What ever happened to PCP?

[unodelacosa]

Mmm hm. I'm supposed to take an enema when needed. Guess I better take one every day now. No chance of me never needing one again, darn.

Really, man. Argue with someone else. I've seen you do it... when you want to.

"When" doesn't logically imply you need to have a daily enema, just that you'll need them from time to time, inevitably. If you're supposed to take an enema ("take"?) if needed, then that implies there's a chance you won't ever need an enema. And anyway, lighten up, gramps; I was attempting to inject a little levity, okay? No one wants to hear about your enemas. For chrissakes, I'm surrendering this one on the merits of not wanting to be regaled further with enema anecdotes and colon health tips from ya See, maybe all you need is to lighten up and smoke a wee bit o' the sherminator… I'm just messing with you, though. I'll concede, it's a bit muddied, bc sometimes the terms are interchangeable, evidently, and other times it's as I said: denoting the certainty of the inevitability of something. But whatever; agree to disagree if you still don't believe me. I don't care. I said my piece. And again pls know that I mean no disrespect to you just bc we disagree on some silly grammar point. We cool in my book… we cool in yours?

I'm pretty sure I got dusted inadvertantly twice in high school, maybe a third time while at school, smoked what I thought was hash oil and blasted off out of my body and lay for awhile paralized on the lawn at school where everyone used to smoke and eat lunch and what not.
Another time was with some middle class white kids that i didn't know at all and I caught a lift to a Yes concert with, they seemed really together, very hip and hooked up so it makes no sense that there was dust in the joint we smoked in the car going back home after the concert.

Not everyone bought into the anti-PCP propaganda, you know. And the thing about smoking sherm that is really super noticeable is: it tastes like chemicals and ether and all the things unholy that you might ever want to breathe in. It seems like that aspect of it would stand out to you in your memory, so much so that you'd probably have hit the joint and then said something like, "goddamn, what is in this joint? It tastes like we're smoking toluene!" It's not subtle, either. It's pretty undeniable when a joint is laced like that right away.

People underestimate a strong cannabis high in a user without much tolerance. It can scramble your brains up pretty hard, and it's definitely evident in those moments that it's a psychedelic. I've had some harrowing out-of-body experiences whilst too high on edibles in the past. I respect them much more now as a result and I don't take edibles all willy nilly. Perhaps this can acct for those experiences that seemed like they were laced joints. It's also super not cool to do that to someone without their knowledge, so I'm skeptical, plus I'm having a hard time seeing this happen to you on three different occasions and you not having noticed the similarity of that foul taste any of those times. But you know, it's not impossible I suppose…

 

[brokedownpalace10]

"When" doesn't logically imply you need to have a daily enema, just that you'll need them from time to time, inevitably. If you're supposed to take an enema ("take"?) if needed, then that implies there's a chance you won't ever need an enema. And anyway, lighten up, gramps; I was attempting to inject a little levity, okay? No one wants to hear about your enemas. For chrissakes, I'm surrendering this one on the merits of not wanting to be regaled further with enema anecdotes and colon health tips from ya See, maybe all you need is to lighten up and smoke a wee bit o' the sherminator… I'm just messing with you, though. I'll concede, it's a bit of muddied (n/p/i), bc sometimes the terms are interchangeable, evidently, and other times it's as I said: denoting the certainty of the inevitability of something. But whatever; agree to disagree if you still don't believe me. I don't care. I said my piece. And again pls know that I mean no disrespect to you just bc we disagree on some silly grammar point. We cool in my book… we cool in yours?

Sure

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

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[unodelacosa]

Here is my theory. Since PCP was invented in search of an opioid analgesic and was determined to have "no medical use"; notably because of the steep dose curve. (someone say that correctly)

Since it was never "legitimately" synthesized; well as alot of you know that increases the chance of a "bad synth" or contaminants etc; perhaps this had a SMALL amount to do with it.

Let me stop you right there and point out that PCP was indeed legitimately brought to market and remains as a Schedule II drug, despite it no longer being manufactured by the pharmaceutical industry… They withdrew it from the market voluntarily. The brand name was Sernyl. Look it up.

Also, it was developed as a cheap and potent anesthesia to be used by the U.S. military in Vietnam where soldiers were getting their limbs blown off in the jungle. Ketamine is what Parke Davis developed on its heels which did not suffer from the same side effect profile as PCP.

THE REAL PROBLEM -- PCP was released as a "feel good" drug. It is very much not. MOST PEOPLE who had access to pcp and were willing to brave the negative media hype: I suspect that ALOT of these people already had PTSD and a host of other mental issues. Disassociates do not lend well to those with mental issues; nor are they "feel good drugs" (for lack of a better term).

PCP feels good, what are you talking about? I mean, it feels good in roughly the same way Ketamine does. It's not an opioid and has never been marketed that way. The appeal comes from the dissociated psychedelia and over all stoned and relaxed feeling it brings on. To me, it's meditative, peaceful and very much music-enhancing.

All of it seems to come from East L.A and is usually sold in liquid from what I understand.

IME, personally, it comes from a variety of sources in different cities across the U.S. All the east coast cities have it, especially DC, NYC, Philly & Baltimore. I have no doubt L.A. is the source for it out west and I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago and St. Louis also had their own scenes, possibly something like Youngstown, OH, too, maybe Detroit or ATL. From what I've heard, LA is more likely to have Angel Dust – that is to say, powdered PCP you can accurately measure. Otherwise there's a tendency for it to be applied to mint leaves.

Dipping your blunt in PCP syrup,

It's not really a syrup. It's wet like water. And typically we pull out the filter of a cigarette, tear off about 1/4 of it lengthwise and discard that, put the remaining 3/4 back in the cig and then dip the tip of, maybe 1/4 inch into the wet. Then, without lighting it, you just draw on the cig and it pulls the wet into the rest of the cigarette. Oh and the taste is so bad, I can taste it now in fact. Then you light it up and that cigarette can get you and like three to five other people completely destroyed and couch-locked with profoundly blown minds.

How many MG's is that? If you don't know IT IS A PROBLEM.

It works out to be about the equivalent of 50 - 60 mg of the hydrochloride salt by my best estimate. I mean, inhaling a substance is an imperfect route of administration to begin with, you know? I mean, are people holding their hits or just blowing them out immediately? And different ppl have different metabolisms, enzymes, heart rates, body temperatures, body weights, mental dispositions towards things, and experience levels w/drugs. But w/a little logic, reason, accountability, and caution, figuring out the right dose as adjusted through taking hits and pausing for 60 seconds to evaluate how it's hitting you is what I kind of suggest to anyone trying it out for the first time.

All that being said; I would take MXE over PCP or Ketamine any day of the week.

Amen. MXE is my shit. But 3-HO-PCP is legit AF, too, to me.

If you do dose PCP I recommend a 1. Very measured dose 2. Solid frame of mind and setting 3. A trip sitter.

I mean, it's the same advice for any powerful psychedelic one might try, either on the first few trips at least, or any "hero dose" trips. And leave the stuff alone if your family has a history of severe mental illness and/or psychosis, especially your immediate family. But again, this advice stands for psychedelic and dissociating drugs in general.

I highly suggest you get MXE (if you can) instead of PCP.

That's a pretty big if and the stuff all but disappeared following the Chinese ban on it.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

^ Thank you for the correction on the origin of PCP; I thought it was deemed unfit for medical usage.. Apparently not until after some trial runs on ppl with PTSD...

I don't disagree that PCP 'feels good' when used correctly. What I am talking about is that it isn't the kind of thing you would want to do at any random time and setting. as "Completely couchlocked, destroyed"... I have never had wet so I will certainly concede the consistency. The way you are dosing it is MUCH SMARTER than the ol' dip a blunt and light it with a not lighter.

Knowing your dose and how you react to it are probably the two most important aspects regarding PCP, you seem to have a grasp on both. I am not suprised it isn't a problem for you.... That is called responsible use. I have nothing against PCP itself.

I will have a benzo at any time. I will Smoke a joint at any time. I will have a drink at any time. The last time I would wanna do PCP is around bikers or bangers. (from my, apparently limited knowledge that seems to be the people getting/doing it largely). Or someone dips a blunt and don't say nothing. (sounds like the taste is quite distinct when smoked and this must be mythos).

Glad we agree on MXE, you are right though; I couldn't obtain it right now. After having it I don't really wanna go back to ketamine or try PCP (original) though. Haven't tried that particular molecule but if it comes across the screen, I have money, and its legit I would try it. I always figured ketamine was a try once thing so when something better was around and legal; I got it out of my system

Again correct, I would give the same advice for any dissociative. Depending on which psychedelic and a persons experience I might not deem a trip sitter necessary. Dissociatives seem to hit people in a "wilder" way.

*edit* STILL WONDERING, anyone in touch with ham-ilton from BL? Somethin about dude reminded me of him alot. (other than the name haha)

 

[unodelacosa]

Sure

Was this irony intentional? Isn't calling someone a loser an insult?

Look, you're missing entirely my efforts to lighten the mood, and you're ignoring my attempts to quash this silly squabble over an inconsequential semantic point. There's no need in being hostile and passive aggressive now telling me "sure", as in "sure, we cool", and then including some salty diva quip / platitude right after it.

I don't appreciate the dismissiveness when I'm only trying to help. Sorry that isn't more obvious.

Oh well. One love, brother. Have a great rest of your weekend.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Was this irony intentional? Isn't calling someone a loser an insult?

Look, you're missing entirely my efforts to lighten the mood, and you're ignoring my attempts to quash this silly squabble over an inconsequential semantic point. There's no need in being hostile and passive aggressive now telling me "sure", as in "sure, we cool", and then including some salty diva quip / platitude right after it.

I don't appreciate the dismissiveness when I'm only trying to help. Sorry that isn't more obvious.

Oh well. One love, brother. Have a great rest of your weekend.

Why yes, the irony (again, fuzzy usage) was intentional. But, I thought you were done. I was merely lightening the mood back. Double "irony". Sorry.
I'll take this slowly, though. It might be fun.
When is an adverb. What is it modifying in my statement?

 

[Oldman Liver]

"When" doesn't logically imply you need to have a daily enema, just that you'll need them from time to time, inevitably. If you're supposed to take an enema ("take"?) if needed, then that implies there's a chance you won't ever need an enema. And anyway, lighten up, gramps; I was attempting to inject a little levity, okay? No one wants to hear about your enemas. For chrissakes, I'm surrendering this one on the merits of not wanting to be regaled further with enema anecdotes and colon health tips from ya See, maybe all you need is to lighten up and smoke a wee bit o' the sherminator… I'm just messing with you, though. I'll concede, it's a bit of muddied (n/p/i), bc sometimes the terms are interchangeable, evidently, and other times it's as I said: denoting the certainty of the inevitability of something. But whatever; agree to disagree if you still don't believe me. I don't care. I said my piece. And again pls know that I mean no disrespect to you just bc we disagree on some silly grammar point. We cool in my book… we cool in yours?


Not everyone bought into the anti-PCP propaganda, you know. And the thing about smoking sherm that is really super noticeable is: it tastes like chemicals and ether and all the things unholy that you might ever want to breathe in. It seems like that aspect of it would stand out to you in your memory, so much so that you'd probably have hit the joint and then said something like, "goddamn, what is in this joint? It tastes like we're smoking toluene!" It's not subtle, either. It's pretty undeniable when a joint is laced like that right away.

People underestimate a strong cannabis high in a user without much tolerance. It can scramble your brains up pretty hard, and it's definitely evident in those moments that it's a psychedelic. I've had some harrowing out-of-body experiences whilst too high on edibles in the past. I respect them much more now as a result and I don't take edibles all willy nilly. Perhaps this can acct for those experiences that seemed like they were laced joints. It's also super not cool to do that to someone without their knowledge, so I'm skeptical, plus I'm having a hard time seeing this happen to you on three different occasions and you not having noticed the similarity of that fowl taste any of those times. But you know, it's not impossible I suppose…

OK, yeah that's quite a good point about smell and taste, decisive in fact, that element was not there the chemically smell and taste, I wish I knew that then, would have saved me a whole lot of anxiety. You've changed my mind about what that was. But, it does seem my friend was killed because of that. I was not there at the party when that happened but friends were. But Thanks for that. And yes, there's no reason that my experience couldn't have been due to unusually good cannabis, especially from the people who gave me the lift to the concert, they seemed like the type that were stoner elite who would have had perhaps some kind of killer Hawaiian or just very well cured and stored and well grown Colombian, even the mediocre stuff I'f get could be pretty psychedelic at times . I was used low quality pot, so that is quite conceivable it was head rippingly good and also especially since that hash oil incident was the first and last time I got a chance to smoke that. The guy did mention his brother had made it, so it was no doubt very fresh and potent. Maybe pcp only ever was hysteria and wide spread wrong info about dosage like STP, and that one I am not put off by if I ever had the opportunity to take a proper dose. There was quite scary propaganda and stigma going aroundm I remember even in Rolling Stone there was an article about the cholos in San Jose all being hooked on this frightening drug, so even the hippies were buying into the hysteria too it would seem.

 

[deficiT]

This thread is about PCP, not about grammar nazi bullshit or fabricating things to argue about. Please keep that in mind

 

[unodelacosa]

I wish I knew that then, would have saved me a whole lot of anxiety. You've changed my mind about what that was.

This is perhaps the highest compliment you could've given me. People so rarely publicly change their minds like this. Kudos to you for being like bamboo: flexible yet strong. That's commendable and an admirable trait.

so even the hippies were buying into the hysteria too it would seem.

Humans are weird, panicky apes with a proclivity for babbling hysteria, laughter, tears, violence, and the manipulation of each other's nervous systems. I am no exception. None of us are. It shouldn't surprise me that journalism is as hackneyed as it is currently. I really do admire good journalism, the truth it brings, and the effects it has on society. And it's become somewhat rare, which is a shame. Also propaganda seemed like it was huge in the 1970s… very on-trend, and again now.

 

[Oldman Liver]

Thank you for the compliment Unodelicosa, but you did indeed make a very good and helpfull point about how there would have been a smell if it were dust that I had smoked. I knew that then, why that never occurred to me...well it was nothing short of some very serious self-sabotage. Good grief. I really suffered thinking my brain was damaged. It was very hard to have a sense of humor about that for the longest time. But of course we now you that your brain can go and use a nicew fresh patch of neurons in the event it gets damaged and even grow back som nuerons and as you are probably aware there are more and more studies suggesting that psilocybin mushrooms came help you with that, if those studies are to be believed, science is so damn corrupt, you don't know what it means when they say some study says this ior that.

Yeah journalism is in a pretty sad state, or much sadder state than it has always been in I should say. Its now officially a serious crime now to be enganged in. Thats how I take the whole point of the Julian Assange theatre that we were made to sit through and watch for the last decade. It ending last week or so in Julian saying "Yes it was a crime what i did." On one level you could interpret that as Julian saying fuck them yeah whatever it is what I did is to you, OK I'll give you that, so you can save face and let me out of the dugeon and you can have fun wanking yourself with the notion that what I did was espionage. But what the authorities and the justice system is going to do I think is say "Well, that changes everything you know, that sets a precedent, journalism we don't like is espionage or any other crime we want to plaster over it" And imagine that has been the plan for quite some time, to set that up.

Though I remember not being able to tolerate reading the newspaper back in the 80's. There was just too much in your face reality that they denied, lies by omission everywhere on top of the straight up bald faced ones. Pukeworthy Reagan era bullshit everywhere about how free you are as an American livng in a democracy. Those gloves have been taken off though now, of course, but it doesn't make it any easier to bear the new style which is to just flat out lie in the media and in the most lazy and appalling manner possible so as to remind you they think you are a fucking retard and that they are so on top us thatthey can make everything into a very bad joke.

But that is an interesting notion that the 70's represented a peak propaganda period. I was just a tyke then, so I was not yet aware of that kin d of thing until about 1980. I always think of journalism and the media in general as an unending onslaught of lies and psyops which does change its style and method every decade or so, but not that any one decade has the trophy for most and best performance. I'm curious what you are thinking about reagrding the 70's. It certainly was a very interesting and seemingly good period of time for most people. But yes, I would concede that this time now seems particularly atrocity strewn in terms of the murder of the truth and its malcontents. Russia is on the verge of collapse, really! Just let us print some more money and we'll take care of that finally and then you can go back to watching cartoons and eating your ice creams?

 

[unodelacosa]

I'm curious what you are thinking about reagrding the 70's.

It was the era of Richard Nixon and making drugs "public enemy number one", which is fascinating considering the growth of the pharmaceutical industry during this decade. You know, the U.S. was in Vietnam, and Henry Kissinger was given a Nobel Peace Prize for a ceasefire that didn't last. Women's lib + birth control + a sexual revolution = the free love movement and it was the era of serial killers, plane hijackings, various coups d'etat (such as, e.g.: the coup in Chile in 1973), and the era immediately following the death of Mao Zedong in China. Also, tensions boiled over in Iran in 1979 and a fundamentalist revolution took over with the Ayatollah rising to power. The Cold War continued it's long burn-out progression and Soviet propaganda was so active it began to consume itself if the prevalence of Russian Samizdat was any indication. Dezinformatsiya was like an aged fine wine. Some of the articles the Soviets managed to get printed in the western Associated Press are just brilliant both in the content and in their execution. You had NATO, OPEC and the oil embargo… it was a crazy, pivotal decade.

So it's not a surprise to me, really, that the era produced such legendary mythos such as the murky, psychosis-tinged fear cloud that surrounds PCP. The 80s were no help in clearing up its name.

Re: Julian Assange ☞ I have mixed feelings on him. Much like Snowden. I like the ideals behind having the courage to do what you feel is the right thing. Blowing the whistle takes courage, and at the same time, I'm very staunchly anti-snitching. But when the subject at hand is govt. overreach, the waters get a little muddy as to what's right and what's wrong. However, I am against incarceration for non-violent crimes. I think there are better ways of dissuading crimes, and I don't believe in so-called "victimless crimes" of vice, like drugs, gambling, and prostitution. Those should not be crimes; they have built-in punishments on their own. What Assange did was different of course, but I'm just saying if one less nonviolent person is incarcerated, I'm okay with that. I wonder if Julian Assange has ever done PCP… I hope so, but idk why.

 

[Oldman Liver]

It was the era of Richard Nixon and making drugs "public enemy number one", which is fascinating considering the growth of the pharmaceutical industry during this decade. You know, the U.S. was in Vietnam, and Henry Kissinger was given a Nobel Peace Prize for a ceasefire that didn't last. Women's lib + birth control + a sexual revolution = the free love movement and it was the era of serial killers, plane hijackings, various coups d'etat (such as, e.g.: the coup in Chile in 1973), and the era immediately following the death of Mao Zedong in China. Also, tensions boiled over in Iran in 1979 and a fundamentalist revolution took over with the Ayatollah rising to power. The Cold War continued it's long burn-out progression and Soviet propaganda was so active it began to consume itself if the prevalence of Russian Samizdat was any indication. Dezinformatsiya was like an aged fine wine. Some of the articles the Soviets managed to get printed in the western Associated Press are just brilliant both in the content and in their execution. You had NATO, OPEC and the oil embargo… it was a crazy, pivotal decade.

So it's not a surprise to me, really, that the era produced such legendary mythos such as the murky, psychosis-tinged fear cloud that surrounds PCP. The 80s were no help in clearing up its name.

Re: Julian Assange ☞ I have mixed feelings on him. Much like Snowden. I like the ideals behind having the courage to do what you feel is the right thing. Blowing the whistle takes courage, and at the same time, I'm very staunchly anti-snitching. But when the subject at hand is govt. overreach, the waters get a little muddy as to what's right and what's wrong. However, I am against incarceration for non-violent crimes. I think there are better ways of dissuading crimes, and I don't believe in so-called "victimless crimes" of vice, like drugs, gambling, and prostitution. Those should not be crimes; they have built-in punishments on their own. What Assange did was different of course, but I'm just saying if one less nonviolent person is incarcerated, I'm okay with that. I wonder if Julian Assange has ever done PCP… I hope so, but idk why.

Ok, yeah gotchya. That an interesting observation, you are right, we really did see the pharma industry start to sprout tentacles in the 70's and I agree the drug war is at least partly about squashing competition for big pharma and making things ideal for them among other things. Yes, anti-depressants and birth control pills start getting big around the end of the 70's. And I think its safe to say pcp was definitely used as a chess piece in the drug war back then, reefer madness style hysteria was getting pretty long in the tooth and the public was no longer going to swallow it, so they need a new scary drug. Many other reasons the kicked that off too. There is so much to say about all of this, the rabbit hole is so deep and so freaky, though much of it has been said and its going really de-rail the topic of this good thread to get into it.

Coming up in that 70's decade, I was 8-18 years old, and it all seemed normal. The eighties was a cold wind that was quite disorienting and hard for me to take by comparison, it was like where did everybody go? Hello, anyone home? I was too young to appreciate though the flavor and particular sinister twist of the 70's propaganda in the media maybe you were old enough to remember it and experience it more fully than I was, it was really a fascinating time, more interesting than the 60's to me. The psyops being played, such as the PCP thing were something i did feel and go through of course, but as for propagands no. The music from the seventies was the best too.

i wouldn't equate Asaange and company as engaging in mere snitchery. I too grew up with the notion that you don't bust people for stuff that does not harm anyone, that you watch yourself and not be an idiot and call the police because they are having a quiet little cozy dust session next door, doing that is what I call snitching. Of course other people would say no, you don't bust people for anything, any of it is snitching, it sounds like you are of that stripe that it doesn't matter, I guess if governments can't keep secrest then they have whats coming to them, they need to get their secrecy updated and more finely tuned or they dont deserve to mastrs of the universe. Its not Assange's fault and throwing him in prison for 300 years doesn't fix your own problem. But Wikileaks was about exposing something world wide and something that the technology threw up in his and other people's faces. he was at the end of the day more a witness who testified via his Wikileaks stream of exposed supposedly secret communications not a snitch but the again ultimetely what to call it, snicthing or exposing truth, is determined by your opinion about what he accomplished I suppose, was it just petty, personal and for personal gain or even just simply spiteful and vindictive, -which is what I associate snitching with- what Assange and Co. revealed or was it for the greater good. If the latter then I wouldn't call it mere snitchery. I would say it was for the greater good the government and many other entities coporatations ngos et al are engaged in some serious crimes against humanity that they should not be able to conduct without even the knowledge of the public paying their salaries and a public in whose name they commit their crimes many times. That shoit needs to get out in the open it isn;t snitching, its an attenpt to survive. Thats all I'll say, sorry to people who want to share research regarding pcp, very worthwhile too.

 

[unodelacosa]

The music from the seventies was the best too.

Totally agreed. 80s music sucks ass, mostly, by comparison. The 90s were simillarly good, in my opinion.

other people would say no, you don't bust people for anything, any of it is snitching, it sounds like you are of that stripe that it doesn't matter,

To the contrary, I'm not that hardcore about it. I value civility, manners, consideration, and tolerance. I like it when people get along and bring together their talents until new thing emerge from combined human intelligence. This is the crux of our technology and how its evolving – collaboration and confluence, if you'll pardon the buzz term…

No, snitching is when a person is doing dirty deeds and they inform on others who're doing the same dirty deeds. They snitch in order to save their own ass, essentially. If someone is harming or abusing someone, or unjustly victimizing a person, I don't consider that snitching at all if one alerts the authorities. If some would-be terrorist plants a bag with a bomb in it, and someone else witnesses this, they have an obligation to alert the authorities. That's also not snitching. Whistleblowing on gov. overreach is similarly not snitching, but circulating classified government documents w/o the authority to do so is arguably not so innocent, regardless of that person's good intentions. Like I said, it gets a little murky and I try to reserve judgment.

or even just simply spiteful and vindictive, -which is what I associate snitching with

Ok but most snitching isn't done out of spite, malice, revenge or vindictiveness. That's not to say occasionally those elements aren't present. But the main reason people snitch – as distinct from whistleblowing, btw – but people snitch to avoid incarceration.