JessFR
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It means not getting drunk or high.
I'm on methadone, I don't see that as not being sober. If I were catching a strong buzz off the methadone that would be different, then I wouldn't call that sobriety. But if you just feel normal from using it then that's still sober.
I'm generally interested in the spirit and the intent of rules and definitions more than the semantics and specifics. So to me, the question is only if in your perception you're getting drunk or high. If you are you're not sober, if you aren't you are.
My extensive opioid use as an addict has fucked my brain chemistry such that I don't produce sufficient opioids on my own and what I do produce doesn't work properly. As a result I need to supplement it for my brain to work properly. Doing that isn't the same thing as using.
Using is going and getting high, I know what getting high feels like. If that's not happening, it's not using. That I need opioids to function at a normal level is irrelivent to me.
That's how I see it. The spirit of the rules not the letter.
Another example, I was talking to my mom about what it means to lie the other day. I told her I thought something she was doing was dishonest. Not as a judgement in that she shouldn't do it, I agree with her doing it, I just don't agree that it's honest. She said she wasn't telling people something that was literally untrue.
I said that it doesn't matter. She is doing it knowing that what she tells them will lead to a false assumption, and so it's still dishonest even if it's not strictly speaking unfactual. She agreed. It wasn't really about if it was right or wrong for her to do it. Neither of us have a moral problem with it. It was just an acedemic question on if it was lying or not. And I said it was because its intentionally misleading.
Because I believe in the spirit and intent of the word more than the strict definition, same as with this.
Some people would say that if you're on methadone you're still using. And I would say that's bullshit. I use to get high. Cause I love opioids. If I'm not getting high it's not using. I know what being high is and with my tolerance and being on methadone and how I'm taking it, I'm not getting high and so it's no longer using.
The experience is what matters not the actual activity.
I'm on methadone, I don't see that as not being sober. If I were catching a strong buzz off the methadone that would be different, then I wouldn't call that sobriety. But if you just feel normal from using it then that's still sober.
I'm generally interested in the spirit and the intent of rules and definitions more than the semantics and specifics. So to me, the question is only if in your perception you're getting drunk or high. If you are you're not sober, if you aren't you are.
My extensive opioid use as an addict has fucked my brain chemistry such that I don't produce sufficient opioids on my own and what I do produce doesn't work properly. As a result I need to supplement it for my brain to work properly. Doing that isn't the same thing as using.
Using is going and getting high, I know what getting high feels like. If that's not happening, it's not using. That I need opioids to function at a normal level is irrelivent to me.
That's how I see it. The spirit of the rules not the letter.
Another example, I was talking to my mom about what it means to lie the other day. I told her I thought something she was doing was dishonest. Not as a judgement in that she shouldn't do it, I agree with her doing it, I just don't agree that it's honest. She said she wasn't telling people something that was literally untrue.
I said that it doesn't matter. She is doing it knowing that what she tells them will lead to a false assumption, and so it's still dishonest even if it's not strictly speaking unfactual. She agreed. It wasn't really about if it was right or wrong for her to do it. Neither of us have a moral problem with it. It was just an acedemic question on if it was lying or not. And I said it was because its intentionally misleading.
Because I believe in the spirit and intent of the word more than the strict definition, same as with this.
Some people would say that if you're on methadone you're still using. And I would say that's bullshit. I use to get high. Cause I love opioids. If I'm not getting high it's not using. I know what being high is and with my tolerance and being on methadone and how I'm taking it, I'm not getting high and so it's no longer using.
The experience is what matters not the actual activity.
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