chillroll420
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im the worst when it comes to tripping.. i always think everyones fucking with me and get voices in my head. sometimes i have good trips but mostly bad.. any ideas?![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
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ways to insure a good trip?
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Transcendence
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There's really no way to ensure a good trip. You can have the perfect set and setting and everything can still turn bad. The biggest rule is to back out of a trip if you have any doubts or significant anxiety before hand. If you start to have a bad time while tripping don't fight it; just give in. Most importantly, move yourself to another location and away from other people if necessary.
One reason you may be having so many bad trips is because at this point you almost expect them to be bad beforehand. That anxiety will manifest itself. Try tripping alone. Sometimes tripping around other people, even close friends, is just too confusing. Make sure you have a sanctuary you can retreat to, an empty house, a place in the woods, whatever, where you can get away from people.
One reason you may be having so many bad trips is because at this point you almost expect them to be bad beforehand. That anxiety will manifest itself. Try tripping alone. Sometimes tripping around other people, even close friends, is just too confusing. Make sure you have a sanctuary you can retreat to, an empty house, a place in the woods, whatever, where you can get away from people.
BruceLeeSwag
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Take a high dose of MDMA with your psychedelic of choice or have a bunch of fast acting benzos next to you, makes you feel "safe".
Jesusgreen
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im the worst when it comes to tripping.. i always think everyones fucking with me and get voices in my head. sometimes i have good trips but mostly bad.. any ideas?
The most telling part of your question for me was "I always think everyone's fucking with me" - if you feel like that, you're tripping around the wrong people. You should only trip around people you feel completely comfortable with, trust completely, and wouldn't get this sort of paranoia around. If you don't have anyone like this, then limit yourself to tripping with one other person - the one from the group you trust most. Alternatively you could trip alone. (in a safe environment)
Look at any issues you're facing in your life. I developed severe social anxiety and wasn't leaving the house for the majority of the past two years, and due to this my trips took a rather sinister turn, leaving me feeling horrible about my anxiety, and feeling guilty for not doing anything about it. Once I faced my fears and dealt with my anxiety, I noticed that I experienced far fewer problematic trips. (DMT blast offs still scare the hell out of me!! ...But everything else is pleasant
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I'm not sure if this is good advice, I've heard many stories of people not reacting very well to candyflips and other psych + MDMA combos. Some people can easily be overwhelmed with the addition of MDMA to a psych as it can synergize very powerfully sometimes and induce anxiety. If you do want to use MDMA to help insure you have a good trip, keep the dosages low.
Benzos are also a good idea but it won't "abort" a trip and taking too much can lead to blacking out and overall an even worse trip.
I also agree with JG, I often find psychs can act as a "mirror" and IME many of my bad trips were caused by something that was bothering me and not the actual drugs themselves or even the setting. My best advice for insuring a good trip would be carefully try and figure out what the drug is telling you when you're having a bad trip and solve any problems before you trip again
donvliet
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The 3 basic rules: set, setting and dose.
Set: your mindset at the time, both short term and longer. Do you feel good? Are you in a difficult phase in your life? Are you sure you want to commit to undergo a psychedelic experience? Psychs are not toys! If you aren't sure you want to commit to the experience, whatever it brings, then don't do it. Be patient and wait for the right moment. It doesn't have to be perfect, but you'll know it when you are ready if you take a moment to consider it.
Setting: where are you going to trip, and with who? Not everyone can handle tripping in public, so choose a place you are comfortable, like your home. Make sure it's a nice place with a good vibe. And only be with people you trust deeply. Tripping with/around others can be quite intimate.
Dose: find your personal sweetspot dose! This might be significantly lower than what others like to take, so start low. Also find out which psych you like and which you don't. I personally like acid better than shrooms, but a lot of people are the other way around.
Psychedelics can have tremendous therapeutic value. Difficult feelings need to be dealt with while tripping and can lead to powerful healing experiences. You committed to the trip so it's usually best to go with the direction it takes. Use the unique state of consciousness to your advantage and face whatever is bothering you. And then let go of it.
Set: your mindset at the time, both short term and longer. Do you feel good? Are you in a difficult phase in your life? Are you sure you want to commit to undergo a psychedelic experience? Psychs are not toys! If you aren't sure you want to commit to the experience, whatever it brings, then don't do it. Be patient and wait for the right moment. It doesn't have to be perfect, but you'll know it when you are ready if you take a moment to consider it.
Setting: where are you going to trip, and with who? Not everyone can handle tripping in public, so choose a place you are comfortable, like your home. Make sure it's a nice place with a good vibe. And only be with people you trust deeply. Tripping with/around others can be quite intimate.
Dose: find your personal sweetspot dose! This might be significantly lower than what others like to take, so start low. Also find out which psych you like and which you don't. I personally like acid better than shrooms, but a lot of people are the other way around.
Psychedelics can have tremendous therapeutic value. Difficult feelings need to be dealt with while tripping and can lead to powerful healing experiences. You committed to the trip so it's usually best to go with the direction it takes. Use the unique state of consciousness to your advantage and face whatever is bothering you. And then let go of it.
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mecaib
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That happens to me when I get high on cannabis, which is why I limit my intake around other people. Recently I've been experimenting with cannabis edibles and as you know, once you're you're into it, your dosage cannot be titrated. So I've been letting what will happen, to happen. I've been allowing myself to feel the anxiety and hear the voices (and other assorted aural hallucinations), and have been tackling the causes for my bad feelings head-on. So far, it has been well worth the effort, and I have even been surprised by the quality of the visuals. (They get better and better the higher you go... somewhat DXM-like in their clarity and level of detail.)
Tripping isn't always fun. Sometimes you need to experience the bad to its fullest so that you will be a more joyful person in the long run. Overcoming a bad or unpleasant trip will make you mentally stronger, more aware of yourself, and a more mature person.
If you feel you must rely on other chemicals to smooth out the rough parts, I've found Gabapentin to be a very decent support drug. The happiness it produces doesn't feel artificial, more like it makes being happy an easier choice.
And if people are freaking you out, just don't trip around them. Find yourself a place you feel most comfortable in, and sit yourself there for the trip's duration. That's what I do, and it's like being enveloped by a cozy psychedelic blanket
Tripping isn't always fun. Sometimes you need to experience the bad to its fullest so that you will be a more joyful person in the long run. Overcoming a bad or unpleasant trip will make you mentally stronger, more aware of yourself, and a more mature person.
If you feel you must rely on other chemicals to smooth out the rough parts, I've found Gabapentin to be a very decent support drug. The happiness it produces doesn't feel artificial, more like it makes being happy an easier choice.
And if people are freaking you out, just don't trip around them. Find yourself a place you feel most comfortable in, and sit yourself there for the trip's duration. That's what I do, and it's like being enveloped by a cozy psychedelic blanket
space_monkey
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Short of becoming the person you want to be and being happy with your life, you can't ensure a good trip. You can only mitigate the risk. As others have mentioned: set, setting, and dose are the three key factors.
Medicineman94
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I would agree that this about sums it up. I think that it definitely goes without saying that if you are continually running into some sort of trouble when it comes to tripping that you should at least try and consider what you could change to make the experience feel safer. Take low doses and try to remember that it is just a drug. I would like to add though, one should always consider their risk for precipitating mental illness from their drug use and your chronic paranoia may be a red flag. This holds especially true if the negative symptoms persist when you have already tweaked set setting and dose to your liking.
Anon0631
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Most of what I'm about to say is echoed in then above posts but here is my story.
I used to trip a lot on LSD and the probability of having a bad/paranoid/scary experience started to increase until it was over 50%. this is what I did about it:
I stopped taking psychedelics for about a decade while I sorted my life out. I worked on becoming a happy, confident person and started identifying aspects of my life which were causing me to trip with an unhealthy mindset. I realised that I was suffering bad seasonal affective disorder and I was using LSD and MDMA to self medicate. The problem was that it was a) not helping and b) confusing me to the point where I couldn't identify a seasonal pattern of depression through the drug haze and comedowns. I started light therapy and was prescribed SSRI's for the winter months.
When I re-started psychedelic use, I did so with some new rules. I won't take anything unless it's a known quantity of a known substance at known purity. That means no dropping pills bought in clubs or throwing spurious blotters on my tongue. I buy from places like a well known darknet site (mods - am I allowed to mention it?) where I can find out information on purity etc. and buyer feedback. I weigh powders myself and read about routes of administration and their relative potency.
I'm more aware of issues like body-load and how it might affect my trip. If you can't stop thinking about physical discomfort, you can't concentrate on the people around you so you start to withdraw into a shell. Rectal administration helps with this, as does choosing your substances wisely.
I started out again by tripping alone. My attitude is that if you aren't comfortable with yourself, you can't be around other people. I relearnt to navigate the psydedelic landscape in a calm and measured fashion. I started on low dosages and worked up until I found what works for me. As it happens, this led to much higher dose trips than I was expecting to be comfortable with.
Other advice I can give is to work out what causes you paranoia. For me it is ego dissolution. For instance if I take DMT and can't work out the difference between me and not-me, or what the concept of "my room" means, then I feel that my conservatively Christian neighbours downstairs must know what I'm doing and be disapproving or phoning the police. In my case to avoid paranoia, I choose my social triping drugs carefully based on what will give me the full effects of psychedelia without ego dissolution. For me 2c's and NBOMe's are great for this whereas 4-substituted tryptamines are to be avoided.
The last point to make is that there is no such thing as purely recreational psychedelic use. If you aren't doing it to learn something about yourself, then you are missing the point. What you learn might not always be comfortable but it's usually nessicary or at least useful. If you are having a bad time, find out why. It will probably be the key to your future happiness.
Edit: I really disagree with the "take high doses of MDMA" comment above. The way to avoid having a bad time on drugs is not to take more drugs.
I used to trip a lot on LSD and the probability of having a bad/paranoid/scary experience started to increase until it was over 50%. this is what I did about it:
I stopped taking psychedelics for about a decade while I sorted my life out. I worked on becoming a happy, confident person and started identifying aspects of my life which were causing me to trip with an unhealthy mindset. I realised that I was suffering bad seasonal affective disorder and I was using LSD and MDMA to self medicate. The problem was that it was a) not helping and b) confusing me to the point where I couldn't identify a seasonal pattern of depression through the drug haze and comedowns. I started light therapy and was prescribed SSRI's for the winter months.
When I re-started psychedelic use, I did so with some new rules. I won't take anything unless it's a known quantity of a known substance at known purity. That means no dropping pills bought in clubs or throwing spurious blotters on my tongue. I buy from places like a well known darknet site (mods - am I allowed to mention it?) where I can find out information on purity etc. and buyer feedback. I weigh powders myself and read about routes of administration and their relative potency.
I'm more aware of issues like body-load and how it might affect my trip. If you can't stop thinking about physical discomfort, you can't concentrate on the people around you so you start to withdraw into a shell. Rectal administration helps with this, as does choosing your substances wisely.
I started out again by tripping alone. My attitude is that if you aren't comfortable with yourself, you can't be around other people. I relearnt to navigate the psydedelic landscape in a calm and measured fashion. I started on low dosages and worked up until I found what works for me. As it happens, this led to much higher dose trips than I was expecting to be comfortable with.
Other advice I can give is to work out what causes you paranoia. For me it is ego dissolution. For instance if I take DMT and can't work out the difference between me and not-me, or what the concept of "my room" means, then I feel that my conservatively Christian neighbours downstairs must know what I'm doing and be disapproving or phoning the police. In my case to avoid paranoia, I choose my social triping drugs carefully based on what will give me the full effects of psychedelia without ego dissolution. For me 2c's and NBOMe's are great for this whereas 4-substituted tryptamines are to be avoided.
The last point to make is that there is no such thing as purely recreational psychedelic use. If you aren't doing it to learn something about yourself, then you are missing the point. What you learn might not always be comfortable but it's usually nessicary or at least useful. If you are having a bad time, find out why. It will probably be the key to your future happiness.
Edit: I really disagree with the "take high doses of MDMA" comment above. The way to avoid having a bad time on drugs is not to take more drugs.
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Amber Trichome
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Get your responsibilities out of the way first. Put yourself in a comfortable environment you are familiar with. Minimize unexpected stimuli. I usually perform rigorous exercise and eat a super clean diet. Keep a benzo on hand in case. Have a lonnngg playlist prepared.