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What happens when you die?

To point out a bit of evidence of an after life I want to tell y'all. I haven't experienced this myself, but have two valid stories..
A family member witnessed my grandfather in the form of a bear (dream) and a great wind that blew the door open of the house he built (reality). This was at a time the family member was maybe makeing poor life decisions so I take it it was a lesson to that person.

Story number 2: I talked to a man I worked with, he said he was deeply in love with his wife. She died in a car crash. The one time, or one of the few times, he returned to the house that they shared... All kinds of furniture in the house started to shake, and a broom fell over.

I didn't really believe in ghost stories till reciently, and the last story was kind of a part of my breaking into a new level spiritually.

These two stories were experienced by ppl around me, not me, so I can't say for sure they are true. Still, they were told to me straight faced and sincerely, there was no indication of falsehood at all.

It seems by this evidence, to me, that love plays, or can play, a definite role in the connection to people with the souls of departed spirits.
 
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KeyMiNDer said:
DMT:The Spirit molecule(documentary) http://www.putlocker.com/file/181KV274UDAJZ

...i really wanna share It
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THANK YOU. Watched it and i loved it. Haven't tried DMT yet but i've been wanting to and this movie just makes me want to so much more! The video kind of reminded me of something i experienced on acid and i forgot all about. It was like, deep down within us is our very essence which i percieved as 2 entities and they showed me what was corrupting my soul and what not... Just remembered when i was watching the movie and they were talking about entities :D

What happens after we die? We die. If there were a spirit, what happens to the spirit when we die? It may or may not transcend. We can never really know. Knowing is exclusive to beings with brains and once we die we no longer have one per se
 
Yeah, reincarnation... is the most likely thing.

Because we are all one, and all is nothing but cycles.
 
I can't see it well either, but I know it's here. I know, what you conceive well you enunciate clearly, but not in this case imo/e.
 
In your experience? So you are this 'energy' that goes into different bodies yet you remember nothing of previous lives? So what is the point of 'you' if you experience yourself differently each time and are unaware of any other times you've experienced yourself?
That seems uselessly redundant.
 
What about the idea of something like heaven? Not like the pearly gates heaven where we may or may not get accepted. Just a place or realm where all spirits go to become one with everything. Also do you believe that with reincarnation it's possible to become a tree? :D
 
DeathDomokun said:
In your experience? So you are this 'energy' that goes into different bodies yet you remember nothing of previous lives? So what is the point of 'you' if you experience yourself differently each time and are unaware of any other times you've experienced yourself?
That seems uselessly redundant.
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From a physical point of view, kind of? Since total energy of an isolated system (in this case, broadly taking the system to be the universe, for a more short term view we can take the earth as this system) is conserved, your "energy" is not destroyed or "lost" The total energy of the system stays the same, albeit the energy can change location and form (so, heat can become kinetic energy for e.g.) within the system. As energy can not be created, everything in the system is the same energy that has been in the system from before. Now, remember that energy and mass are equivalent and mass can be taken to be nothing more then a measure of the absolute quantity of energy in any given system. Mass, being equivalent to energy is also a conserved property. Matter, like stuff made of particles, can be converted to energy, and of course we are all familiar with nuclear power generation and the concept of particle/anti-particle interactions that convert their mass to energy. (This is the basis behind a PET scan.) The reverse is also true, and bosons like photons can be converted to fermions like protons.

So all the energy/mass in your body stays around, and since new life forms, like anything else that exist, are made of matter, which has mass, and is thus energy, your energy/mass can wind up in the new organism. You in turn are made of energy that was in an organism before, and in turn all of it came from stars and shit before life existed.

But yeah, "you" as a conscious entity is lost, as there is a mix of probabilistic and chaotic(deterministic but complex and non-linear) events that occur in between, the information entropy about your previous state that made you, well you, is very high, making the information no longer reverse computable and hence "you" are lost.


Also do you believe that with reincarnation it's possible to become a tree?
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Within the bounds given above, of course. Simple and every day example of a tree becoming you is you eating an apple and apple matter gets integrated into you. The reverse is true if you die and the tree roots grow into your body. But it does not even have to be that direct, as given above, it can have billions of steps in between, but your energy/mass are still conserved.
 
We are eternal minds in transitory bodies.. I don't know for sure, if we reincarnate or not, there are strong evidence that we do...
There are Indigo kids for example as well as other unexplained facts by science.

So....
 
Lost Ego said:
THANK YOU. Watched it and i loved it. Haven't tried DMT yet but i've been wanting to and this movie just makes me want to so much more! The video kind of reminded me of something i experienced on acid and i forgot all about. It was like, deep down within us is our very essence which i percieved as 2 entities and they showed me what was corrupting my soul and what not... Just remembered when i was watching the movie and they were talking about entities :D

What happens after we die? We die. If there were a spirit, what happens to the spirit when we die? It may or may not transcend. We can never really know. Knowing is exclusive to beings with brains and once we die we no longer have one per se
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If only i could walk down the street,go to the supermaket, at school, at work and even in familly discution and have a chance to share info like this...day to day social life would be so much more...AWESOME
 
DeathDomokun said:
What happens before you were born?
I think once you die, that's it. It's not like sleep, and there's no afterlife, it's just like before you were born.
At the same time, I know if I close my eyes and I block my ears and there's no taste in my mouth and no smell in the air and my sense are dulled I'm still conscious, but that consciousness is a direct result of my brain, and when you die your brain dies with you. When your brain dies, your awareness dies, therefore everything 'you' are (and I don't mean your opinions and thoughts, I mean the real you) dies.


Also voting is mandatory in Australia once you hit 18.
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Your actions are your only true belongings.
 
I don't believe in after life. I overdosed and literally died twice. They brought me back with the defibrillator (spelling? I think correct..) once and the other time they said my heart collapsed and the defib didn't work but a shot of adrenaline did. My heart hurt for 2 weeks after (and probably has some serious damage from it) and I didn't see any bright pretty lights or anything. Pure darkness. It was sleep. And when I was brought back with adrenaline it was just opening my eyes and seeing the EMS members boots around my head (I was on the floor) and waking up from a nap.

I believe in no after life. No heaven or hell. I do believe in a God though, and I think that he could give 2 shits what we do on this earth.
 
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Thou said:
Your actions are your only true belongings.
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How is that so? I'd say your body is the one thing you own.
Both actions and bodies are easily manipulated, so when taking an axe to someones foot or putting some drugs in their blood so easily alters ones actions/body, how is it a true belonging? When someone else can take control of it, or take AWAY your control of it, how much of it really belongs to you?
 
DeathDomokun said:
How is that so? I'd say your body is the one thing you own.
Both actions and bodies are easily manipulated, so when taking an axe to someones foot or putting some drugs in their blood so easily alters ones actions/body, how is it a true belonging? When someone else can take control of it, or take AWAY your control of it, how much of it really belongs to you?
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Our actions and words precede us, the history of a family
or contributions and examples remaining from an individuals life for others is what remains.

Violent acts too, they seem typically motivated this way, or scenerios such as an ' eye for an eye' would not be necessary...
 
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