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^ I pretty much agree with what you're saying. Apart from the stuff you've mentioned other than RATM & early Dizzee ever being good at all. I thought that stuff was cockrock/hair metal.

Just like you I probably couldn't tell you the name of one Dizzee Rascal tune after Boy In Da Corner, yet I could probably recite all the lyrics from Boy In Da Corner.


Just fired Jus' A Rascal on faaaaaar too loud for this time in the morning haha, never gets old.
 
Swarm said:
A lot of the best bands of the early 90's where "cockrock" bands that saw the light.
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"Saw the light" = "Jumped the 'alternative' / 'grunge' bandwagon". =D

I consider the likes of Soundgarden, AIC etc. to be opportunist commercial rock bands who started to wear flannel shirts and stopped putting on the hairspray once fashions changed, so I agree on that front.

I certainly don't agree they were anywhere near being among the best bands of the early nineties though. They were just the ones that the major corporations put the backing behind and consequently got on the radio. The likes of My Bloody Valentine were the ones really breaking ground, but groundbreaking rarely sells. Especially in America, where the bands you listed all emanated from and where they were most hyped.

Well, we're off topic here aren't we? Sorry.
 
Thats an interesting point. My bloody valentine definitely came out of nowhere and there stuff is very subtle. Still, the term grunge didn't come into circulation until a good period after nevermind was released, and bad motorfinger was being written before the whole world went Nirvana crazy - so I'm not sure there was actually a bandwagon to speak of. That aside, helmet and soundgarden rarely wrote a tune in 4/4 timing, and not cos they were showing off. Get a guitar and try and play along to vaccination (Betty) or limo wreck (superunknown) and you'll see that band wagon or no bandwagon these guys wrote stuff that guys like me can only really dream of. Good point though, there were lots of just as good but lesser knowns that just sort of fell out of recognition for no good reason.
 
My bro would definitely agree with you btw - he worships Kevin Shields.
 
Oh, Kim Thayil can play - no question. I just think their image changed a lot - probably through record company pressure rather than any cynicism on the part of the musicians. As for Helmet, they were always pretty different anyway, so any bandwagon accusations don't apply to them.

You have to admit, though, that it was a bit of a leap for Chris Cornell to be tattooed, topless and long-haired one minute, imploring people (I say 'people' because I suspect he had men in mind) to "get on the snake" to the short-haired MTV-icon Cornell looking angsty and singing songs about yer Spoonmen and yer Black Hole Suns.

Oh, and your brother would probably get on with me - I worship Shields too. :)
 
Yep agree with all that for sure, always good to converse with others who know their music. I guess the Soundgarden story is always gonna be eternally debated due to the enigma that is chris cornell. i love his lyrics from the early days as much as i get embarrassed by most of the stuff with timbaland and fall asleep to euphoria morning. there was a big image change with soungarden just like when the billy corgan shaved his head and went all aenemic around the time of melon collie. i quite like all that so long as its inpsired however there is a definite appeal to bands like the pixies and sonic youth who wouldn't be able to strike a pose even if there lives depended on it.
 
I might be getting this wrong, but is anyone saying early Rage stuff was shit? If so, are you deaf? It's obviously a bit of nostalgia, as that first album rocked my socks off, during my school years. Seeing them live a couple of years ago was testament that they still have it, and they said because of the gig they'd be writing new material. Let's just hope it's of the caliber of the early stuff. Anyway, I fucking hate music debates on here. When I said I liked Linkin Park, I got fucking pounced on. Ha. Not really surprising from you elitist cunts. ;) Now, back on topic?
 
Treacle said:
I might be getting this wrong, but is anyone saying early Rage stuff was shit?
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You are getting it wrong, and (to the best of my knowledge) nobody said early Rage was shit. I would've said average and overrated rather than shit - a bit like a competent Led Zep covers band with one of the Beastie Boys in a bad mood on vocals. But not shit.

Linkin Park, however.... =D

Right, now where did we put that topic again?
 
I reckon I'll die, or rather, everyone else, who I invented in my mind along with the rest of the universe, will, erm, I dunno, sometime eventually.

Srsly though, Linkin Park?
 
Hopefully never. ;) Their last album was an odd blend of electronic music, with a bit of rock. Very different to the 'nu-metal' sound they had previously. Like anyone cares... Fuck you all. :D
 
Hmm... Can kindasorta see what some of y'all are sayin' 'bout Soundgarden and RATM (far less so about Alice in Chains though) but I disagree. It's clear those bands (and many others of that era) had their roots in cockrock cos that's what they mostly cite as influences and is evident in their music all the way. But that's just influences like wot everyone has. The difference is that such bands took a sound they loved and grew up with and evolved it into music that was actually good. Nine Inch Nails are another prime example - pure cockrock in the early days but would any of y'all be putting summat like The Downward Spiral in the same category as fuckin' Def Leppard?
 
This whole thread is an illustration of people's egos wanting to have control over the uncontrollable. The whole thread is a testament to man's (and woman's) futility.

Not that my ripped out tooth is bothering me or anything.
 
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