorry, and I was a fucking idiot, and that I’ll never do it like this again. There were plenty of other things I said to myself, but this was the main gist of it. Before I took it, I was in the mindset that I was going to be floored because I hadn’t eaten, and part of me thought this would be cool. In hindsight, I know I should have eaten properly, and not been so blase about it. So essentially, I was grabbed by the drug, shaken around, and slapped back into the realisation that I wasn't using it for the reasons that I originally began using it for. I had done exactly what I promised myself that I would never do - use MDMA for a plain and simple high.
In the morning I felt shit, but eventually got out of the car and went looking for people. And although I still felt a bit nauseous and was dehydrated to all hell, when I found some people I recognised, it all seemed to be a bit better. People who I had only met the previous afternoon already seemed like my friends again. In that scattered state, where I really didn’t know who or where I was, I could sit and share silence with people, and once again I belonged somewhere. Most of my morning was spent contemplating the previous 6 hours when it had all gone arse up. If I was alone, I don’t know what I would have done, and I need to thank all the people I knew in the morning - whether I met them 15 years or 15 hours ago. You were all important to me. I met more people the evening before than I have met in my last 4 years, and I hope I will see all of you again more often. You were all without exception the most accepting bunch of people anyone could ever want to meet. You know who you are, and I love you all.
And now the point... well, I guess there isn’t really an all defining, tie up loose ends kind of point to this story. The moral of this one for me is much more complicated than I could ever put into words. I guess though, that there are two reasons I’m writing this. Firstly to illustrate how powerful MDMA is. Do not do what I did and become complacent, or you will regret it in some way or another. The other reason I’m writing this is to further the notion that you don’t need drugs to have a good time. I met all the people mentioned before while completely sober. Thinking back, I didn’t need to take anything that night, because I was already having an awesome night. The first time I used MDMA my eyes were opened to a whole new world of self confidence and happiness - especially after the drug had well and truly worn off. The times after, while being fun, have not changed my outlook on life (although I have still felt good after). This last time, I flipped out, and this means it’s time to rethink everything again. I still feel happy and confident. And the drug wasn’t the cause any of that this time. So maybe I’ll stop for a while. I’ll only do it when there is clearly something to be gained. This is a personal experience, and I don't hold it against anyone for using the drug how they see fit. I'm not against the drug in the slightest - my first experience changed my life so much that I can see so much potential for good in it. And I’m not ashamed that I freaked out on half a pill either. Because we as humans are more than the drugs we take, and it’s funny how an experience like I had can remind us of that.
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"My wish is not to mean everything to everyone but to mean something to someone."
[This message has been edited by Pleonastic (edited 05 February 2001).]
 
yeah half a yonnex kinda changed my perspective.. on half i yakked 3 times, and spent 2 hrs crashed on the floor of ravesafe totally in another world. i never want to go to that extreme again, god only knows how many neurons i killed.
we've been out twice since nye, and rolled both times. both times asym was out of it, and at ecore i was too, only cuz i misjudged and the last 3rd hit me too hard. my sensitivity to mdma is insanely low and getting lower i think - if anyone knows if this is a sign of something bad pls let me know.
we swore this w/end we would stay straight. we only went to ecore to do pill testing, and yet we ended up rolling & speeding (it was such a fun party, it seemed so right) despite knowing that we really shouldnt.
it is definately time to reassess our relationship w/ mdma & speed too.
 
Yeah last years ministry was a big bender somewhere in all of it i snorted half a yonnex. Straight to the toilet bowl. Yakked. But after that yak i assure you i have never felt so good.
 
oh, I learnt a horrible horrible lesson on the weekend (earthcore)
Anyone who saw me will know how horribly messy it was.
I'm gonna post up when I get home from work. I think its time the poly-drug thing stopped.
A very sobering experience
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Pleonastic I hope you feel a whole heap better than the last time I saw you. It's good to see that you enjoyed our company as well, I know that's how I felt when I first met all of the BLters
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Take care
 
Pleonastic, I was just talking about how much I enjoyed meeting you and that you're probably the nicest Bluelighter I've met to date
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Sorry to hear about your experience and I too was feeling very sick in the morning and not really myself,otherwise I probably would have picked up on how you were feeling.
Take care and looking forward to seeing you soon.
Funky
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*phew* what an intense weekend
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firstly, can I say thanks to anyone who had to 1: Look after me
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2: Talk to me or 3: Look at me.
I had too many drugs, and paid the ultimate price. It was the G and K in the morning, just teetering on the edge of "the hole" and it was one of the scariest feelings of my life.
Please dont try K at a party. Its NOT a social drug. If someone offers you a big fat line (and if you're reading this, I luv you man, I just cant take my drugs
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) say, "thanks, but i'll try it at home" because i was so scared, and so damn scatty. I couldnt talk or walk, made the HUGE mistake of taking a big gulp of GHB on top of it all, thinking it was blue powerade *shudder*
Before all that, I was great. I crushed up a whole yonnex and put it in a cap with a smidgen of K and boy, i havent rolled like that for a VERY long time indeed. A LOT of fun. and for ages too.
So yeah, overall, a very sobering experience. What shits me the most, and this was the thing I regret the most, is the quality music I missed because I was floored in someones car. Big mistake. Next time i'm going a lot less hard.
A lesson was definately learned, but I had a great time none-the-less.
thanks THANKS thanks thanks to:
hamlet: bro, you got me outta my mess. dont know how, dont remember a thing, but you changed my night around for the better. luv ya bro, always will.
abbie: thanks for being the coolest doode in the world. Luv yoo luv yoo long time
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mac: thanks for partying with me and putting up with me. you're a champ, and i'm really glad you were there for me
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we are gonna rock kryal like its never been rocked before. Be scared kryal, cos the invasions coming (i'm being supa cheesy)
nick: Woah, what can I say? We shared a lot. My messy partner in crime. We are both to blame for being disgustingly horrible, but godamn it was a kack! Luv ya bro, each time we party, ew get into more and more trouble, we are bad nexs together, but seriously, I wouldnt have it any other way. Cant wait to rock on at kryal with you and da bois!!!!!!
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rhumba Finally, I get to party with you again dude. Thanks for everything, ur a champ. Cant wait for the next time, when maybe we both will be a little less sick
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hehe take care bro!
funky: I think you may have been pretty messy as well, but thanks for making the time to come up and introduce yourself. You seem like an awesome person, and what you saw on sunday was horses' evil twin. We will have a big ol' yarn on sunday mmkay?
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johnboy: Pill testin king. What a success!! sorry to get you so messed up on sunday. Heh heh, nah, i blame you for that state. Hope you got home safely enough. Thanks for partying with us. I know you are a true raver deep down
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asymetry and atomica: I fucken LOVE you guys!! Ive never in my life seen such awesome dancing as when asymetry was tearing it up. Seriosuly, I was speechless. If any of you get the chance to see aymetry and atomica in action, it will blow your head off. Thanks for being there guys, it meant a lot
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spiral, shadow and the rest of the crew: Again, great to catch up. Spiral, thanks for getting me the chuppachup. It helped a lot
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Maybe next time I can get one for you? sweeeey
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Anyone ive forgotton, i'm sorry, but my head is gone. I will add more when I remember
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AND THANKS EVERYONE FOR MAKING EARTHCORE A WICKED PARTY. shame about the fucking lazers~!! I think earthcore has the potential to be a mind-altering party. I guess it will have to wait till november
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bye for now - horse (messy horse to yoo
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[This message has been edited by Mr. Horse (edited 05 February 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Mr. Horse (edited 07 February 2001).]
 
Pleonastic,
I'm sooo glad everything worked out okay for you. I've been there too (only once thank god). It's not a nice place to be.
Horsey,
Bad horse! Too many drugs = bad!
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Sounds like Earthcore went off!
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yeah on a few times dj kitty has had the tendency to do weird shit like that and go wondering off and just talking to himself and brewing over weird shit,and inturn freaks me out and brings the night to a slight downer at certain points. Lucky for us that normally the next day dj kitty understands that all the shit that went through his head is drug induced and ends up apologising majorily to all the people he upsets with some of the stuff he says before he goes missing or to the people such as my self that have to organise search parties while totally off our trees ( an adventure i suppose) to try to find him.
To me its all about energy distribution, if u want to dance then thats where you can channel all your energy but if there is a part of you that is worrying about shit before or during the time u take the pill it normally fucks u up a bit
anyway thats enough from me
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i really loved reading your post pleonastic .... really got me thinking about me and my relationship with chemicals
i haven't ever had an experience like yours on mdma (had one of the biggest scares of my life but that was not drug-related) .... but i did have an incredibly bad trip and this trip really opened up my eyes. now i love my 'cid but for a while i wasn't really thinking when i dropped ...... it was more "woo hoo i've taken something and that means i'm guranteed to have a good time". but then i had this really bad trip and it didn't scare me into either a) never doing 'cid again or b) giving up gear altogether, but what it did do was really give me a wake-up call and alert me up to two things. i realised that it is not the drugs that make the good time, it is me that makes the good time (disclaimer - don't want to start sounding all wanky here but this is what it did for me and i feel it is important for me) and two (most importantly) made me respect acid, and indeed all gear, more. i think i had kinda lost respect for the drug and forgotten that 'cid is a powerful hallucinogenic that will fuck with my head.
so although i had a shit time (actually a terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad time) during the bad trip it took this negative experience for me to fully appreciate the many aspects of gear and give it the respect it deserves (commands???)
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ps pleonastic, very glad to hear that you and the horse are feeling much better
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sorry to hear you had a not so good experience, and that you were feeling sick for so long, however, what i am glad to hear, is that through this experience, you have gained a new outlook for yourself on how the drugs fit into your lifestyle. The way drugs effect differs from person to person, and in this case, from not eating for so long before hand, perhaps your brain chemistry was not condusive to even half an MDMA dose as strong as the yonnex's. glad to see it hasnt shaken your initial thoughts on the scene and what the drug can offer you, but congratulations on having the maturity to draw from this experience a valuable lesson, and one that i think many could benifit from.........
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pleonastic :
sounds like you got majorly "smacked out" (hate to use it but its what everyone over here calls it when a pill puts you on your ass)..
a similar thing happened to me a week after new years eve, dropped my pill in two halves, first half hit i was fine, second half hit, threw up (i usually only burp from the nausea of pills), and then spent the next 2hrs sat down with my eyes closed totally spaced out thinking stuff like "this isnt as good as new years eve, when will it end" etc.. scared the shit out of me because i didnt want to be thinking those things on a pill.. spent basically the whole night motionless in different places around the club..
once it finished and i got outside and back to mates for comedown party i felt 110% better.. i could function again and was actually feeling good (as good as u can the day after)..
it took me around 2 days tho to mentally recover from the experience.. although at the time i was scared shitless i now look back and think of it as a good experience, i was scared because i had never given myself a mindfuck befor..
although i still havnt dropped since (my theory on going out has changed..) im looking forward to my next roll (dont have any idea when).. although im hoping it will be more "energetic" the cirumstances will be different and i probably wont mind a "smacky" pill again..
PS : to avoid flames : i dont mean "oh my god my pill had heroin in it" smacky when i say "smacky".. i mean as in it was perhaps too strong a pill for me (being a week after nye) and put me on my ass..
 
*Intense* - what an understatement horse
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Hehe anyway had a really awesome night, was great to catch up again with Atomica, Assymetry, Horse, Hamlet, Miss Piglet, Shadow , cowboy
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and all the other BL's and non bluelighters i met.
I too was extremely scattered and was lucky to have someone else who was in the same state as me to laugh at and help me stay semi-sane
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I must admit that the highlight of the party for me was dancing in the rain to scott alert up on the NRG stage. It was amazing and the music sounded absolutely crazy out in the open air, so much crisper than at an indoor event.
 
Pleonastic >>> i so wish i walked into ya somewhere along the line during the nite, and had the chance to help u out and get ya outta ur messy state ov mind!
but i'm v.glad to hear that u pulled out ov it urself!
ur an awsome dude! i'm sure we gonna be parting a lot more together! ChookE didn't shut up talking about ya.
horsey and nicKstaH >>> it was good to finally c ya in the morning! u looked aaall wet cause ov dancing in the rain!!! hehe, aawweee, soOo cute!! u messy messy ravahZ, you!
anywayz, i waz @ the bass rollerz stage all nite! daYmn u shadow! i just wish i waz there to help u peepz out when u needed someone to talk to or wutever! sorry!
shall c ya all soon,
i'm sure.
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I had the same kind of experience once (well actually three times, but only one is really similar 'cos two were from acid, only one was from a pill, and that most likely contained something other than mdma).
I won't go over my story again (they're all in some threads hidden away on this board somewhere, oh for the search engine!) but the end result is that as you realised, the drugs must be respected... lose that respect and you open yourself to this kind of event...
Glad you got something good out of it Pleo... I wish my experiences could have been more beneficial, i did learn from them, but they scared me heaps too... Though I guess that's part of learning to respect the drugs, you're gonna respect something that inspires a little fear...
 
Thanks for all your replies guys... it means a lot to me that people actually have bothered to read what ended up being quite a long post! Thanks for the support and for sharing your experiences.
blue kitten: you've hit the nail right on the head... "it is not the drugs that make the good time, it is me that makes the good time". That is not wanky - it's true.
funky: if you felt half as bad as I did then I don't blame you for not picking up on how I was! Believe me, you were more than fantastic by just being there to talk to.
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pekkie: you were great in the morning... our equally scattered brains were communicating on some weird level, I'm sure!
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Shadow: don't be sorry! I know you would have done everything you could have, but there wasn't much that could be done! Like the others though, the morning was the important bit for me, and you passed with 100% on that one - you can wear my comedown beanie any time!
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Xtine22 and Sim^kin: You guys know how to party! Your spirit in the morning played a big part in lifting mine! How could I not smile back at both your huge grins! We'll all have fun together soon, and I'll make sure I can be around to join in this time!
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Yeah, so once again, thanks everyone
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. You're all unreal, and I'll see ya at the BBQ on the weekend!
*hugs to all*
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"My wish is not to mean everything to everyone but to mean something to someone."
 
Isn't ketamine used on horses as a tranquiliser??
Heh heh heh
Horsey...how many times must I tell you that not to abuse your medication that your vet gives u?
NO but seriously, i had too much K over the weekend and almost fell into the hole..my friend on the other hand went into a K-hole and freaked us out. thankfully he recovered without being mentally scarred but hsa vowed to take a LONGGG break from all the stuff.
RESPECT your drugs boy and girls. (yeah and i should be taking some of my own advice as well)
 
Pleonastic, glad you're back to a happy state. You and Mr. Horse also just gave meself a wake up as well.
i tend to fall into the 'nursemaid' role with some of my friends, where i start feeling over-protective and stupid, and ya made me realise it is still important to keep eyes out for them.
I know one had a pretty serious reaction to K when there wasn't anyone round, and yonnex have knocked a few friends arse over. Would hate to think i 'let' a friend mess up when could've helped.
Hope you guys continue to have fun anyway.
 
Pleonastic: thanks for sharing your experience - I think that it's really important that we continually remind ourselves that we are playing with some pretty powerful substances. I wish that I had run into you at some point through the night so that I could have offered some help and/or support.
I walked away from our meeting early in the evening thinking that you seemed like a great person and after your mature and intelligent post, that has only been confirmed many times over…
As someone who has been in and out of this scene for a long time (yep, I'm a bit older than most of you guys), it really is great to meet people who recognize that moderation and respect are important things in dealing with all of the substances.
On a lighter note, it was great to see some of you again (sim^kin, john boy) and attach names to new faces (pekkie). I know there were others but I need to meet ya a few more times before I can remember
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"Indeed, there is no end to this madness, and the yahoos never sleep." - Hunter S. Thompson
 
My Earthcore experience was very scattered to say the least! It's now Tues and I'm still trying to remember the whole event. Overall I had an awesome time,the party itself was pretty good and all the people I spent time with made it all worthwhile. The main reason I went to Earthcore was to catch Dave the Drummer and dance my arse off.Did I do that? No,I was too busy lying on the floor in the teepee, vomiting and generally feeling very scattered! I remember at the time thinking I was listening to the music and moving to it but now I can't remember any of it bar the last 20 mins or so of his set.
Large portions of the night I can't even remember(this also happened to me at the Bluelight party)and at one stage earlier on in the evening when the pill first kicked in, all I wanted to do was be alone,so I went and sat in the car all by myself for around 2 hours cause I coudn't stand being near anyone.
It's still very hard for me to piece together the whole night,I don't mean for it to sound like it was all bad and there are other things that happened to me but it's all still very sketchy.
Anyway, early in the morning after having a HQ, I dropped a Smilie and almost immediately vomited.From there it was pretty much downhill as I felt sick even after I arrived home at around 6pm.
Anyway,enough rambling but thank god I pigged out in the afternoon when I arrived,otherwise who knows how much worse it could have got!
Thanks to everyone who spent time with me over the weekend. Once again Bluelighters rock
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Mr Horse it was a pleasure meeting you and looking forward to catching up in the near future
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Johnboy, thanks for chatting with me in the morning (that was actually one of the few things I can remember clearly
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Shadow, I'm really glad you came along with us, look forward to doing it again soon
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avid Nutter
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Pleonastic-you rock
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Catch ya at the bbq
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Simkin-thanks for looking after me in the morning.Sorry about the spew thing
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Xtine22-looking forward to catching up again soon
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Pink and Spiral-great to see you both and once again the ever smiling face of Pink was a pleasure to see
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Dmand(hope that's how you spell it
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)Was great chatting with you and if I don't see you soon,I'll catch you at Astral
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Most of all I'd like to thank Rowan for being the sweetest girl alive and how glad I am to have met her.Thanks for hanging out and looking after me.
To anyone else I may have forgotten I'm sorry and a double sorry for the long post
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