Ok, so there's some necessary context to this thread. The necessary context is:
1) I'm slowly weaning off Klonopin. I've been on it 20 years, along w/ Prozac. I now take 0.5mg in the morning and 0.5mg at night.
2) The episode I'm going to describe came one week after a similar episode I'd described in another thread. In that episode, there was a night were I'd taken Phenibut (while on my Klonopin of course), Kratom (probably unimportant?) and drank a lot the night before. The next day I had a really bad hangover and had taken my first dose of Klonopin but not my 2nd. Then around the time I should have taken my 2nd dose I forgot, and while smoking weed (I later heard that weed increases glutamate?)I got what necrogesic called "gluatamate surge w/ akithisia." I was suddenly uncomfortable in my own body and felt dissociation and was cold and shivering. I got in bed and my feet started shaking uncontrollably and I fell asleep. I felt fine the next day.
Now, with that context, the following weekend I decided "screw the phenibut, but I'm still gonna get drunk cause I want to see if that will happen again." Stupid, but I hoped that it wouldn't...
Everything was the same minus phenibut. I got really drunk on my klonopin, and some kratom. Next day I took kratom and smoked some weed, and while high i started worrying about if the glutamate surge would happen again, and it did. I had, once again, only taken my first dose of Klonopin but forgot to take the night time dose and it would have been wearing off at that time.
I felt the same akisthisia where I was afraid to be in my own body, but it passed more quickly than the last time. It switched very quickly to feeling REALLY cold even though it wasn't cold, and I got in bed and was shaking and shivering really badly, particularly my legs and lower body.
However, this time I went straight for my Klonopin since necrogesic said that when this happened to him that etizolam helped. i figured they are both benzos so it should work, and it did. I was shaking and shivering in my bed for 30-40 mins till the Klonopin kicked in, then it completely stopped and I fell asleep and felt totally fine the next day.
To me, that sounds a lot like delirium tremens, only I don't drink on a regular basis. I do drink a lot when I drink though. I have not drank since. It really freaked me out cause I thought I might die, and also, I am worried I'll never be able to drink again, but that is the lesser concern than my health.
I thought I could prove that the Phenibut was the only cause, but unfortunately it wasn't.
What I want to understand is:
1) Exactly what happened this 2nd time and why did this happen 2 weeks in a row? Why did it happen even without Phenibut?
2) Exactly how bad is what happened? Could i have died had I not had Klonopin? Or, considering that I DO have a huge supply of Klonopin, would i be safe if this happened again? Could a fatal seizure have occurred BEFORE I had a chance to get to my Klonopin?
3) If I had taken my Klonopin earlier, would it have prevented it?
4) Do I have to quit drinking forever? Should I just stop for a while?
I know that's a lot, but here's a theory I was wondering about: since I don't understand how it could have been alcohol withdrawal since I don't drink enough, and since Phenibut wasn't present in my system the 2nd time, and since both times I had not yet taken my 2nd dose of Klonopin: could this somehow have been Klonopin withdrawal that was induced by alcohol since both are GABA drugs, and, if I had taken that 2nd night time dose of klonopin earlier, with maybe a little extra, would it have prevented that stuff from happening in the first place? Afterall, the Klonopin stopped the 2nd episode once it kicked in, so wouldn't that logically mean that taking it earlier could have prevented it?
I have heard people say that when tapering off Klonopin you should not drink, but i really thought that advice was mostly for people who were completely off Klonopin, and I still take 1mg a day. I have gotten GABA rebound when drinking for years, but nothing like these 2 episodes.
After looking it up, what happened the 2nd time especially sounds like a mild cause of delirium tremens. I read about inability to control body temperature being a danger of the DTs and I got that. But I'm not addicted to alcohol so it's weird. I am dependent on Klonopin though.
Also, if I did this again (drinking, NOT Phenibut, I think I'm done with that shit), could I have a fatal seizure that could kill me?
I REALLY don't want to quit drinking forever, but I will stop as long as is necessary for the sake of my health. I suppose I could just drink less, but that's harder than total abstinence. And obviously i cannot talk to my doctor about this.
What is the explanation for this?
Do I have to quit drinking forever? Or would I just be better off not drinking so much until it's been a while since I've been off Klonopin? (I don't even feel comfortable getting off it completely yet...) Is this likely to happen every time I get drunk from now on?
1) I'm slowly weaning off Klonopin. I've been on it 20 years, along w/ Prozac. I now take 0.5mg in the morning and 0.5mg at night.
2) The episode I'm going to describe came one week after a similar episode I'd described in another thread. In that episode, there was a night were I'd taken Phenibut (while on my Klonopin of course), Kratom (probably unimportant?) and drank a lot the night before. The next day I had a really bad hangover and had taken my first dose of Klonopin but not my 2nd. Then around the time I should have taken my 2nd dose I forgot, and while smoking weed (I later heard that weed increases glutamate?)I got what necrogesic called "gluatamate surge w/ akithisia." I was suddenly uncomfortable in my own body and felt dissociation and was cold and shivering. I got in bed and my feet started shaking uncontrollably and I fell asleep. I felt fine the next day.
Now, with that context, the following weekend I decided "screw the phenibut, but I'm still gonna get drunk cause I want to see if that will happen again." Stupid, but I hoped that it wouldn't...
Everything was the same minus phenibut. I got really drunk on my klonopin, and some kratom. Next day I took kratom and smoked some weed, and while high i started worrying about if the glutamate surge would happen again, and it did. I had, once again, only taken my first dose of Klonopin but forgot to take the night time dose and it would have been wearing off at that time.
I felt the same akisthisia where I was afraid to be in my own body, but it passed more quickly than the last time. It switched very quickly to feeling REALLY cold even though it wasn't cold, and I got in bed and was shaking and shivering really badly, particularly my legs and lower body.
However, this time I went straight for my Klonopin since necrogesic said that when this happened to him that etizolam helped. i figured they are both benzos so it should work, and it did. I was shaking and shivering in my bed for 30-40 mins till the Klonopin kicked in, then it completely stopped and I fell asleep and felt totally fine the next day.
To me, that sounds a lot like delirium tremens, only I don't drink on a regular basis. I do drink a lot when I drink though. I have not drank since. It really freaked me out cause I thought I might die, and also, I am worried I'll never be able to drink again, but that is the lesser concern than my health.
I thought I could prove that the Phenibut was the only cause, but unfortunately it wasn't.
What I want to understand is:
1) Exactly what happened this 2nd time and why did this happen 2 weeks in a row? Why did it happen even without Phenibut?
2) Exactly how bad is what happened? Could i have died had I not had Klonopin? Or, considering that I DO have a huge supply of Klonopin, would i be safe if this happened again? Could a fatal seizure have occurred BEFORE I had a chance to get to my Klonopin?
3) If I had taken my Klonopin earlier, would it have prevented it?
4) Do I have to quit drinking forever? Should I just stop for a while?
I know that's a lot, but here's a theory I was wondering about: since I don't understand how it could have been alcohol withdrawal since I don't drink enough, and since Phenibut wasn't present in my system the 2nd time, and since both times I had not yet taken my 2nd dose of Klonopin: could this somehow have been Klonopin withdrawal that was induced by alcohol since both are GABA drugs, and, if I had taken that 2nd night time dose of klonopin earlier, with maybe a little extra, would it have prevented that stuff from happening in the first place? Afterall, the Klonopin stopped the 2nd episode once it kicked in, so wouldn't that logically mean that taking it earlier could have prevented it?
I have heard people say that when tapering off Klonopin you should not drink, but i really thought that advice was mostly for people who were completely off Klonopin, and I still take 1mg a day. I have gotten GABA rebound when drinking for years, but nothing like these 2 episodes.
After looking it up, what happened the 2nd time especially sounds like a mild cause of delirium tremens. I read about inability to control body temperature being a danger of the DTs and I got that. But I'm not addicted to alcohol so it's weird. I am dependent on Klonopin though.
Also, if I did this again (drinking, NOT Phenibut, I think I'm done with that shit), could I have a fatal seizure that could kill me?
I REALLY don't want to quit drinking forever, but I will stop as long as is necessary for the sake of my health. I suppose I could just drink less, but that's harder than total abstinence. And obviously i cannot talk to my doctor about this.
What is the explanation for this?
Do I have to quit drinking forever? Or would I just be better off not drinking so much until it's been a while since I've been off Klonopin? (I don't even feel comfortable getting off it completely yet...) Is this likely to happen every time I get drunk from now on?
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