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We will remain only on the Internet, perhaps someday it will be possible to turn our brain into a neural network and communicate with us, like with ChatGPT. Can this be considered life?
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
You stop existing. Just like you didn't exist before you were born/conceived.
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Do you stop existing during deep sleep? Consciousness is completely absent, virtually no one remembers that state, but it is not a vacuum.. there is still something present.
 
-=SS=- said:
Do you stop existing during deep sleep? Consciousness is completely absent, virtually no one remembers that state, but it is not a vacuum.. there is still something present.
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Yes, because you are very much alive with active brain function?
 
I believe our "souls" move on, to another state of being.

To think that we, the emotionally immature humans who use their weapons and toys to fuck with each other, deserve being "one with the universe" is hopeful thinking.

Ideally id take on a casual version of an intelligent being from another galaxy. Or, a Koala bear.
 
-=SS=- said:
But the mind is not the brain. As evidenced by out-of-body/near-death experiences where the perceiver has perceived things beyond physical range of the physical senses.
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And the (conscious) mind is is not who we are but the sum of what each individual has perceived and retained. Few of us even touch the sub conscious mind, let alone know what it does or knows.
How much do we really "know" ourselves?

We are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. :cool:
 
-=SS=- said:
But the mind is not the brain. As evidenced by out-of-body/near-death experiences where the perceiver has perceived things beyond physical range of the physical senses.
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The phenomena you speak of regarding near-death experiences (I've had two myself) is caused by the brain releasing Dimethyltryptamine as it prepares for death (the same cause of people having certain experiences when they briefly die and are brought back), so they aren't actually perceiving things outside of the physical range of senses any more than people are ACTUALLY speaking to God/angels/other-mythical-creatures etc when they take hallucinogens/psychedelics. Similar to how I have Schizophrenia and have experienced full-on conversations with inanimate objects etc but it was just my brain chemicals being royally fucked up, I wasn't ACTUALLY experiencing some magical ability to ACTUALLY communicate with those things.

I'm no expert on OOB experiences, but I HAVE had a couple and they turned out to be related to partial-complex seizures. They can also be caused by severe migraines, they way things like lights and aura's can be.

I mean, I'd love it if there WAS an afterlife (although I'm not sure the idea of "Heaven" would work, as paradise is VERY different for everyone, so it would either NOT actually be heaven for 99.99999999% of the people there, or we'd all be alone in our individual heavens...except that STILL wouldn't be heaven because we'd all be alone and not with our loved ones etc.) I just feel like it's very obvious that there isn't and when you die, you cease to exist (except, ya know, as a festering corpse and/or ashes).
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
And the (conscious) mind is is not who we are but the sum of what each individual has perceived and retained. Few of us even touch the sub conscious mind, let alone know what it does or knows.
How much do we really "know" ourselves?

We are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. :cool:
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Yes, but when the brain dies, so does all level of thought and mind, conscious, subconscious, superconscious, whatever.

Of course, we're all just debating. None of us can know for sure until we die and then we'll either know (because we DO have some kind of life-after-death) or NOT know (because we DON'T and are therefor no long existing in order to find out)....if that makes sense?

I'm not saying there is absolutely, 100%, beyond any shadow of a doubt, nothing whatsoever after we die. That would be very arrogant to claim I KNOW. I just think it's EXTREMELY unlikely. Like, trillions-to-one odds (same as the odds of their being a god/gods/higher-power), but that still means I do believe there is SOME possibility.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Yes, but when the brain dies, so does all level of thought and mind, conscious, subconscious, superconscious, whatever.

Of course, we're all just debating. None of us can know for sure until we die and then we'll either know (because we DO have some kind of life-after-death) or NOT know (because we DON'T and are therefor no long existing in order to find out)....if that makes sense?

I'm not saying there is absolutely, 100%, beyond any shadow of a doubt, nothing whatsoever after we die. That would be very arrogant to claim I KNOW. I just think it's EXTREMELY unlikely. Like, trillions-to-one odds (same as the odds of their being a god/gods/higher-power), but that still means I do believe there is SOME possibility.
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My point wasn't that this was proof that there is an afterlife; but rather that the (conscious) mind is not a good measure of an afterlife existing because we (as individuals) only know the contents or experiences of one part of our minds, and that the other parts of the mind are unknown to most individuals. đź‘Ť

While I personally believe in an afterlife I fully acknowledge that no one can prove if one exists or not. :cool:
 
On lucid dreaming--

I have lucid dreams now & then and it's really cool when it happens. They're totally random, though-- I've never been able to plan for them.

There are two that stand out:

Once I dreamt I was underwater exploring a coral reef. I suddenly realized that I had neither a snorkel nor scuba gear and I kinda freaked out for a second. Then I realized I could breathe the water and just went ahead swimming around, digging all the colorful fish and stuff. It went on a long time and was great fun.

Another one, during a particularly difficult time in my life, started as a nightmare (I very rarely have nightmares). i was being chased by a huge monster (think Godzilla, but scarier) that wanted to kill me. At one point I realized I was dreaming, so I turned to the creature and said "You're not even real." It instantly vanished in a puff of smoke and I woke up. That one was quite therapeutic for me. I realized that most of my anxiety comes from imaginary fears which I can usually think my way out of.
 
It's like being high maybe. You can feel it but it is hard to explain. I can feel the presence somehow. And feel better.
It's faith and spiritual. Not anything worth arguing about but yet it is believing. I wanted to know too so I ask for answers. I guess you don't really need proof at times. I just have to believe what I know is.
And it continues ...
Take care.


Hidu is from ancient knowledge. And maybe they actually are the spiritual beings and can see enlightenment. They know the lost knowledge and about it .
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
The phenomena you speak of regarding near-death experiences (I've had two myself) is caused by the brain releasing Dimethyltryptamine as it prepares for death (the same cause of people having certain experiences when they briefly die and are brought back), so they aren't actually perceiving things outside of the physical range of senses any more than people are ACTUALLY speaking to God/angels/other-mythical-creatures etc when they take hallucinogens/psychedelics.
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If the overwhelming body of accounts is to be believed, then your statement is incorrect. Many people have been able to accurately recount details of the physical world, corroborated by other people who witnessed the same event (friends, family, nurses and doctors). Recounting details that were not within range of sight or hearing, that are verified by others, is good evidence for the mind being able to perceive beyond the physical senses.

I think we have it all backwards anyway. All the OBE/NDE evidence, telepathy, even the fact that we don't see the world only our mental interpretation of it.. it all points to the supremacy of mind and immaterial/more subtle things. We think the physical world is real (and therefore ego is real) and that there may/may not be something 'outside' of this physical dimension; it may be that we're already on the outside looking in but we just forgot we were, which subsequently would change what death is - end of the body only and a remembering of Self.
 
I voted, "other" since, "become one with the universe" was close but no cigar.
I believe we become one with God. And I believe God is a sentient being. I pray to the God of Christianity and I do believe God sent Christ with a message of peace and love.
So, heaven is becoming one with God. He may send you back sometimes. I dunno.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
I voted, "other" since, "become one with the universe" was close but no cigar.
I believe we become one with God. And I believe God is a sentient being. I pray to the God of Christianity and I do believe God sent Christ with a message of peace and love.
So, heaven is becoming one with God. He may send you back sometimes. I dunno.
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Is it optional, do you think? Like, could you go to wherever you are to become one with god and be like "Thank you, but no thanks"? Because I really, REALLY wouldn't want that, so that would be closer to hell than to heaven for me?
 
God is just being good and being true to what is in your Heart. And simple.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Is it optional, do you think? Like, could you go to wherever you are to become one with god and be like "Thank you, but no thanks"? Because I really, REALLY wouldn't want that, so that would be closer to hell than to heaven for me?
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Could it be that hell isn't a punishment but a choice ? ;)
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Is it optional, do you think? Like, could you go to wherever you are to become one with god and be like "Thank you, but no thanks"? Because I really, REALLY wouldn't want that, so that would be closer to hell than to heaven for me?
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For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love
 
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