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What aspects of the atheist religion do you like/dislike?

Ein-2765 said:
But that's not what the Bible (or any religious text, for that matter) was intended for. It certainly was meant to be seen as the literal word of God, and that "truth" was propagated for hundreds and hundreds of years (in fact, it still is). It was only until the advent of science and reason that people started to become aware of the universe around them, and began to question the veracity of religious texts.

This is why atheists attack literalist views of religious texts, and don't ever bring up people who "feel" the Bible or whatnot. Because if the Bible really isn't the word of God, then everything in it is discredited. You can't just pick and choose what is true and what isn't. Either all of it is true, or none of it is.

Also, I find most of those books to very disgusting and hateful. Calling them a "projection of experiences" that might help us "accept the universe" sounds rather crap to me.
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I dub thee the blahh-er of all blahs. You happy now?

And I'm not rejecting just this quoted text, but that's all I felt like rejecting directly.
 
hiphophippy said:
So many atheist are just anti-christian. That's the first problem I have

but also there is the paramount. When an athies is widdled down to the core they say that a christian can not explain where god came from before the universe. The problem with that is that science can not prove where the energy that takes the form of matter at the moment came from either. It just existed. So it's somewhat of a paradox to say that God cannot exist because no one knows where he came from because that would me we don't existe because we don't know where the energy that exists in the universe came from
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i like this guy...
its true, in my atheist and agnostic days of front, this is how i thought...
;-)
 
hiphophippy said:
So many atheist are just anti-christian. That's the first problem I have

but also there is the paramount. When an athies is widdled down to the core they say that a christian can not explain where god came from before the universe. The problem with that is that science can not prove where the energy that takes the form of matter at the moment came from either. It just existed. So it's somewhat of a paradox to say that God cannot exist because no one knows where he came from because that would me we don't existe because we don't know where the energy that exists in the universe came from
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we have two options.

1) atheist/agnostic: matter was already here because we're made of matter... we're like a fish studying the ocean and wondering what else might be out there, and wondering where all this water came from. we accept the uncertainty.

2) christian: a soldier-god* decided to create matter so that we can exist.

well, when you put it that way... :/

* exodus 15.3, the Lord is a Man of war
 
paranoid android said:
I wouldn't consider atheism a religion at all or atleast i don't think of it as such. I just have not seen any existence of a god so why should i base any of my beliefs on a figure that does not exist? That's pretty much how i look at the whole thing.
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I would the giveaway is the fervour & zeal with which some believers ( bear in mind no cast iron scientific proofs exist either way) publically conduct their beseechings to the ignorant uninformed & willfully perverse folk who aren't minded to agree with them.
I don't know I don't care - my work is simply to concentrate on doing better at being me not wandering around finding axes to grind for who knows what purpose - tho I confess I do that on occassion.
 
You've got to admit, the team-ish, unified front sort of image that the New Atheists have tried to cop, while good for publicity and impact, hinders their case that they're not just another religion (which I think is true).
 
That's not what I meant. I wasn't trying to beg a question. What I meant is it is futile to argue about it because no one knows. It's also arrogant as a human to declare one as side as true or that you know. No one on earth is a god and no one knows if any exist or not.
 
I forget which organization it was but the placed anti-Christian billboards on the side of the turnpike. Which I wouldn't have any problem with except for the fact that they were just blatantly offensive. Not only does that mean that they most likely didn't do anything but reinforce peoples beliefs and give a bad name to atheists.

And once again most atheist I know and have ever met were just anti-Christians. And I do not usually see them targeting Judaism or Islam. That makes (not all) a lot of them collectively a hate group. Which I have a problem with.
 
It's hard to judge that as presumably you like me live in a first world country. Seeing as christianity is the state religion, so to speak, it's natural that atheists will attack the nearest religion with the greatest ferocity - yet another religious cultural trait - they are maybe the worst of all religious are the scientific religious.
If they would but stick to saying there are no proofs for god but there are no proofs against god I could live with that BUT they try to gain credibility using peoples belief in science which is a wilful misrepresentation. I concede that some religious ideas are ridiculous & have no place in the modern world but to attempt to tear down the entire religious structure is a kind of attempt at cultural genocide by the Newest Religion & those High Priests they want power & recognition so much they seem blinded to their own shortcomings as measured ( or not measured) by science.
 
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Okay, first off I am not anti-Christian. I am anti-Christianity. There is a difference. I hate the ideas, not the people. That said, I am also anti-Islam, anti-Jewish, anti-Mormon, anti-Buddhist, and basically anti anything that relies on faith and not fact.

However, in the short term, I really don't see most of those as a problem. While I do despise a lot of what Christianity is about, it isn't my main focus. Islam is. I think we can all agree that Islam is the main religious problem we face today, because it is still stuck in the Dark Ages. Christianity has more or less been tamed by modernism. I mean, you don't see Christians taking slaves anymore, or burning people at the stake, or claiming whole swaths of land in the name of their Lord. But Islam still does, and its ideas about freedom and equality are all but nonexistent.

As for the proof or not of the existence of God, I deny his (or her) existence because there is no proof in his (or her) favor, so why should there be a 50-50 chance that I am right or wrong? I mean, you don't see people go around saying "just because there is no proof, doesn't mean the teapot or the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist. You could be wrong. They might just exist".

There is no proof, so therefore there is no logical reason to even contemplate whether it/they/he/she exists at all. I don't waste my time worrying about it. Of course, I cam agnostic to the idea. Obviously you cannot prove 100% that there is no god. But I hate the term agnostic, and all of the wishy-washy, non-commitment that goes with it.

My main problem with religion isn't with God, but with the fact that so many people believe and sometimes dedicate their lives to things that have absolutely no basis in fact, and can therefore not be verified. There is no sane reason to believe lies.

Also, the difference between science and faith (if it must be reiterated again) is that religion is based on false-truths and lies, while science is based on the best knowledge known to man, and is constantly changing and evolving; something that faith and religion consistently show it is unable to do.

And I find religion far more arrogant than science, because it claims things no human can possibly know. It bans and condemns freethought and ingenuity, and rewards obedience and servitude.
 
Nothing I said was ever a personal attack directed at you. It was a social observation based on evidence I have collected from many of my atheist friends, so called atheist I have talked to and other atheist I have had discussions with.

But, try this on for size. If there is no spirit or rather if you want to think about everything from a purely scientific standpoint; Free will is an illusion, you don't make any choices and your entire destiny is already decide regardless of what you do.
 
hiphophippy said:
Nothing I said was ever a personal attack directed at you. It was a social observation based on evidence I have collected from many of my atheist friends, so called atheist I have talked to and other atheist I have had discussions with.

But, try this on for size. If there is no spirit or rather if you want to think about everything from a purely scientific standpoint; Free will is an illusion, you don't make any choices and your entire destiny is already decide regardless of what you do.
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So you admit that your post was generalized and unfounded?

As for your challenge, I'm really not sure what you're asking. Are you wondering if I believe in free will or fate?

If so, here's my answer.

There certainly are things that are out of our control and that we have no impact on whatsoever (race, genetics, intelligence, place of birth, family status and wealth, etc.), but ultimately in what we do on a day-to-day basis and how we live our lives, we definitely do have the final say. To a certain extent, you can do whatever that hell you want, be it making a career in sports, creating a successful company, or doing absolutely nothing. And honestly, I don't care what people do, so long as it is consensual and doesn't hurt or effect anyone against their will.
 
And once again most atheist I know and have ever met were just anti-Christians. And I do not usually see them targeting Judaism or Islam. That makes (not all) a lot of them collectively a hate group. Which I have a problem with.
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atheists discuss christianity so often because so many atheists come from christian areas, making christianity's particular issues the important ones to address. if america was islamic, here is what you would have written: "And once again most atheist I know and have ever met were just anti-muslim."

ask almost any atheist, and they'll probably say it's religion or organized religion itself, not christianity, that they have a problem with.
That makes (not all) a lot of them collectively a hate group. Which I have a problem with.
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you can dislike an institution or a belief without disliking the individuals that are a part of that institution or hold that belief.
 
I would the giveaway is the fervour & zeal with which some believers
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how about the fervor and zeal of MADD (mothers against drunk driving) or any other group that believes it is trying to cure a social ill? like MADD, the anti-religious group has many individuals directly harmed by what they're fighting against.

churches haven't only used their power for good, and they have some inhumane methods of holding onto their power. it's only natural that people react.
 
I say in my post, which you partially quoted, that some beliefs & practices are clearly wrong & have no place in the modern world. My point is that science is used as an argument for atheism, atheists would like to see religion outlawed or destroyed, when science produces the abombinations of chemical biological & nuclear weaponry no one suggests we scrap the scientific method do they ?
Personally I think science & those who misuse it to further their own blinkered beliefs is probably potentially much more dangerous than religion.
This discussion is related to MDAOs thread on the trinity of commerce,state & religion I think.


Summary - would the world be better without religion - in some ways yes in others probably not.
Would the world be better off without science - in some ways yes in others perhaps not - do you think I've missed a trick ?
 
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You need to calm down. I came and shared my opinion. Which was based on the people I've met an the theologies that they've held. So yes it was generalized but its foundation is just as founded and general as any observation you could make about any religion.

and no, if you want to come a form a purely scientific standpoint all existence is pre determined. Meaning everything you do and every thing you ever will do, everything thing that ever happened to you and everything that ever will was dictated since the big bang. Since all energy shot out in specific vectors, that means that all energy ended up collecting in spots where the vectors of their launch dictated that they would end up. Tha t in turn means all the hydrogen tha made stars and what not formed in places that were pre-determined. those stares grew and died at rates that were pre determined based on how much hydrogen was there. that means that they matter that was forged inn the stars was already predetermined. That matter flew around in space based on vectors it gained form the star collapsing. based on those vectors subtenances come together and make bigger clumps of matter. Fast forward this to earth. All mater ended up where it would be then animals evolve from it. animals brains are machines made of matter that store an electrical charge. that electricity is transmuted by neurons which are made of mater and effected by different chemicals. ANd that means that free will is an illusion and everything that ever happens was pre-determined at the start of the universe. because everything is going where it was pre determined to go and everything you do is based on your experiences plus whatever chemicals are in your brain at one moment, there is an illusion of choice but seeing as your brain is made of matter and energy it is going to react in a scientifically calculable way. (not calculable to humans but calculable no the less)

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( y.-) I was talking about the scores of atheist where I live. And yes that would be my statement if most of america was Muslim. I've never known an atheist who has demonstrated against Buddhists or any Buddhist institution. I've never know an atheist that has demonstrated against satanism. I've never met an atheist who has gone against a native american tribe, in fact i know a few who fought for their religious right to kill whales where I live. Atheist against skih or Islam.


All of which are heavily prevalent in my area. In fact most atheists I HAVE known have barely known a lick of any religious philosophy beyond Christianity. A lot of them did not even know that Islam and Christianity are related. What would you say if I continually talked shit about your race (relative to the ambiguity of institution) disregarding all and any positive things they may have contributed. Would the excuse oh I only talk shit about (your race) because they are the most prevalent in society work for you?

If most atheists are not collectively demonstrating against all religions in a balanced manner then they are "hating."
 
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