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What do pharmacists see when you purchase codeine OTC

I do got a brita filter.

It would be cool if you could use a filter for the whole process.

The main thing about CWE is that it is a pain in the ass. I suppose if you have a shitload of pills you want to do at once and room in the freezer then yeah its no big deal but I usually only have room to do about 20-30 pills in a go so that makes enough for a day or two I suppose. I probably still use other pain pills iv but that is me.
 
In qld where I used to live they always asked for ID for virtually all schedule 3 drugs.

Indeed I was some what surprised. Many years ago when I used to do alot of codeine. I would hit up several chemists in NSW without any problem. I'd always say it was for the SO and that the dr recommended x for migraines. Same way with the rikodene....the key was to always mispronounce the product name whilst referring to a DR and advising you were gettin it for a sick SO...act absent minded and confused.

However in QLD despite being suited up, utterly sick with a flu and and with a script I was still asked ID and looked at with utter contempt and suspicions. This despite being looking like an utter corporate stooge, short haircut, clean shaven and all and yet they still acted like i was a junkie. QLD people are mighty suspicious and harsh on drug users. I get it that the Valley is filled with users but come one.....just coz the office was next to fortitude valley doesn't mean everyone who goes to the chemist is a drug user.

Though i did pop the fuck out of that box of panadeine forte.


I do got a brita filter.

It would be cool if you could use a filter for the whole process.

The main thing about CWE is that it is a pain in the ass. I suppose if you have a shitload of pills you want to do at once and room in the freezer then yeah its no big deal but I usually only have room to do about 20-30 pills in a go so that makes enough for a day or two I suppose. I probably still use other pain pills iv but that is me.

Its one of the core reasons why i gave up codeine - the CWE process is so hit and miss. In fact the last time I ever did it I thought I had fucked it up and was dying from liver failure. About 24 hours after I had done it I started passing out. At the kitchen table, couch. Where i was I couldn't keep myself awake. I had a pain on my right side/flank and I felt sick and uneasy. A few other symptoms and ten minutes on the fucking internet and I thought I was dying.

i ended up in hospital, a dozen tests later they had no idea and set me home after giving me a bunch more APAP. At least it wasn't liver failure. I later discovered I had come down with glandular fever which in your late 20s is utterly completely insane. Like its the only illness that can overnight turn you into a 90 year old and keep you that way for 3 months.

Anyway after that I decided it wasn't worth the risk of liver failure.....seeing that a percentage of the APAP always slips through. And besides codeine is boring compared to oxy or heroin. far better drugs out there.
 
I had glandular fever when i was 28 or 29 - it's not that uncommon. Sounds like a coincidence that you intially attributed to codeine use.
Having said that all opiate dependence will compromise your immune system eventually.

There has a huge amount of debate over the years in AusDD's various CWE threads regarding the relative safety (or otherwise) of cold water extractions and the health implications of ingesting unknown amounts of paracetamol or ibubrofen over extended periods of time.

Truth is though, it is much safer to do a CWE than to ingest liver-destroying amounts of paracetamol.
Is it 100% safe? Probably not.

But in Australia it is looking like federal legislation might make this discussion somewhat redundant in the not-too-distant future anyway.
 
I agree about better drugs and all but I try to take some of the weaker and cheaper stuff just so I feel ok and I load up on some weak pills orally before I do a shot so it will last longer.

I say if all you got is a shitty opiate, it is probably better than nothing at all.

Getting dope sick fucking sucks. I would never go for a lopermide habit. I do have some standards in life.
 
Loperamide habit? Unless I'm misreading something in your post or am completely misinformed, wtf is a loperamide habit. Loperamide doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, it shouldn't be able to get you high.
 
I purchased some nurofen plus last week and then 3 days later I was visiting a friend in a town 2 hours away from where I had purchased it, I needed to buy some more because I didn't bring it with me, and the pharmacist refused my sale. She said that it was recorded as being sold to me only three days prior.
So the pharmacies in Victoria are somehow linked up. These were two different store chains. Does anyone have any info on how this computer system works? I feel like I have a right to know who has access to my details that the pharmacist has but at the same time I felt really judged by the ladies behind the counter and so didn't ask them any questions about it. I was quite embarrassed and just left.
 
Loperamide habit? Unless I'm misreading something in your post or am completely misinformed, wtf is a loperamide habit. Loperamide doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, it shouldn't be able to get you high.

It seemed to be all the rage on opiophile. Lope and miralax that is as a means to not get dopesick. So basically people take it in huge quantities to avoid heroin/methadone level withdrawal.

People do it. Some people swear if they take enough they get high. It does make you feel better to take lope as directed during wds.
 
Hi, this is my first post since actually joining, but I've been a reader for many years.

Currently, if you purchase a codeine containing product OTC, the pharmacist is obliged to record your name and address and dispense the product with a label. It is not mandatory to view ID however some pharmacists do ask so that people can't use a different name everywhere they go.

Hope this helps! ��
 
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Hi, this is my first post since actually joining, but I've been a reader for many years.

I'm a pharmacist in Australia. There is no "linked" database for codeine sales, and codeine is still available OTC. The Advisory Committee on Medicines Scheduling (ACMS) has recommended removing codeine-containing medications from OTC sales, making codeine only available on prescription in Australia.

The PROPOSED date for implementation is 1 June 2016.

Currently, if you purchase a codeine containing product OTC, the pharmacist is obliged to record your name and address and dispense the product with a label. It is not mandatory to view ID however some pharmacists do ask so that people can't use a different name everywhere they go.

Hope this helps! ?

thank you
 
I think my post randomly disappeared but here in NZ do not sign up to the Living Rewards card, it records your sale and date and is shared between Unichem, Life Pharmacy and Amcal. Weird part is it doesnt list the store. It nearly got me caught this weekend o.o

When a Pharmacist gets all weird how it can lead to addiction I just laugh, I had to go to the A&E for infected wisdom tooth pain and I left with 200 30mg Codeine on its own yet trying to buy a box of 30 12.8mg can be tough sometimes. I find dressing nicely gets me fewer questions but after doing this so long I cant keep track of different names/address I make up :/
 
Also I had CADs deny me Suboxone taper after they told me I was a perfect candidate.
 
Hi, this is my first post since actually joining, but I've been a reader for many years.

I'm a pharmacist in Australia. There is no "linked" database for codeine sales, and codeine is still available OTC. The Advisory Committee on Medicines Scheduling (ACMS) has recommended removing codeine-containing medications from OTC sales, making codeine only available on prescription in Australia.

The PROPOSED date for implementation is 1 June 2016.

Currently, if you purchase a codeine containing product OTC, the pharmacist is obliged to record your name and address and dispense the product with a label. It is not mandatory to view ID however some pharmacists do ask so that people can't use a different name everywhere they go.

Hope this helps! ��

Thanks for that. However, I know that databases are, in fact, linked up. I have been refused codeine several times because I had purchased earlier from an unrelated store. At a large discount warehouse I was refused "in accordance to project stop". I believe some pharamacies are recording codeine sales via the pseudoephedrine registry. I really questioned the pharmacist as I felt that was a breach of my privacy, sharing my personal shopping habits (replete with metadata) without my knowledge. He dismissed me (as a junky I suppose).

Personally, I get ID'ed quite often. I usually refuse and go elsewhere. I've mentioned that I've lost my license, and so have submitted fake details on several occaisions. For simplicity, I used the same name and even that name was eventually 'banned' at unrelated businesses.

I live in Victoria.
 
Thanks for that. However, I know that databases are, in fact, linked up. I have been refused codeine several times because I had purchased earlier from an unrelated store. At a large discount warehouse I was refused "in accordance to project stop". I believe some pharamacies are recording codeine sales via the pseudoephedrine registry. I really questioned the pharmacist as I felt that was a breach of my privacy, sharing my personal shopping habits (replete with metadata) without my knowledge. He dismissed me (as a junky I suppose).

I live in Victoria.

They could be outright lying to you. I know Chemist Warehouse share your information between all their stores. I was told of the 3 other stores I had visited recently when trying to buy. I agree with you & maybe that pharmacist can comment. It does seem like an ethical & privacy breach. They cover themselves by pretending they have the information via Project Stop & not their own store linked database.
 
Perhaps the pharmacies are not officially connected to others via a program that records sales of codeine containing products, but it is definitely happening. If it is connected via the pseudo Project Stop I don't understand how that is actually ethical, and not a breach of privacy. If Project Stop already had the green light to be used in this way, then why would there be such a debate to make panadeine/nurofen plus a script only product, or talk of implementing a system in the style of Project Stop but for codeine related products, and possibly also drugs that are schedule 8? Wouldn't it just be common knowledge that it is happening? There are also signs posted inside pharmacies advising customers about what happens when you purchase pseudoephedrine, ie, info is stored in a database which is nationwide etc. There are posters which state that recording of names for purchases of codeine related products occurs, but there is no information available as to what happens with this data.
I do not use fake names, I always show my licence, and I am quite annoyed that my name and address is shared without my knowledge or consent to others. I do not live in a large city, and therefore I am not anonymous at my local chemist. I also know that there are staff at my local chemist who are gossipers, and it pisses me off to know that if I choose to shop elsewhere, they will still be able to view my name, address and purchase history. I'd like to know what else is recorded, the pharmacist will ask me why I require such drugs, and I will give an honest answer, I hope that they don't record that on there too. I work in the medical industry and I know that it is unlawful to share information about a patient with ANYONE, without official written consent. So if there is anyone out there who understands this please share your knowledge.
 
Hi, this is my first post since actually joining, but I've been a reader for many years.

I'm a pharmacist in Australia. There is no "linked" database for codeine sales, and codeine is still available OTC. The Advisory Committee on Medicines Scheduling (ACMS) has recommended removing codeine-containing medications from OTC sales, making codeine only available on prescription in Australia.

The PROPOSED date for implementation is 1 June 2016.

Currently, if you purchase a codeine containing product OTC, the pharmacist is obliged to record your name and address and dispense the product with a label. It is not mandatory to view ID however some pharmacists do ask so that people can't use a different name everywhere they go.

Hope this helps! ?

Thank you so much for this. I'm trying to get off it all together.
 
I would recommend people with an interest in this thread and the topic of codeine rescheduling check out the survey linked here.
 
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-2017-after-ruling-delay-20151119-gl2yld.html

Common painkillers such as Panadeine and Nurofen Plus will be available over the counter for another year, after the Australian drug regulator was inundated by submissions from people opposed to the idea.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration last month made an interim decision that about 150 codeine products should not be available over the counter at pharmacies after next June. It said codeine was increasingly being abused and that reducing the pack size and drug labelling would not be enough to combat problems of misuse and dependence.

The regulator was expected to deliver its final ruling in late November but said on Thursday that this would not happen until June, due to what a spokesman called the "unusually large" number of submissions it had received.
The Therapeutic Goods Administration has delayed a decision on whether common painkillers such as Nurofen Plus should continue to be available over the counter.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration has delayed a decision on whether common painkillers such as Nurofen Plus should continue to be available over the counter.

Most of the 127 submissions on the interim ruling (113) were against the proposed change.

A representative of the Department of Health's secretary Martin Bowles said: "The deferral of a decision will allow the submissions and the subsequent information provided to be thoroughly considered."

Any decision to make the drugs prescription only would not happen before 2017. Medicines affected include Codral Original Cold and Flu tablets, Aspalgin Soluble tablets and a number of cough medications that can currently be bought at chemists.

Those opposed to the proposal argued that consumers could self-manage their pain and that pharmacists were qualified to manage the risk of abuse or misuse of the drugs. Some said there was no evidence of harm, abuse or dependency with codeine that contained cold and flu preparations. They also said the change would not resolve abuse of prescribed codeine.

Some of the ruling's supporters shared their personal stories of family members who had been addicted to codeine or abused over-the-counter analgesics and cough syrups. They also said there were alternative medicines that were also effective.

Research published in the Medical Journal of Australia last month found that codeine-related deaths had more than doubled between 2000 and 2009, from 3.5 to 8.7 per million.

The study by the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre at the University of NSW analysed more than 1000 deaths from the National Coronial Information System. Most codeine-related deaths between 2000 and 2013 were caused by a combination of drugs, including anti-depressants, alcohol and paracetamol, it found.

Senior researcher Amanda Roxburgh, who led the research, said that if more codeine products required a prescription, "there's an opportunity for health professionals to identify what the risks would be". While pharmacists were qualified to do this, she said this could stigmatise patients in a public setting.

Ms Roxburgh said more measures than the TGA's proposal were needed to help people more effectively manage chronic pain and reduce the risk that they would abuse or misuse painkillers. This included increasing people's access to specialist programs for pain management and substance dependence, which had long waiting lists.

Some of the deaths she studied were intentional. More than half of the people had suffered mental health problems, and one third having a history of chronic pain, she said, and some also had a history of substance abuse.

The Australian Medical Association and the Australian College of General Practitioners have backed the proposed change, with the college saying it could save lives. But the Pharmacy Guild of Australia believes it is unlikely to curb addiction and could disadvantage the majority who used the drugs safely.





I'am in shock that this has been pushed back.. power to the people
 
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