it's obvious to me that increasing tolerance to dissos worsens the afterglow and abstaining for longer periods of time makes for a lot better experience.
I believe using benzos/z-drugs as a sleep aid hinders and impedes the afterglow, especially if its on more energetic and hypomanic side. Does anyone else have experience with this?
Yes and yes, in my experience also. Unfortunately I'm not in the best place psychologically and basically can't or refuse to deal with unpleasant, sleepless aftermath without a hypnotic sedative.
But for sure, worsening affereffects is a sure sign of overuse. That said I never got a great afterglow from any incapacitating dissociative, really. DCK I thought I did sometimes but actually I think that was just the deceptively long lasting tail of that particular drug.
The day after a solid K binge these days I usually feel completely wiped out and in need of a benzo... But then I am doing too many benzos and too much amphetamine recently so that doesn't help. Actually session 1 K binge of approx 600mg or so after 4 months near total sobriety and 6 months plus from any dissociatives was not noticeably unpleasant, if a little scattered. My next attempt a few weeks later was noticeably worse.
- *PCP analogs provide calmness and anxiety free, but can make me emotional numb (yet interestingly sociable, presumably from SRI?)
- 3-MEO-PCE improves mood and positivity if i'm not mistaken
- MXiPr and DMXE are both hypomanic, DMXE more so.
- I'm not sure i noticed next-day afterglow with DCK or HXE, however that might because of other reasons and drug use.
The PCP analogues in my limited experience DO have afterglows which are incongruent with the at best just strange and at worst just unpleasant nature of the experience. I base this assessment on a few of my very first dabblings with this class, 3-MeO-PCP, where I was not so into just benzoing away any unpleasantness, and despite feeling I reached the limit of my dosage range at 15mg where I was overcome with a harrowing sense of not being sure where "I" was, while being aware of SOMETHING thinking my thoughts and choosing my actions (retrospective answer - nowhere! The self is an illusion
)... The next day despite not feeling particularly socially inclined I I had a date planned which went fantastically well, and I couldn't imagine this being the case in the scattered aftermath of a K binge.
I've also had the we experience a few times of getting to a really nice place on just the right dose of 3-HO-PCP or 3-MeO-PCE, and then while basking in the afterglow just trashing it by deciding to add another dissociative of a different kind... Usually ketamine.
DCK IMO again - any perceived afterglow is illusory because it actually just lasts such a long time after the primary effects have faded. So this afterglow is in fact a residual light dissociation.
MXE is pretty hit and miss for me. Actually diphenidine, interestingly, also gave me a very pleasant afterglow bordering on mania to the point I considered selling almost all my furniture and replacing my entire floor space with foam tiles for exercise and bean bags for hippie style relaxing. I'm not sure how functional it was but it didn't feel bad. Ephenidine on the other hand - the sedating end of the phenidine class - did not give me an afterglow, if anything quite the opposite. So in my experience - there does seem a weird correlation between afterglow quality and the level of stimulation provided by the dissociative in question.
Actually thinking about it... With K, my favourite way to poison myself, I think actually what gives me the largest negatives nowadays is K holing. If I have a short session of functionally stimulating bumps - while I couldn't definitively say I get an afterglow, the aftermath is not too bad. I guess thinking about it that's kind of obvious. Maybe it's a factor with the highly psychotogenic dissociatives that most people just don't dose particularly high which at least partially accounts for the more pleasant aftereffects. I can imagine a megadose of any PCP analogue being more likely to induce an "aftershade" in the aftermath...
i'll give you my 2 cents:
Benzos do help for that definitely. But in the absence of that, so does alcohol, which is also lightly dissociative. But alcohol is such a dirty drug I try to avoid. I just bring this all up because I was just up for 2 days on speed and after finally putting it away I ended up just drinking 3 beers when multiple different types of benzo spread out over a few hours did not seem to be doing what I wanted. Of course... Sleep was what I really needed by then. Not more drugs.