what does your taste in music say about you?

i think that the more you know about music the more it can tell,

most people dont know shit so it really doesnt tell much

from my experience people do know only a little n they judge you from what they know, which ends up telling more about them then you
 
See, Rated E has good taste in music. I know I should qualify that with an, "IMO", and at the risk of coming off like J. Evans Pritchard here, it really is crystal clear to me what makes one music trash, another merely listenable, and yet another a quality track. I have a hard time subscribing to the notion that the value of a piece of music is subject to the listener's fancy. If you, the listener have heard and absorbed a very broad sampling of different styles and genres, it becomes possible to evaluate it with a well-tuned and discriminate ear.

For example, when I was 12 I liked Meat Loaf. I bought Bat Out Of Hell II and played the casette to death. As I grew older, I discovered that Meat Loaf was appropriate music for 12-year-olds who hadn't been exposed to much in the way of art. It was accessible, and it made sense. When I was 18 I listened to vocal house and trance. As you can imagine, as I grew into my 20's, I discovered that this too was appropriate music for a teenager with my interests at the time. However, I grew up and so too did my interests mature.

Along the way, I've gone back and looked at Floyd, Blowie, The Beatles, T. Rex, The Beach Boys, and several other groups and added their contributions to my repertoire as well. Having not been alive, or of an age to benefit from their work, it's vitally important that I sample it.. All of it.. or atleast that which I can get my hands on.

To draw an analogy, as I've gotten older, I've discovered what separates good scotch from bad scotch, good cheese from bad cheese, good olives from bad olives, and good steak from bad steak. When I was younger, I hadn't yet acquired these tastes. Today, few would argue my assertion that a ribeye is better than a flank steak, or a Glenliver is better than a Johnny Walker Red. With music it's the same principle, but with a different sensation (hearing vs. taste)

Keep in mind, that through this time, I was introduced repeatedly to other styles of music. I've probably listened to Wu Tang's 36 Chambers more than 99% of the people who really enjoy rap, simply by being around people who listened to it constantly. Over the years I have gained an appreciation for many styles and genres, and others I have simply endured, but endured with an open enough mind to listen and evaluate. As a result, my taste in rap music has refined itself over the years. Ditto for rock, folk, pop, jazz, contemporary, and every possible flavor of electronic you could dream up.

Some other styles of music, or artists, cannot be refined. Country music (with a few notable exceptions such as Johnny Cash) is predicated on its simplicity and ease of accessibility. Whereas rap has escaped many of its boundaries with the fusion of electronics and lyrical open-mindedness, Country is and always has been ankle-deep by design. Therefore, one could ostensibly assert that almost all Country music is inferior in its depth and refinement than other styles of music. To say that Country is the Seagrams vodka of music wouldn't be too far amiss.

That aside, I don't find genre a good criteria to judge music, as all genres have redeeming qualities and artistic value.

I see music appreciation as a wide progression that moves in one direction. You go deeper, you go darker, and you get more complex. That is the tragedy of good art. It just keeps getting darker. Now don't misunderstand dark with evil. Dark simply means that it must explore what is beyond normal, and beyond life.. that which is dark to us. To achieve that, we must go beyond the Top 40, beyond the tried and true, and beyond what's currently playing on the radio. We're extremely lucky to be alive in such an age where this great art is everywhere and is constantly being created. To anyone who says, "Good music died in the 60's or 70's", to that person I say, 'You are a deaf fool.'
 
^ that does make you sound like some hipster in his 20s tho..

edit : tho it was entertaining
n i would have to mostly say that you probably dont know shit about country music
 
I like music that I connect with lyrically.
But to most people, I have no taste in music...
I'm rather mainstream new rock, but I am connected to what I hear.
 
I see music appreciation as a wide progression that moves in one direction. You go deeper, you go darker, and you get more complex. That is the tragedy of good art. It just keeps getting darker. Now don't misunderstand dark with evil. Dark simply means that it must explore what is beyond normal, and beyond life.. that which is dark to us.

I don't think I quite understand what you mean by dark. Do you mean unfamiliar, alien, or outside the realm of our everyday experience? In that case, I'd agree with you -- I'd say good art, including good music, pushes our boundaries and invites us to explore whole ways of thinking and being that we might not have had opportunity to do. But I've never heard the word 'dark' used to mean this.

I say this as a person who does not have a taste for the 'dark', as this term is usually used. I don't enjoy Tim Burton's movies, for example, as I don't have a taste for the twisted, controversial, and disturbing. I recognize that Tim Burton is an amazing filmmaker, but I'd stop well short of saying I like him and his work. I say the same thing about all forms of metal besides prog-metal (which I love), slasher films, gruesome visual art, books about fucked up people that have no redemptive ending, you get the idea. I can recognize that all of these works are art, and respect the talent of the artists that did them. But I feel comfortable saying I'll never like them or seek them out no matter how old I get. To me, the real world is fucked up enough. I don't need MORE of that in my entertainment. If anything, I'm looking for refuge from that when I'm looking to be entertained.

I agree with you that good music is always complex and moving. But can good music not be at the same time complex AND light? I think one of the most genius composers of modern times is Nintendo's Koji Kondo. Using very simple synthesizers sometimes, Kondo has written lush and lovable pieces that distill the essence of melodies played at entertainment venues of days gone by: silent movies, penny arcades, circuses, minstrel shows, and carnivals. I find the background music for the Wii's 'Mii' control center (the one with violin and xylophone solos) very beautiful, even when heard repeatedly.

I also think that bossa nova is about as good as music ever got. Even when I can't understand a word being sung, its melodies are among the most emotionally moving there are, and the orchestrations can get quite complex and layered. (I'd list Antonio Carlos Jobim as my number two composer, after Kondo). Bossa nova is definitely not happy music -- it's sweet but sad. But it's most certainly not dark.

Sometimes a good trance set just hits the spot, too. It's incredibly textured and complex, and for the most part very uplifting. I don't see myself ever 'graduating from' this music the way you did. What made you sour on it?

I'd be interested to know whether I'm an anomaly when it comes to the maturation of my musical tastes. FWIW, I follow absolutely no one when it comes to picking music. If it sounds good and truly moves me, I listen to it, regardless of what my friends are putting on and recommending.
 
MDAO said:
I say this as a person who does not have a taste for the 'dark', as this term is usually used. I don't enjoy Tim Burton's movies, for example, as I don't have a taste for the twisted, controversial, and disturbing. I recognize that Tim Burton is an amazing filmmaker, but I'd stop well short of saying I like him and his work. I say the same thing about all forms of metal besides prog-metal (which I love), slasher films, gruesome visual art, books about fucked up people that have no redemptive ending, you get the idea. I can recognize that all of these works are art, and respect the talent of the artists that did them. But I feel comfortable saying I'll never like them or seek them out no matter how old I get. To me, the real world is fucked up enough. I don't need MORE of that in my entertainment. If anything, I'm looking for refuge from that when I'm looking to be entertained.

I think it might be that you're listening to music differently from those who are inclined to enjoy the 'dark'. For me, at least, dissonant and minor melodies and harmonies, abrasive timbres, etc. are aesthetic goods in themselves (assuming that the general standard of 'good' music has been met), about which I have little or nothing to say. In fact, to comment on their significance as "dark" does more violence to such experiences' phenomenologies than holding up the 'positive' as a foil. Accordingly, 'angry' or 'sad' songs don't impart anger or sadness to me, nor are they particularly useful as catharsis; rather, at their best, it's the ineffible, "Yes!" of good art which holds resonance.

But perhaps my take is in the minority...

ebola
 
GAWWWDDD Minus the Bear sucks so hard.

You lose M_P.

You have failed the litmus test. ;)

We had a very similar and lengthy thread in NEMD about this. It's not like we're not able to have societal/psychological discussions related to music over there too... whatever happened to 'sharing' threads?
 
I'm kidding n3o. You're not missing anything. I like Minus the Bear. I'm just trying to bust some M_P balls (he's like the biggest MtB fan evaaa). :)

I wasn't entirely kidding about the 'sharing' sentiment though. I always advocate for it and it usually falls on deaf ears. C'est la vie.

How do I feel my taste in music reflects me? I think most stuff is pretty crappy but understand how difficult it is to make (especially when mainstream music is generally so terrible) so I feel I appreciate when I hear *good* music even more than if I didn't feel so strongly about it. I guess I'm sort of a snob. I'm ok with it. :)
 
It *is* a good question!

Goddamn, I'm thinking the thread we got in the giant discussion over this in NEMD was accidentally pruned. :( I'll keep looking for related reading...

Edit: I did create this for the thread way back when:

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I'm not so sure I agree with that paint anymore. ;)
 
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Gahh! I've been duped!
You guys are confusing me with your American humour/sarcasm! :D
 
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