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what do do if u draw back plunger & theres no blood?

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onlyone3232

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just new to shooting up
when ive done it a few times ive drawn back the plunger to see if im in a vein & no blood has entered the needle & was wondering if u have to push back down the plunger to get rid of the air that enders instead of blood before trying for a differen vein?

I also have no idea how to know if uve shot into an artery

thanks
 
Don't inject it until you see the blood come into the barrel. If you pull back and see air like you are describing, you are not in a vein. It does however create a vacuum, so once you enter a vein the blood should pour in right away. Perhaps you aren't deep enough.
 
^That whole thread is full of good info. Post one addresses a lot of the basic info.

You want there to be blood when you pull back... If there's not, you're not entirely in the vein (likely to the side or above/ below) You don't have to get the air out necessarily but it's worth doing if there is quite a bit of excess air. If you get the vacuum concept, it's helpful to do it this way.

You will feel pain and the blood will enter much more quickly if you hit an artery vs a vein. If you're shooting in logical (elbow/ forearm) veins though there shouldn't be much of a worry of hitting an artery.
 
yeah the 2nd question is answered there avoid where there's a pulse.

the first question is kinda answered. its says not to worry to much about air in the needle.

just wondering still weather to worry about the air that enters the needle when u pull back the plunger to check for blood & its not a vein.
 
^That whole thread is full of good info. Post one addresses a lot of the basic info.

You want there to be blood when you pull back... If there's not, you're not entirely in the vein (likely to the side or above/ below) You don't have to get the air out necessarily but it's worth doing if there is quite a bit of excess air. If you get the vacuum concept, it's helpful to do it this way.

You will feel pain and the blood will enter much more quickly if you hit an artery vs a vein. If you're shooting in logical (elbow/ forearm) veins though there shouldn't be much of a worry of hitting an artery.

ok well ive only been doing it at elbow/forearm.
yeah but have missed quite a few times & have just been worried abut the little bit of air from pulling back to see if im in a vein when i try for another. maybe i should push the plunger back down to try to get out the air. im not sure.
 
just wondering still weather to worry about the air that enters the needle when u pull back the plunger to check for blood & its not a vein.
Pretty much all of the air will be replaced by the blood.
 
Injecting a tiny amount of air is not the worst thing you can do while injecting, many IVers painstakingly make sure they get every last tiny bubble out as if their life depended on it (probably think this via junkie lore, which is totally untrue) whilst totally neglecting far more important sanitary requirements such as using a fresh rig each time, using a clean cooker and distilled water, cleaning the site of injection with an alcohol swab first, etc. (hopefully you are doing as many of these things as possible). To be clear, in order to kill yourself with air you would need to inject quite a lot, my paramedic friend said he was told 1ml of air would be enough to kill somebody (that's a full insulin syringe). To be safe I'd reduce this to 0.25ml, but a little bubble? Not much of a concern though I still feel it's a good idea to get it out before trying to register again (what's the harm, right?).

If you have shot into an artery, you will know! It will hurt very bad in your hand/wrist (if you are injecting into your arm). The trick is to not ever hit an artery because it is not only very painful, but very, very dangerous! Arteries tend to be much deeper than veins as they are far more vital, you wouldn't want to be dying from scraping your arm so evolution has taken care of this for us, luckily. But once veins near the surface become more scarce people find themselves digging. If you have visible veins they appear green, sometimes blue-ish and are just below the skin (sometimes bulge out in some areas if you're lucky as I am). Arteries would appear red or pink if you could see them, but you shouldn't be able to see an artery. So always try to stay as close to the skin surface as possible when choosing a vein and injecting, don't go digging. I've also heard that if you are in an artery, and when you pull back, instead of the blood coming in as a smooth red streak and somewhat thick it will be more pinkish and bubbly. If your blood comes in looking like this, definitely don't inject as you're almost certainly in an artery (luckily I've never been able to confirm or deny this as I've never so much as registered in an artery, let alone inject into one).

Finally, be safe and read as much as you can. Try not to miss any shots, it's a real pain, I've only IVed 20 or so times, and I've missed twice. Not a track record I'm proud of, lol. But I become very impatient and don't like poking myself with needles plus I always register the first time (and even when I've missed I've registered, but have only been just in I suppose) so this makes me a bit over-confident and if I register at all I declare myself in and go for it. If it is harder than usual to push down the plunger, don't hesitate to remove the syringe and re-register. It will save you a lot of grief being patient (and you'll get a good rush every time, no rush when you miss a shot). If you do miss you'll know as there will be no rush, the area will feel a bit burning/stinging and sensitive, warmer than normal and probably have some lump bigger than normal. Immediately put some Polysporin on (you should be doing this everytime to help heal your tracks anyways and avoid complications) and give it a damn good massage. If lucky you will still get a fairly good buzz from the IM injection if you're massaging hard enough. After 20 minutes of good massaging apply heat for 30 minutes and do this 3-4 times a day until things have cleared up. Also apply Polysporin 2-3 times a day and massage the area. If you develop a hard lump under the skin which sticks around for several days, or if your arm still hurts after 4-7 days get yourself to a clinic or the hospital (this depends on severity of pain and if you perceive it as getting better with each day, if things are improving and there's less pain each day then hold off, but if there's no improvement or things are getting worse then don't hesitate, abscesses can be very dangerous if left untreated for too long and get badly infected).
 
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ok well it seems like there has to be alot of air in the needle before i have to worry anyway.
just wanted to know what's common practice.
i dunno what happens if ya inject to much air.
 
Common practice would be to take the syringe out and push the air out until the first bit of liquid bubbles appear, expelling most of the air and only losing a tiny bit of your dose. This isn't medically necessary but it is what most people do. Medically speaking that tiny bit of air isn't going to harm you, but most people just don't like the idea of injecting air into themselves (I personally don't, even though I know it's technically safe I always try to make sure there's as little air as possible). If you inject too much air this is what happens:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_embolism

and it ain't pretty, so never inject A LOT of air. Anything over 0.25ml is basically playing with your life and probably simply not 'good' for you even if it doesn't cause an air embolism. But small bubbles are nothing to be overly concerned with (though a lot of people will tell you otherwise and always fret over getting that tiny amount of air out whilst neglecting far more important things to be concerned with whilst shooting).

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Your syringe counts up to 100 units being full, right? It's 1ml.
 
yeah it counts to 100 units. it's also been used quite a few times i should really get another one if i wanna do it again. i shouldnt be playing around in the first place.
 
Answered and closed.

If you can't register blood, you shouldn't (and wouldn't be) IV'ing ;).

The air creates a vacuum and when you hit the vein BOOM blood.

~Closed.
 
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