What are your favorite eras of hip hop?

captainballs

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I'm probably one of the few here who will admit to classifying more than one era of hip hop as a golden age. I think it continues to ebb and flow, producing golden ages of different flavors.

First, for me, was the period of 1993-1996, during which the Wu Tang Clan created an atmosphere that was so layered and full of characters akin to comic book lore that still maintained a dirty edge that was well-connected to the admitted commercialism and prevalence of violence and crime. Characters like Chef Raekwon, Method Man, and Ghostface Killah were as heavy to me as any classic superheroes, with just as much material hidden in their lyrics. The production by the RZA opened up doors that were connected to something both new and timeless at the same time, which is probably why it resonated so well with someone whose parents were psychedelic-eating counter-culture hippies. There was something in the RZA's orchestrations that touched the unexplored regions of the brain in a revolutionary way, and he was surrounded by rappers who knew how to float along that wave and make it rise even higher with their almost mythological rhymes.

There was a lull between 1996 and 2001 during which it seemed like the amount of people willing to really put something out there in the hip hop community was dwindling. Even rappers who had deep thoughts were resigned to only giving us a hint of what was inside, mostly because the game had turned into a rough sport full of well-funded and talented armies, the goal of which seemed to take care of themselves financially over anything else.

During this time, you had rappers like Jay Z who can be seen actively hiding his deeper rhymes and thoughts due to commercial pressures, although the one or two lines per album which transcended space and time basically made him worth the entire price of every CD he put out at the time. Jay Z's era, which I really define as between the years of 1996 and 2001, was a sort of compromise for hip hop fans like myself. I realized that things could never be the same again, but there were one or two people like Jay Z who would try to make the best of it for us while conforming to commercial pressures. There was more of a focus on bounce and less focus on introspection, but these years undeniably belonged to him and he almost carried the game on his back during this time, reaching a peak in 2001 with Blueprint - an album on which Jay Z apparently found himself comfortable enough financially to produce the sounds and lyrics that would resonate forever.

2002 began the golden age of the Mixtape, with informal albums being pushed by the likes of the Diplomats and eventually becoming the chief form of pushing music over the last years as far as releases went. 50 Cent perfected the art and really created the market we see today, something he is probably miffed at never having the possibility of getting credit for since he's probably not as concerned with money as much as relevance at this point. And that's a shame. The most entertaining music of 2003-2011 have basically been the yearly new releases of 50 Cent's mixtape material, which just get better and better every single year. His albums died a long time ago, but what he releases on the mixtape circuit will unjustifiably go unnoticed on purpose by hip hop heads due to the obnoxious nature of the persona he presented to the larger record buying community in order to gain his life back after being basically a common criminal with a high probability of becoming a statistic.

I have said for years now on Bluelight that 50 Cent represents a golden age in himself, but he is overlooked by people who refuse to delve into his true gems, which can only be found on his mixtapes. This is partly his fault for maintaining an obnoxious persona that is akin to the base behavior you see in WWE promotional stints, and partly due to his insistence on continuing to release albums (a dated commodity, commercialized and watered down to the core) despite his prediction and active role in creating the massive mixtape utopia you see today.

Thoughts?
 
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I really like the way you describe what Wu Tang means to you. You have a very interesting writing style. I've always thought this, when reading your posts, cb.

During this time, you had rappers like Jay Z who can be seen actively hiding his deeper rhymes and thoughts due to commercial pressures, although the one or two lines per album which transcended space and time basically made him worth the entire price of every CD he put out at the time.

I think you (and a lot of people) attribute far too much praise to Jay-Z. I loved Reasonable Doubt when I was in high school (I still do). And I do agree, that Jay-Z probably doesn't rhyme quite as deeply or introspectively as he has the potential to; he even said it himself:

"If skills sold, truth be told,
I'd probably be, lyricly, Talib Kweli,
Truthfully.
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense,
(But i did five Mil),
I ain't been rhymin like Common since"

But that's something that could be said of most rappers. Even Nas changed his style drastically to be more commercially viable; as soon as his second album. I think Jay-Z was good at being commercially appealing; something that Nas wasn't as good at. However I think Nas is a far more capable rapper (comparing them both at their best). And has far more interesting things to say.

captainballs said:
Blueprint - an album on which Jay Z apparently found himself comfortable enough financially to produce the sounds and lyrics that would resonate forever.

I don't understand this level of praise for Jay-Z. Yea, I like Blueprint, it's a poppy hip hop album with some cool beats. I don't consider the rhyming to be at all perspective-shifting, deep or even technically impressive. "Lyrics that resonate forever"? I just don't see it... I'm more inclined to use that phrase to describe Common, Nas or Talib. Jay-Z's always seemed a bit like Lil Wayne to me. They have a similar kind of appeal (which rests mostly with charisma and confidence). And neither of them is particularly amazing technically (yet both claim they are, and both are highly successful commercially).

captainballs said:
50 Cent represents a golden age in himself, but he is overlooked by people who refuse to delve into his true gems, which can only be found on his mixtapes. This is partly his fault for maintaining an obnoxious persona that is akin to the base behavior you see in WWE promotional stints, and partly due to his insistence on continuing to release albums (a dated commodity, commercialized and watered down to the core) despite his prediction and active role in creating the massive mixtape utopia you see today.

I'm a 50 Cent fan (I have been since high school). I loved Get Rich and the Guess Who's Back compilation. I even liked G-Unit and The Massacre. I haven't followed any of his albums or mixtapes since; and I don't plan to. I'm not under any illusions that he is technically talented rapper. His flow is barely barable. His appeal for me has always been his confidence, and kind of fun, gangster/bravado-filled rhymes - something that was probably far more appealing to me when I was in high school, but still.

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that he could have a whole bunch of talent that he's 'hiding on mixtapes'. I understand that even he might dumb down his rhymes for commercial viability; but I doubt he even needed to dumb his rhymes down at all. Even on Guess Who's Back (which contains, IMO, the best rapping that I've heard him do) he wasn't at all introspective or deep; and his rhymes weren't necessarily more technically impressive than the on the couple of albums after that. He just had far more enthusiasm then.

Could you show me some tracks from these 'yearly mixtapes' that you mention, that would show his 'true talent'?
 
I would say there's always a least a few good artests out there at any given era or time. For me, and i think its because i like the raw, visceral emotion in this style if music, the artests that are truest in that regard have most appeal to me. and like other such endevours its hard to really keep fresh. There aren't many that I've really enjoyed evolve their style like I have in other genres.
 
Early 90's. Wu-Tang, Tribe Called Quest, and later on Pac, Biggie and Nas. Loved this era of hip-hop. Gangstarr, Talib, Three 6 Mafia and a slew of other killed it during this time. Then, before that, you have people like Rakim killing it. Too many eras to love.

Nowadays era isn't to bad. I love Lupe Fiasco, OFWGKTA and Spaceghostpurrp. The future era is going to be good.
 
i was just thinking recently how much i can't stand rap/hip hop, but really loved it in the early 90's. coolio, snoop, dre, tupac, and the silly but fun 2 live crew, slick rick.
 
Early 90s - Brand Nubian/A Tribe Called Quest/Gangstarr/KRS-1/Pharcyde/Charizma

As far as Fiddy Sent 'representing a golden age in himself' was that before or after "'fine me in 'a club batta' fuh' a bub i'm inta havin' sex i ain't inta makin love" ? Cuz without knowing much more about his catalog, his commercial shit comes off like any other candy ass 'i got street cred cuz' i been shot plus i got put on by a rapper you already like' dude. Okay okay, i'll give him cred for shit like "when i was young my m.o. was to go hand to hand/my p.o. she call me the gingerbread man/ i catch a new case an' tell 'er ass catch me if you can" and that line about "a couple niggas stuntin' on front street, lookin like lunch meat" and somethin' about jackin' they grandpa Cadillac, but man. It's all a bunch of chest beatin' look at me look at me bullshit in the end.
 
The era of right now.

Lil Boosie
DMX
Gucci Mane
Jim Jones
Weezy
Soulja Boy.
Travis Porter.

Remember hip ain't all about lyrics, the beats of today are shitting on the beats of earlier tracks.
 
The more I think about it, the more I believe Rakim should have an era of his own. Best ever.
 
Originally Posted by Rated E
Somebody stole my streetness. Captainballs, how do I be so real like you and make it hot when I come through, and even make hoes want to ride.

I am tired of being a Barack Obama ass motherfucker (for real).

first you have to download a few mixtapes:

50 Cent - War Angel EP
DJ White Owl - Street Kings 7 (50 Cent Edition)
Elephant in the Sand Mixtape

Now I'm going to ask you to try and remember what it was like to vibe, so close your eyes and go back to high school when you heard Reasonable Doubt and liked it. This is before all those white people got to you and taught you all the wrong shit about life. All the way back.

Now I got to teach you that you don't have to like every track, but bump this shit and skip around until you find the realest tracks. I can't tell you what they are. I understand your plight; I had to fight hard to retain my blackness and not become a Barack Obama ass buster like what happened to you.

Edit: I forgot to tell you to take that koofie off so that the headphones can fit. This shit is for the headphones, not the earbuds. And put that calculator away so you don't go trying to measure technical ability or lyrical capability, and put the picture of Nas away for now (you know he's not even wearing a shirt in the pictures you have).
 
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haha! Oh man. I have been informed. Getting War Angel now.

My favourite eras of hip hop:

* Late 90s & Onwards Conscious Rap. Talib Kweli & Mos Def, Common, Black Thought, whatever.

* Early Mid 90s East & West Coast. Tupac, Biggie, Snoop, Nate Dogg, Nas, Jay-Z, A Tribe Called Quest.

* Shady Aftermath Interscope & G-Unit. Eminem, Dr Dre, 50 Cent, G-Unit, The Game.

* Dilla. From Slum Village to The Pharcyde to Tribe's 4th album to Donuts. I reckon Dilla can be an era.
 
hmm, halfway through it. It's mostly hooks and singing. And then yelling. Not a lot of rapping.

It's kind of fun though.
 
The way to enjoy 50 Cent is to pretend you're him when you listen to him, and feel the rush when he growls (and you know he has that big black magic stick with a big purple vein).
 
EAsy
Ruthless in the west and Cold Chillin on the East
Cold Chillin had probably the most talented hip Hop roster of all time it will and has never been surpassed
Kane
G RAP
BIZ
MASTA ACE
ROXANNE SHANTE
CRAIG G
MARLEY ON THE PRODUCTION
MR MAGIC R.I.P

RUTHLESS
EASY E R.I.P
THE DOC
MC REN
ICE CUBE
DJ YELLA
DR DRE ON THE PRODUCTION

Definatley a Golden era on both Coasts
Most of these MCs KANE n G RAP especially could rap circles round these young wnna be gansta idiots
 
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