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What does Kroakadil look like?

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Declan2293

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Ok, so I used the search engine and I couldent find a physicial description of Krokadil, ill looked in a lot of places and just haven't found a description of the physical (powder?) that is said drug. So any information would be appreciated, sorry if I posted in the wrong place..Im still new.
 
I'm not sure what it looks like either and am curious to know but I hope you're trying to find out so you can avoid it and not because you want to try it bc that shits scary!
 
Got this from a Google image search. Said it was recovered in Arizona I think. I bet it can look different depending on how it's made.

krokodil-russian-flesh-eating-drug.jpg
 
^yea thats what i thought.

tried googling and all that came up was disgusting images of rotting flesh. Why do you want to know what it looks like? I dont think its in the states except for a few oddballs.
 
I was thinking that too. Just knowing what desomorphine looks like isn't going to help because it's the way they make it that makes it so dangerous. Pure desomorphine would look nothing like this crap.

As far as the pic I posted, it could just be tar but, that's the only pic I saw from the search that wasn't people suffering the side effects.
 
Go you guys think it's actually in the states? I read that there hasn't been any positive tests of desomorphine yet
 
I'm sure a couple of weirdos have created it out of curiosity if they wanted to try it or if they just happened to have a bunch of codeine laying around to make it with, but with how cheap and abundant heroin is around here there is no real reason for anyone to waste the time making desomorphine. I wouldn't be worried about accidentally coming across it. The only reason it's so big in eastern Europe/Russia is because heroin isn't so easy to come by and it's expensive, in a lot of places over there you can buy as much codeine over the counter as you want (which along with a few other common ingredients is what they use to make the stuff) so it is much cheaper and easy to get ahold of. Nobody wants that shit here


Kind of like why there is no longer any street amphetamine around like they have in Europe, sure someone could still make some but with all the meth everywhere why anyone bother to go through the extra effort to make a less desirable drug?
 
I was under the impression that it was still in liquid form from then making it, and that's how it's used.
 
^ yea, based on what I read, I pictured it being more of a dark, viscous and syrup like 'liquid'. Pretty much the epitome of something you don't want to go into your body, let alone your fucking vein. As soon as that shit is done to the makers liking, it's going into the syringe and in their vein. It makes me cringe just thinking about it.
 
Yeah maybe having so much cheap and abundant H here in the US is a good thing because it would be ridiculous to bother with krokadil. Btw it's the nastiest shit I've ever heard of, I've seen horrible shit on YouTube about it and can hardly believe anyone does it, fucking nasty!
 
Go you guys think it's actually in the states?
No.
The media always needs a folk-devil. This is a paranoia goldmine; it's an opiate, apparently originated in Russia (OooOoO!) and is like the dope equivalent of shake'n'bake meth.
Aw yeah, and it causes your flesh to rot, apparently (old press mantra "if it bleeds, it leads")

Yeah, it's coming to get us all. Lock away your children. Better stock up on scotch tape ;)
 
im pretty sure in the documentary i watched about it in russia it was like dark red and looked as think as cough syrup fuck that
 
No.
The media always needs a folk-devil. This is a paranoia goldmine; it's an opiate, apparently originated in Russia (OooOoO!) and is like the dope equivalent of shake'n'bake meth.
Aw yeah, and it causes your flesh to rot, apparently (old press mantra "if it bleeds, it leads")

Yeah, it's coming to get us all. Lock away your children. Better stock up on scotch tape ;)
Our government wants us to think that the Russians are getting our kids hooked on it so a new generation of Americans will hate Russia. Maybe they will bring back some old school Cold War propaganda.
 
No.
The media always needs a folk-devil. This is a paranoia goldmine; it's an opiate, apparently originated in Russia (OooOoO!) and is like the dope equivalent of shake'n'bake meth.
Aw yeah, and it causes your flesh to rot, apparently (old press mantra "if it bleeds, it leads")

Yeah, it's coming to get us all. Lock away your children. Better stock up on scotch tape ;)

Well I don't think that we're importing the shit from Russia, if that's what you mean. It's so easy to make that I'd be surprised if it wasn't here to some extent.

Not too long ago we had a poster asking about some dope in Arizona that was dark red in the barrel. Said the dealers were calling it " pigeon blood " iirc. I'm not saying this was the same shit, in fact I hope it wasn't. I just don't think that taking a "it's not going to happen here" attitude is the best course of action. It'd be too easy for someone to make this shit and call it "pigeon blood" (for example) instead of the notorious "krokodil" and sell it as some new kind of tar or ecp or whatever.
 
^ ^ did you not read my post?? Our government is distributing it to the street dealers. I have a whole parinoid conspiracy about it.
 
^ @johnny blue - i think you completely missed the point of my post.
What I'm saying is that it's a media beat-up.

People see something on tv about a foreign place they know nothing about, and a scary "new drug".
Discussion turns to "will it come here?"
This is often subtly - or explicitly - encouraged by media, politicians and the like.

It's a classic "folkdevil" - you know what that is?

Folk devils are a sort of scapegoat or some kind potential 'threat' to society - more commonly people (or groups of people) - but also drugs, anything with a hint of menace (depicted on the tv news with tense sounding scary music) used to create a "moral panic" and strike fear into a population - or at least sections of a population susceptible to such things.
Like, you know - for a long time it was communists, or crack, or militant Islam 'terrorists'

The media - and your more reactionary politicians love this shit.
Anything that creates public apprehension - widespread fear - can be used to control and manipulate people.

Whether it is sucking people into buying more tabloid newspapers (to get updates on the latest scourge/threat/etc) electing "tough on [folk devil]" be it a group of people, an activity, a drug, etc etc - or scaring people into supporting/accepting laws that they would otherwise question or feel violated by (ie sept 11 = patriot act).

Anyway, the idea of "krokodil" being present in the USA is not realistic for a number of reasons.

1. Russia has a lot of heroin/opiate addicts (a lot of Afghanistan's heroin flows easily into Russia
2. Maintenance programs (methadone buprenorphine etc) is illegal in Russia. Addicts - especially those in very poor regions (Russia is a huge country with many economically depressed regions)
3. "Krokodil" is merely a crude, unrefined attempt to make desomorphine out of over-the-counter codeine pills. The horrible effects on users are not from the drug itself, but from the toxic ingredients used in the synthesis (knowledge of which is passed - much like pre-Internet clandestine amphetamine synth recipes). The final product is not cleaned of the corrosive solvents - many of which seem (if memory serves me correctly) to be similar to certain meth recipes. It is almost like an uneducated guess at making stronger dope out of codeine. Why wouldn't this happen in the states?
4. Americans on the whole have better access to information (namely the Internet) and methods for cleaning the final product, precipitating out the desomorphine from the toxic brew would be far more likely to happen (thanks in part to sites like bluelight that enable people to share HR tips on doing an acetone wash or recrystallisation of street drugs, for example. People living in desperate poverty in Russia may not have Internet access - and with the prevailing govt attitudes towards drug users there, Russian language HR info is scarce to non existent as far as I know.
5. Codeine cannot be purchased over the counter in the USA. Why bother with kitchen chemistry when there is a large market (legit Rx and black market for a whole range of opiates/opioids) and some of the cheapest heroin in the Western developed world.

No, I don't think this "drug" is in the USA. I highly doubt it.

I certainly wasn't saying that Russians are importing it - it is made in small batches that are consumed more or less straight away.'
It is not made commercially - it is a really poorly made kitchen synthesis of desomorphine (which in its pure, untainted form is a legitimate opiate; a stronger version of morphine (like heroin is).
But desomorphine is not Krokodil; it's like calling pharmaceutical grade Methedrine "shake and bake meth". Same active drug - but the home-made version also has impurities (which is what causes Krokodil to cause such harm.

In mentioning the Russians and so on i was being facetious, listing all of the classic media scare elements to the story: hard drugs, Russians (remember the Cold War?) and the similarity with notorious small scale meth manufacture techniques.

For many reasons - as I listed above - the United States is not conducive to having a problem with this drug.
The only reason people are aware of it is because it got a lot of media attention.
But US opiate users have access to much better drugs than these impoverished Russians - and the main source of the opiates in Krokodil - OTC codeine - not available OTC in the states

Some north american home chemist may have made synthed desomorphine at one time or another - but if they were enterprising or ambitious enough to do so, they were more than likely educated and aware of how to clean up the final product.
This isn't the case in Russia (and places in Eastern Europe where Krokodil has been reported) - the instructions for making the stuff are crude and passed by word of mouth and users teaching one another.

There is no need to panic - I was being sarcastic. :)
What I was getting at is that the media/politicins/LE boneheads plant the seeds in people's mind that - like crack or other drug epidemics - "it will come here".
Highly; highly unlikely.
It is a media hype plain and simple; a gruesome story at best (that reinforces the drug war message "drugs will fuck you up so much you won't care") and scaremongering at worst - with reports of it being found I'm certain places.
It is a drug users make for themselves - not a commercial, large scale drug.

Rest easy, this folk devil is storm in a...teaspoon.
Beware though - the media want you to be scared. Seems like Krokodil is the least of US heroin users' worries at the moment with all the fentanyl (or analogue thereof) cut dope doing the rounds.
Stay safe - but don't believe the hype!
 
The question was "do you think it's in the states?" And you answered "no".

I answered with a sentence and a short anecdote. If you want to believe for any reason that the drug isn't here then fine. Thanks for the lecture on folk devils but, I think it's a safer bet to believe, however unlikely that the drug is here to some extent.

You don't have to but, we're here to to find out what this shit looks like and whatever else we can. This is how a lot of the info you talked about in #4 starts. Someone asks a question. We don't just dismiss everything because it's impossible or unlikely.
 
Well I don't think that we're importing the shit from Russia, if that's what you mean. It's so easy to make that I'd be surprised if it wasn't here to some extent.
I assumed from your reply that you didnt understand my post; I meant the opposite of this ^
It is extremely unlikely to be sold on the black market - especially in the USA.
I could have been less verbose but I wanted to make myself clear.
No 'lecture' intended; I assumed the question of what "Krokodil" looks like had been answered (ie liquid solution).
Querying a drug's appearance indicates some kind of concern about being sold the stuff unwittingly; highly unlikely in the US of A in my opinion. Forget Krokodil; beware fentanyl.
I hope you're trying to find out so you can avoid it and not because you want to try it bc that shits scary!
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go take LSD and turn into a glass of orange juice
 
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