I trust what seasoned medical professionals are observing over your mediocre skepticism.
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I trust what seasoned medical professionals are observing over your mediocre skepticism.
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Their is a good living to be made from pandering to conspiracy theorists. Their will always be outlier studies which is why their is a hierarchy of evidence. It's not perfect but it serves as a general guide. It's also important to recognize one's own prejudices and apply the same level of skepticism towards ALL data.
I admit I was truly surprised by some things I though I knew, and was wrong, when someone presented recent evidence. But at the same time, I have had people provide reference which essentially undermined their own opinion which makes me suspect that they read the title of a journal article and presumed it supported their position.
Their are most certainly sites which conglomerate outlier studies. In essence, carrying out that time-consuming 'cherry-picking' of data. Such sites often obfuscate content providers, have no obvious income streams and will tend to fixate on a limited number of topics.
I think it was Richard Serra who noted 'if something is offered free, you are the product' in about 1973. Now that was before the internet age but it foreshadowed it well. Marshall McLuhan described 'the machine age' in 1952 and even noted that while such technology could be a modern library of Alexandria, it would end up making people more ignorant.
It did vanish. Don't try and massage history mate, the authorities themselves can't even deny it. e.g. From scientific american, in relation to USA rates;
Said it countless times, I haven't been ill since before the pandemic. Then again, I'm in my 30's, eat very well and exercise, don't drink, and am not a complete fatbody like the majority of the population. And don't give me that guff about 'asymptomatic'. You go on to say;
And you don't think that doesn't apply to the authorities and the establishment itself? Do you want me list out some examples for you that prove unequivocally that is the case? Or how about just examples of the general background corruption that sees medical professionals and regular people doing and saying whatever is required just to make money.
'Asymptomatic' was pulled out of their fucking arse. It is a complete contradiction, especially in regards to the theory of how viruses supposedly work. You are either ill, or you're not, and if you're ill your body will clearly indicate that you're ill. You'll make light of people saying there is no virus, but then you are literally doing the flip side of that and saying that you can be ill without any actual demonstrable evidence that you are ill.
I don't really give a shit what people tell me they think is real. Consensus opinion doesn't amount to anything. People in the medieval era were convinced that certain physical and mental symptoms were the result of witchcraft and demons, without a shred of evidence, and to question that was no different than it is today with claims about unobservable viral particles causing physical symptoms. 99.9% of people working in the medical profession have never verified the methodology of virology for themselves, never actually seen a virus particle or seen one causing an infection. It is all implied and assumed based on belief of a prevailing theory, that's all. Just because entire institutions have been built around this belief system does not give any weight to the actual truth of the matter.
Your position, the governments and medical profession broadly, is an appeal to emotion. Not one based on actual evidence. The statistics in conjunction with the facts about the methodology of virology, and the methodology of testing, completely shreds that appeal to emotion for those who are not financially hamstrung or wedded to these assumptive beliefs about covid.
Oh, and just for posterity and in case you have already forgotten; Boris Johnson and staff at No.10 were partying in April 2020, the supposed peak of the first wave. They weren't wearing masks, they weren't distancing, they were drinking (probably drugging) and fucking, and as an insider revealed No.10 was basically an 'oasis of sanity' (I'm trying to find the exact quote but it appears to have been scrubbed from google). Do you want me to spell it out for you? If there was a supposedly deadly pathogen floating about that we weren't sure about, that would never have happened.. the security services would have stepped in, lest the country get politically decapitated.
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I see your point and agree when you put it that way. Which site is not free?
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I didn't have a problem with vaccines until I had side effects from the flu shot many years ago. That's why they tell you to wait 15 minutes after getting the shot in the doctors office. I had a bad reaction and since than I haven't got anymore. Now the cv-19 jab and all the free booze, pot, food, gift cards ext. that the states were handing out for people to take the jab made me suspicious. The whole warp-speed opp and the military being involved at these jab centers made me more suspicious. But suspicion alone don't mean a thing.
Is there a depopulation program in effect? Ever read the Georgia Guide-stones before it was blown up? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
Also this should be known already but:
https://humansbefree.com/2021/04/2025-deagel-forecast-depopulation.html
Than there's Agenda 21 under the United Nations. I believe the Covid-19 was the catalyst for Agenda 21 activation. How could this plan be so big and nobody exposes it? People did and we were labeled conspiracy theorist. Local Agenda 21 can be found here:
https://iclei.org/iclei-members/
Just look up your area and you'll notice mayors, town clerks, governors and others all involved. Many are also Freemasons if you do some digging. Freemasonry is devil worship. This can be verified. Many are police and politicians among others.
I could keep going but unless you believe that were in the end times of the Holy Bible , you won't see the connection. Beside the book of Revelation which speaks about the end times, mark of the beast and the beast system of government and much more Matthew 24. Luke 21 , Mark 13 all speak about the times in which we live. For me this is proof enough but for others they want signs of what is said.
I won't go on since this goes to deep for this forum.
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no idea where your graphic comes from but it's complete bullIt did vanish. Don't try and massage history mate, the authorities themselves can't even deny it. e.g. From scientific american, in relation to USA rates;
Said it countless times, I haven't been ill since before the pandemic. Then again, I'm in my 30's, eat very well and exercise, don't drink, and am not a complete fatbody like the majority of the population. And don't give me that guff about 'asymptomatic'. You go on to say;
And you don't think that doesn't apply to the authorities and the establishment itself? Do you want me list out some examples for you that prove unequivocally that is the case? Or how about just examples of the general background corruption that sees medical professionals and regular people doing and saying whatever is required just to make money.
'Asymptomatic' was pulled out of their fucking arse. It is a complete contradiction, especially in regards to the theory of how viruses supposedly work. You are either ill, or you're not, and if you're ill your body will clearly indicate that you're ill. You'll make light of people saying there is no virus, but then you are literally doing the flip side of that and saying that you can be ill without any actual demonstrable evidence that you are ill.
I don't really give a shit what people tell me they think is real. Consensus opinion doesn't amount to anything. People in the medieval era were convinced that certain physical and mental symptoms were the result of witchcraft and demons, without a shred of evidence, and to question that was no different than it is today with claims about unobservable viral particles causing physical symptoms. 99.9% of people working in the medical profession have never verified the methodology of virology for themselves, never actually seen a virus particle or seen one causing an infection. It is all implied and assumed based on belief of a prevailing theory, that's all. Just because entire institutions have been built around this belief system does not give any weight to the actual truth of the matter.
Your position, the governments and medical profession broadly, is an appeal to emotion. Not one based on actual evidence. The statistics in conjunction with the facts about the methodology of virology, and the methodology of testing, completely shreds that appeal to emotion for those who are not financially hamstrung or wedded to these assumptive beliefs about covid.
Oh, and just for posterity and in case you have already forgotten; Boris Johnson and staff at No.10 were partying in April 2020, the supposed peak of the first wave. They weren't wearing masks, they weren't distancing, they were drinking (probably drugging) and fucking, and as an insider revealed No.10 was basically an 'oasis of sanity' (I'm trying to find the exact quote but it appears to have been scrubbed from google). Do you want me to spell it out for you? If there was a supposedly deadly pathogen floating about that we weren't sure about, that would never have happened.. the security services would have stepped in, lest the country get politically decapitated.
as a) 2018 was a MUCH bigger influenza year than 2019
b) the dip comes too early, but might just have been different in the US
and c) it only covers a few years, and not even 2022, which again was a big surge
aaand d) a dip in influenza is normal. there's years where it's strong, and years where it's practically gone. It's ALWAYS been like this,
but they don't tell you that, or else their argument seems void of impact. because it is.
also when you want to prove that something vanished, you should include the time until NOW, or at least the span of a few decades
especially concerning a virus
this is just Germany in the last years
there's always been dips and spikes, so no the dip in 2021 means nothing. See that's the issue when people with no medical knowledge try to rhyme things together. Influenza always had big years and weak years, and dips, even for multiple years are NORMAL for the virus. There's been one in 2014 too, or 2006. But they don't tell you that, cuz they want you to believe their crap.
not every year is an influenza year. influenza has already resurged in 2022, so please show me a graphic that includes 2022, as 2022 was a big influenza year again. and this data is from the RKI(Robert Koch Institut)
As I said, these people have an agenda, and they will only show you the part they want you to see.
Yes I have thought about governments and companies making their profits, and they did that - i'm very well aware of that
masks and tests generated billions in revenue - however the lockdowns caused an even bigger financial whole worldwide - so would be a bit dumb to plan this, unless it was some faction that wants to seriously hurt the world.
but there is absolutely a virus, and influenza is still around.
I do this shit for work. I've had patients die because of either virus in the last years,
and you talk about it like it's a "you can believe in it or not/agreement between workers" kinda situation. Eat my entire ass.
I'm sure if my patients only had not believed in Corona, they wouldn't have died - and didn't they know Influenza is gone now?! Idiots. Just don't believe in it. You are not going to win this argument. Especially not with misleading data.
Yes 2021 was the weakest influenza year since 2001. That's pretty cool.
But then again it was the first season with a large amount of influenza vaccinations, where depending on the country 50-80% of the people got vaccinated against influenza. So it's no wonder the virus had issues in the year, although has ofc since then adapted again.
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I just don’t understand why people hate on people for what they chose to do with their body. It’s funny how extremists say “don’t worry about what trans people
Do with their bodies” and I don’t. I don’t care what someone decides to do with their body or judge them for it.
But then if you don’t get the vax they say shit like “you should all die”’or something else ridiculously hateful just because I chose to not out something in my body I don’t want to.
Stop the hate on both sides
Do with their bodies” and I don’t. I don’t care what someone decides to do with their body or judge them for it.
But then if you don’t get the vax they say shit like “you should all die”’or something else ridiculously hateful just because I chose to not out something in my body I don’t want to.
Stop the hate on both sides
I told you in the post. It is from Scientific American. There were a plethora of equally valid graphics, from the Lancet, World in Data and other stat sites, and the WHO itself, etc. They all say the same thing.
Yet, you choose the one graphic that deliberately obfuscates the truth by only having a single data point per year, leading to dramatic peaks and troughs that insinuate it was trending all year round.. which is not the case. Joining up a line between one point per year is so misleading that even a 12yr old could understand why. Then you have the gall to condescend that people like me 'don't understand the medical world' when you can't even represent your own narrative correctly with data!
I know I'm not. You're a lost cause, like most medical professionals who think they know more than they actually do and believe their shit smells sweeter than most, who believe that somehow incompetence and corruption magically doesn't affect their industry like it does with every other. As if being conditioned for years on end in institutions makes you understand reality better than the lay man who is not conditioned to think a certain way and along certain lines.
Great. You should have no trouble proving that statement then, right? Show me the time you actually verified it for yourself following scientific protocols.
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I was asymptomatic as they say when I had it and I have a compromised immune system. I take immune suppressants. And have right upper lobe damage from active TB years ago so I mean idk what to think tbh
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Ah OK, so I show you data that proves your last point was bullshit,
and now you just say "the data is wrong, because it goes year by year"...so?
It still proves you wrong, what's your answer about that? First you answer me that before I give you even another particle of my sweet smelling shit.
First you show me a graphic you're satisfied with that includes the YEAR 2022, or you sod off and try sticking it between your armpit.
THEN I can show you the countless data about long-term organ damage, all day long.
But that's the issue, you cannot find a statistic from 2022 that says influenza is gone, that isn't a flat-out lie. So good luck with fucking your armpit
First we talk about you being entirely wrong, and using a fucking 4-year statistic to prove a point, that conveniently left out the last years which INconveniently disprove the "point" the statistic is trying to make. Also just previous years would have been enough to show that a dip in Infuenza cases is nothing abnormal. Then I give you all the data you want. Once you admit your data was bullshit.
Because otherwise, the fuck am I talking to?
and edit: whatever the fuck you seem to think of medical professionals, I do good in this world. a lot of good, and most of us do.
I do medication-free therapy. I train people to walk again, train people to think clearly again, train people to have fun again, to play music, to paint.
Train people to talk again. I accompany people when they are getting ready to die, calming them down with music & words. And no I don't get a lot of money for that, I'm a musical therapist & chaperon - I get like 2 bucks more than minimum wage.
fuck have you done with your life, if i'm such a horrible person then? what positive have you done in this world if we who dedicate our lives to helping others are so fucking horrible in comparison to you? Why do you take a shit on my colleagues and I? What, you're Batman? Oskar Schindler?
I was just saying that as someone who doesn't do this professionally, you only see a window of time - the window your 'friends' seem to present you. 2018-2021. Why? Because 2018/19 were the biggest Influenza years in recorded history, and then late 2020 and 2021 had a dip. Anyone who works in medicine however knows 2022 was a big one for Influenza. Also anyone who works in medicine, looking at a statistic like "ERMAGERD Influenza is gone! Look! no influenza in 2021!!! OMG! BREAKING NEWS!!1!!1!" would be like "ok. so?" - it's nothing fucking special, that's just how it's always been with that virus. So yeah, I'm saying as a non-professional, you don't have the long-term insight that any medical professional has, and that your sudden sensationalist interest in the subject doesn't make you an expert over people who have been doing this all their life, especially not if you get your "info" from people who use falsified interpretations of statistics, that's a big red flag.
A lot of the very outspoken non-professionals tend to go over the top sensationalist about medical issues
If that hurts your feelings, I don't fucking know, try the armpit thing
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Influenza is definitely not gone. WHO and why would anyone think that? Why do ppl still get shots for it? lol. It mutates too correct? So it can never be gone and I don’t get the Covid vaccine but I’m not here to fight anyone. Someone wants it okay get it. Someone doesn’t. Okay don’t get it. Idrc. It doesn’t change my view of the person.
The only thing that changes my view of a person is their actions and how they treat people.
So I say to everyone- let’s not turn this into Reddit where people fight over opinions
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people believe a lot of dumb shit.
i should start a cult. it's just the way to go these days.
honestly, they believe EVERYTHING, you just have to say "fuck the government"
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I can’t stand her.
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yeah intelligence doesn't matter at all. I've seen people I'd call a LOT smarter than I fall for crap like this.
It's the emotion. That's why EVERY conspiracy theory EVER comes with emotional points: "Boo Government", is the most used one.
It's a very precise con, and the emotional hook is always what wins people over.
That's why no matter what the hell they try to tell people is real, it always comes with "BUT THE GOVERNMENT SURPRESSES THIS INFORMATION" or something like that.
So why is it all over Youtube, Amazon, ...?
People are fucking morons when it comes to our emotions.
Conspiracy nonsense has been a con from the start, and YES there are some very very select few that turned out to be true, or could turn out to be true,
but until then it's clicks for money. Nothing more.
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No but this is the point, it wasn't gone and it shouldn't have been gone following the conventional wisdom about what influenza supposedly is and how it operates. But it was gone according to the statistical data that was recorded for the period 2020-2021. That's the point I'm making, that what the statistical data shows does not match up with the reality about how influenza functions.
See bold quote below: How is it that the measures enacted for covid supposedly stopped influenza, but not covid, given both are highly contagious respiratory illnesses? The notion that these measures would stop one almost completely and not the other is utterly preposterous, there should have been a balance between the two and not an almost complete exclusion.
They throw in 'mask wearing', and yet no one thought that might work during flu seasons before? You see how assumptive beliefs just get manufactured out of thin air? This article was written in 2021, back when mask wearing was still being propagandized as an effective measure when in reality it has always been completely irrelevant to the transmission.
The truth is very simple. They simply rebranded all the cases that would have fallen under influenza to the covid category, using a testing methodology that ensured it.
Flu Has Disappeared for More Than a Year - Scientific American
Honestly, again, how you people can continue to deny what is so fucking obvious is incredible. The mental gymnastics required.
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again your paper is from 2021
2022, go. Any of these ridiculous claims about 2022, from any even semi-respectable medical journal, I beg you.
I ask myself what kind of mental gymnastics you do to not realize that you can only find proof from 2021, and not a single year after that, or even a decade or 2 before that. Look at the statistics, influenza ALWAYS had dips and spikes. You try to prove something with 3-year-old data that btw only includes the 2 biggest influenza years in history and the year dip after that. And 2021 of all years, where the most people ever got vaccinated against influenza for flu season. Also highly falsified interpretation: we missed ONE flu season, that's completely normal. What, did they expect people to get the flu in August 2020? September? "An entire year!"
No 2006 dip, no 2013 dip, nothing. And you talk about mental gymnastics we do?
Also you should know that medical journals & science magazines like the Scientific American have A L W A Y S been extremely sensationalist. They keep finding the cure for cancer, or the doom of mankind every other year.
Your deductive reasoning works on about this level
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Dude what the hell are you on. You can go to the WHO's own data sets on their website and see for yourself - unfortunately they break it down per country and not globally. However, this website uses the same data sets and does have a combined global rate data set:
Monthly share of influenza tests that were positive - OurWorldInData
You can clearly see that from April 1st 2020 to October 1st 2021 Influenza positives, globally, for all strains, were essentially zero (<1%). Every year going back to 2009 the rate was at least 5% in JUNE. In SUMMER. Yet in 2020 and 2021 it was <1%.
"Influenza has always had dips and spikes" does not square that fucking circle. End of story. You are refusing to see what is self evident in the data, again clearly and publicly available on the WHO's own website, and that is that influenza for all intents and purposes vanished from 2020 to the end of 2021. The notion that covid somehow displaced an equally contagious respiratory pathogen, that shares the same vector and transmissibility, for a year and half is. Flat. Out. Delusional.
You can post stupid condescending nonsense about pirates and global warming all you like, the truth is self evident to those who don't have vested interests or their heads stuck up their arses. You expect me and the public to adopt a schizophrenic approach to science and choose to ignore something when it doesn't suit a particular narrative. Sorry, but that doesn't cut the mustard when the official data is completely incongruent with the official narrative on respiratory pathogen behaviour.
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again: soo?Dude what the hell are you on. You can go to the WHO's own data sets on their website and see for yourself - unfortunately they break it down per country and not globally. However, this website uses the same data sets and does have a combined global rate data set:
Monthly share of influenza tests that were positive - OurWorldInData
You can clearly see that from April 1st 2020 to October 1st 2021 Influenza positives, globally, for all strains, were essentially zero (<1%). Every year going back to 2009 the rate was at least 5% in JUNE. In SUMMER. Yet in 2020 and 2021 it was <1%.
"Influenza has always had dips and spikes" does not square that fucking circle. End of story. You are refusing to see what is self evident in the data, again clearly and publicly available on the WHO's own website, and that is that influenza for all intents and purposes vanished from 2020 to the end of 2021. The notion that covid somehow displaced an equally contagious respiratory pathogen, that shares the same vector and transmissibility, for a year and half is. Flat. Out. Delusional.
You can post stupid condescending nonsense about pirates and global warming all you like, the truth is self evident to those who don't have vested interests or their heads stuck up their arses. You expect me and the public to adopt a schizophrenic approach to science and choose to ignore something when it doesn't suit a particular narrative. Sorry, but that doesn't cut the mustard when the official data is completely incongruent with the official narrative on respiratory pathogen behaviour.
this was during lockdown - where would people even get it from? It's still 1%, so you can't say it was gone completely, and as soon as lockdown ended, guess who's back? back again? both Corona & Influenza actually.
Corona spreads much more easily than Influenza, so yeah it had a fucking hard time during lockdown - where everyone sanitized fucking everything 15 times a day.
I have to sanitize my hands 20 times a day at work too, I never fucking get Influenza either when it's making the rounds. I did get Corona tho, three times.
Corona can get you through the air conditioning alone. Ask anyone working in a hospital or an old folks home how Corona behaves, and how Influenza behaves.
We have full-body suits for Corona, yknow for entering the rooms of people who have it, because it spreads like wildfire - oh and we still got sick even with the dumb suits. For Influenza, wash your friggin hands - don't touch your face, don't get too close to people who have it, or touch anything they touched, you're fine
and even if you had Influenza during that time, or a combination of Influenza & Corona, which Doctor would diagnose you with Influenza?
every second Doctor during that time behaved like "the Rona's gonna get'cha!"
lockdown + mass panic + incredibly high amount of influenza vaccinations. It's not like the very low Influenza count doesn't make sense
whatever, you're gonna believe what you're gonna believe
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Haha. Right. So lockdown is effective against Influenza, but not against SARS-NCov2. Remind me again, what are both of these classified as? Oh yes, respiratory illnesses! Both of which have the same vector of transmission and high degree of transmissibility.
Never sanitized. Picked my nose, rubbed my eyeballs. And that's after having just touched shopping trolleys. Hugged and was in close proximity to my friend who works in a school with known cases all throughout. And guess what? Didn't get it once. And neither did my elderly parents (or his parents) who I live with so don't give me that asymptomatic bullshit either.
You're just pulling excuses out to rationalize away what is self evident. Both are highly contagious respiratory pathogens, supposedly. There is no way you can square the circle. Influenza should not have dropped to less than 1% globally while covid did not, given both pathogens share so much in common. The idea that one would drop out of existence is just bonkers. Viruses are, supposedly, non-living entities, they don't compete and have no mechanism to outcompete. The distribution of both should have been... distributed.
It's hilarious. That after 4 years you continue to paint this thing as if it were fucking Ebola on steroids.
If that were actually true, then you should have a credible explanation for why the Indian sub-continent is not in ruins. 1 billion people, most living at or below the poverty line, many living in literal slum conditions with shit everywhere and corpses floating in the rivers which they in turn bathe in. Obscene pollution. Poor diets. Some of the most densely populated cities in the world. And yet, India is not in ruins. A supposedly novel pathogen with extraordinary transmissibility and (supposedly) deadly, should have ripped through such an environment in no time and left destruction in its wake. But it didn't. There wasn't mass outbreaks of illness or death on the scale which should have taken place if what was claimed about the virus were actually true.