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Was the Vaccine Designed to kill

Well I know where you stand on the vaccine, and seen some of the other videos posted, so no I didn’t waist my time tbh

But even right now why don’t they start a trial with a control group ? Why wouldn’t they have one running right fucking now if they were so sure the vaccine isn’t causing all these problems, wouldnt take more then a couple years to prove its not the vaccine…but they still don’t , fucking HMmmm
 
Well I know where you stand on the vaccine, and seen some of the other videos posted, so no I didn’t waist my time tbh

But even right now why don’t they start a trial with a control group ? Why wouldn’t they have one running right fucking now if they were so sure the vaccine isn’t causing all these problems, wouldnt take more then a couple years to prove its not the vaccine…but they still don’t , fucking HMmmm
They ended up giving the control group the option to take the shots, lol, so now there's no adult long term control group data

Also, we didn't have the increase in excess deaths in 2020 when Covid was more severe, but excess deaths went up after billions of shots were given in a short period while covid was less severe, and birthrates didn't have big drops in 2020 either, and had drops around 9 months after billions took shots in early-mid 2021. I don't how people can just dismiss that as "correlation doesn't imply causation" or whatever
 
I don't how people can just dismiss that as "correlation doesn't imply causation" or whatever

right. you don't know.

while i totally get that a correlation can suggest that two variables are somehow related, it's a big leap. not least because there are other variables e.g. other factors or variables which are omitted, measurement issues, sample issues, etc.

it doesn't help that, certainly here, people will post a link to a piece about somebody collapsing or dying and feel they've somehow proved that it's vaccine related when they don't even know the health history - or even the vaccination status - of the affected.

look at this:

weirdcorrelation01.png


and this:

weirdcorrelation02.png


are you up in arms about u.s. imports of crude oil from norway? why are so many people dying in railway collisions and why are we not stopping cruase oil imports from norway to prevent it?

and why don't we reduce spending on science to prevent a lot of suicides?

alasdair
 
and i think there is a difference between anti-vax (for want of a better term) people here and others.

if you believe that the vaccine causes all these extra deaths , are you open to the idea that you're wrong and it doesn't? even just that possibility?

because, even though i may dismiss the same increase with "correlation doesn't mean causation", i am quite open to the idea that the vaccine is the cause. i'd just like to see more compelling evidence.

alasdair
 
right. you don't know.

while i totally get that a correlation can suggest that two variables are somehow related, it's a big leap. not least because there are other variables e.g. other factors or variables which are omitted, measurement issues, sample issues, etc.

it doesn't help that, certainly here, people will post a link to a piece about somebody collapsing or dying and feel they've somehow proved that it's vaccine related when they don't even know the health history - or even the vaccination status - of the affected.

look at this:

weirdcorrelation01.png


and this:

weirdcorrelation02.png


are you up in arms about u.s. imports of crude oil from norway? why are so many people dying in railway collisions and why are we not stopping cruase oil imports from norway to prevent it?

and why don't we reduce spending on science to prevent a lot of suicides?

alasdair
I agree with the first part before the graphs. But the rest isn't going to get me to not care about, or ignore, the suspicious timing of increased excess death rates and lower birthrates and how they align with the timing of mass vaccination and ~9 months after mass vaccination
 
indeed.

and you won’t convince me that spending on science is not causing certain suicides. look at that suspicious correlation! they are incredibly closely aligned over a period of a decade! it has to be causing it! i don’t know how you can’t see that.

:)

alasdair
 
Well I know where you stand on the vaccine, and seen some of the other videos posted, so no I didn’t waist my time tbh

But even right now why don’t they start a trial with a control group ? Why wouldn’t they have one running right fucking now if they were so sure the vaccine isn’t causing all these problems, wouldnt take more then a couple years to prove its not the vaccine…but they still don’t , fucking HMmmm
Yep, it’s definitely the cause of most of these things. It’s the perfect bio weapon in the way it functions. History keeps repeating, but each time shit ramps up, due to technology. And it’s wild how many Brain washed lemmings are ready to defend the establishments honor anytime people notice things 😜
 
indeed.

and you won’t convince me that spending on science is not causing certain suicides. look at that suspicious correlation! they are incredibly closely aligned over a period of a decade! it has to be causing it! i don’t know how you can’t see that.

:)

alasdair
How does it feel to be on the side of the pharmaceutical industry, the banks, and the rest of the establishment? It’s important to remember that you are the man, and all the antifa larping won’t ever change this fact.
 
right. you don't know.

while i totally get that a correlation can suggest that two variables are somehow related, it's a big leap. not least because there are other variables e.g. other factors or variables which are omitted, measurement issues, sample issues, etc.

it doesn't help that, certainly here, people will post a link to a piece about somebody collapsing or dying and feel they've somehow proved that it's vaccine related when they don't even know the health history - or even the vaccination status - of the affected.

look at this:

weirdcorrelation01.png


and this:

weirdcorrelation02.png


are you up in arms about u.s. imports of crude oil from norway? why are so many people dying in railway collisions and why are we not stopping cruase oil imports from norway to prevent it?

and why don't we reduce spending on science to prevent a lot of suicides?

alasdair
Isn’t this somewhat disingenuous? Cause I know more than a couple post have been made about stories where the family of the dead say they were perfectly healthy up until they got vaccinated and died shortly after
 
I don’t understand anyone anymore. Peoples intent has changed….fake. Just like how surprised so many were about Balenciago and pedophilla. They been pedophiles for a longtime. They legit worship satan. The reason they’re so open with promoting child pedophilla in their ad campaigns is because they believe in karmic retribution.


If Im selling poisonous apples but my sign says “Apples for sale”…..when you eat one then die it’s my fault. I just murdered you.

But if my sign says “Poisonous apple for sale” it’s not my fault. I didn’t kill you. You just committed suicide. Satanist believe that if they put the truth right in your face and you still watch anyway they aren’t responsible for the consequences it causes. You knew but allowed it anyway. This is also happening with artists and their music…directors doing it with movies….brands doing it with fashion. If they understand what I was doing but allowed me to do it anyways…if I show you I’m a pedophile but you continue to purchase our product you are supporting pedophilia so you are obviously ok with it.

It’s every where and it’s only gonna get worse. It was the battle for your mind….but you lost.
 
Cause I know more than a couple post have been made about stories where the family of the dead say they were perfectly healthy up until they got vaccinated and died shortly after

ok. i agree the timing seems suspicious. i agree there appears to be a correlation.

but some people here - maybe you included - go straight to "then the vaccine caused that death" when, in some if not many cases, they don't even know the cause of death yet. nope. the only possible explanation is the vaccine killed them.

alasdair
 
ok. i agree the timing seems suspicious. i agree there appears to be a correlation.

but some people here - maybe you included - go straight to "then the vaccine caused that death" when, in some if not many cases, they don't even know the cause of death yet. nope. the only possible explanation is the vaccine killed them.

alasdair
I’ll accept that
 
I don’t understand anyone anymore. Peoples intent has changed….fake. Just like how surprised so many were about Balenciago and pedophilla. They been pedophiles for a longtime. They legit worship satan. The reason they’re so open with promoting child pedophilla in their ad campaigns is because they believe in karmic retribution.


If Im selling poisonous apples but my sign says “Apples for sale”…..when you eat one then die it’s my fault. I just murdered you.

But if my sign says “Poisonous apple for sale” it’s not my fault. I didn’t kill you. You just committed suicide. Satanist believe that if they put the truth right in your face and you still watch anyway they aren’t responsible for the consequences it causes. You knew but allowed it anyway. This is also happening with artists and their music…directors doing it with movies….brands doing it with fashion. If they understand what I was doing but allowed me to do it anyways…if I show you I’m a pedophile but you continue to purchase our product you are supporting pedophilia so you are obviously ok with it.

It’s every where and it’s only gonna get worse. It was the battle for your mind….but you lost.
I ain’t lost shit sweetheart
 
Isn’t this somewhat disingenuous? Cause I know more than a couple post have been made about stories where the family of the dead say they were perfectly healthy up until they got vaccinated and died shortly after

Gotta admit, those stories I keep seeing popping up are pretty compelling. Of course, we have almost 8 billion people in the world, ~400 million in America, and healthy young people die every day. But it's disturbing and certainly gives me pause. I'm not prepared to say "alright that's it, I am 100% sure that the vaccine killed them and nothing you can say will change my mind"... but it gives me pause, for sure.

I feel like it's very rare to find someone with a truly open mind about this subject, these days. Everyone either religiously sides with the establishment and is pro-vaccine, or religiously sides with the "covid vaccine is evil and is killing everybody and the whole pandemic is just an attempt to implement the new world order". And it's clear that neither side is willing to even consider that they might not be totally correct.

Personally my views have changed a lot since the beginning. And continue to change. First and foremost, I am well aware that I don't know the truth and can't; I am not one of those people who is privileged with the inside scoop, nor is anyone on this forum (to my knowledge). My current working theory is that the initial response/lockdowns was a sensible and well-intentioned move, given we did not know what to expect. Also, the vaccines were a real attempt to mitigate harm, and were quite effective against the original version of the virus. BUT, it has gone vastly downhill from there. Covid itself has mutated into something much less dangerous, and lockdowns are no longer in any way appropriate. I'm not sure it was even worth causing so much damage to society in the first place, even when the disease was deadlier, but at least I think that initial move was the responsible and sensible thing to do. The vaccines clearly are - at absolute best - minimally effective against today's covid virus. At worst, they actually make you more susceptible (for me the jury is out on that, because I can't tell what to trust so I reserve forming a conviction). The only conclusion I can draw about why they are continuing to be pushed is that it is a massive cash grab, which certainly lines up with how big pharma operates. They made shit tons of doses, they're probably continuing to make more, and by god, they have to sell them, because if revenue doesn't go up every quarter, the shareholders will be upset and a CEO is gonna get fired. I don't think there is a more sinister motive than that... corporate greed is plenty sinister already. It's sheer greed, like it always is.

The media/establishment pushes fear every time people start to get settled because it sells more vaccines and keeps people in the mindset to accept seasonal covid shots, like the flu shot (another hefty money maker, but with a hell of a lot longer track record of human data). That said, I see plenty of evidence that "long covid" is actually a thing that happens to some people, so I don't think covid is "just the sniffles", at least not for everybody. But the way they have some people, like my poor girlfriend, believing that 25% of all people who get covid develop long covid, that is fucked up, and it pisses me off that they're taking advantage of scared people like that.

I got fully vaxxed early on, and got one booster, against my better judgment, due to social pressure. I will not be getting more. I've also had covid twice. I haven't had any troubling side effects from either covid or the vaccine, and I'm not too worried about it, but I would be lying if I said that I am not a little worried in the back of my mind. About both the potential for the vaccine to manifest problems down the road, and for covid itself to manifest problems down the road. But I feel more comfortable in the future allowing my body to do the thing it's built to do, without getting any more injections.

I'm sick to fucking death of this whole thing, and hearing about it. My friends basically all are over it and live their lives normally. I try, and mostly do, but my girlfriend and my family are firmly in the "vaccine good, covid scary, government good" camp, whereas I am skeptical of all sides. So my life is somewhat affected. But I only see my family twice a year so I am only occasionally affected by them, which is good because they're WAY more intense about it than my girlfriend. My sister and her husband literally didn't leave their house for the entire year of 2020 except to take brief walks once a week, double masked walks, and they disinfected themselves when they came back inside. They even had groceries delivered, and wore masks to step outside to get the boxes, and washed every item with hand sanitizer or bleach. The only topic of conversation with them was how immoral those "trump supporting idiots" were who refused to wear masks or get vaccinated. So tedious and annoying, no ability to see nuance whatsoever. My girlfriend and I made a deal where if she feels I took a risk that is unacceptable to her, we will isolate in separate areas of the house until a few days go by and I am not getting sick. Rather than her trying to tell me what I can and can't do. Which I appreciate, but man do I wish she wasn't so affected by all the fear pushing.

I will probably have a different opinion in 6 months, in a year, to some extent, because I'm trying my best to not allow myself to become stuck in a camp like it seems almost everyone is. There aren't too many of us, it seems. Sadly, that's also the case with most "hot button", wedge issues in America/the world. Tribalism and emotions have taken over objectivity and actual critical thinking. It has become threatening and/or immoral to people to even consider that they might be wrong, or that the other side might have some points. Politics has taken over every issue we face today, and it has become like religion has typically been throughout human history. Something that you have to be on the "right" side of or else you're immoral/the enemy, and if you question your group, you're committing a sin, so you do not allow yourself to truly question. Not everyone is like that, but it really seems like most people are, anymore.
 
I’m more than willing to be part of the control group for a vaccine trial still, hell if it were a legitimate trial set to run years I would even bite the bullet and get vaxed just to find out just where the vaccine really sits, but no such trial will ever happen, and that’s somewhat telling to me
 
Gotta admit, those stories I keep seeing popping up are pretty compelling. Of course, we have almost 8 billion people in the world, ~400 million in America, and healthy young people die every day. But it's disturbing and certainly gives me pause. I'm not prepared to say "alright that's it, I am 100% sure that the vaccine killed them and nothing you can say will change my mind"... but it gives me pause, for sure.

I feel like it's very rare to find someone with a truly open mind about this subject, these days. Everyone either religiously sides with the establishment and is pro-vaccine, or religiously sides with the "covid vaccine is evil and is killing everybody and the whole pandemic is just an attempt to implement the new world order". And it's clear that neither side is willing to even consider that they might not be totally correct.

Personally my views have changed a lot since the beginning. And continue to change. First and foremost, I am well aware that I don't know the truth and can't; I am not one of those people who is privileged with the inside scoop, nor is anyone on this forum (to my knowledge). My current working theory is that the initial response/lockdowns was a sensible and well-intentioned move, given we did not know what to expect. Also, the vaccines were a real attempt to mitigate harm, and were quite effective against the original version of the virus. BUT, it has gone vastly downhill from there. Covid itself has mutated into something much less dangerous, and lockdowns are no longer in any way appropriate. I'm not sure it was even worth causing so much damage to society in the first place, even when the disease was deadlier, but at least I think that initial move was the responsible and sensible thing to do. The vaccines clearly are - at absolute best - minimally effective against today's covid virus. At worst, they actually make you more susceptible (for me the jury is out on that, because I can't tell what to trust so I reserve forming a conviction). The only conclusion I can draw about why they are continuing to be pushed is that it is a massive cash grab, which certainly lines up with how big pharma operates. They made shit tons of doses, they're probably continuing to make more, and by god, they have to sell them, because if revenue doesn't go up every quarter, the shareholders will be upset and a CEO is gonna get fired. I don't think there is a more sinister motive than that... corporate greed is plenty sinister already. It's sheer greed, like it always is.

The media/establishment pushes fear every time people start to get settled because it sells more vaccines and keeps people in the mindset to accept seasonal covid shots, like the flu shot (another hefty money maker, but with a hell of a lot longer track record of human data). That said, I see plenty of evidence that "long covid" is actually a thing that happens to some people, so I don't think covid is "just the sniffles", at least not for everybody. But the way they have some people, like my poor girlfriend, believing that 25% of all people who get covid develop long covid, that is fucked up, and it pisses me off that they're taking advantage of scared people like that.

I got fully vaxxed early on, and got one booster, against my better judgment, due to social pressure. I will not be getting more. I've also had covid twice. I haven't had any troubling side effects from either covid or the vaccine, and I'm not too worried about it, but I would be lying if I said that I am not a little worried in the back of my mind. About both the potential for the vaccine to manifest problems down the road, and for covid itself to manifest problems down the road. But I feel more comfortable in the future allowing my body to do the thing it's built to do, without getting any more injections.

I'm sick to fucking death of this whole thing, and hearing about it. My friends basically all are over it and live their lives normally. I try, and mostly do, but my girlfriend and my family are firmly in the "vaccine good, covid scary, government good" camp, whereas I am skeptical of all sides. So my life is somewhat affected. But I only see my family twice a year so I am only occasionally affected by them, which is good because they're WAY more intense about it than my girlfriend. My sister and her husband literally didn't leave their house for the entire year of 2020 except to take brief walks once a week, double masked walks, and they disinfected themselves when they came back inside. They even had groceries delivered, and wore masks to step outside to get the boxes, and washed every item with hand sanitizer or bleach. The only topic of conversation with them was how immoral those "trump supporting idiots" were who refused to wear masks or get vaccinated. So tedious and annoying, no ability to see nuance whatsoever. My girlfriend and I made a deal where if she feels I took a risk that is unacceptable to her, we will isolate in separate areas of the house until a few days go by and I am not getting sick. Rather than her trying to tell me what I can and can't do. Which I appreciate, but man do I wish she wasn't so affected by all the fear pushing.

I will probably have a different opinion in 6 months, in a year, to some extent, because I'm trying my best to not allow myself to become stuck in a camp like it seems almost everyone is. There aren't too many of us, it seems. Sadly, that's also the case with most "hot button", wedge issues in America/the world. Tribalism and emotions have taken over objectivity and actual critical thinking. It has become threatening and/or immoral to people to even consider that they might be wrong, or that the other side might have some points. Politics has taken over every issue we face today, and it has become like religion has typically been throughout human history. Something that you have to be on the "right" side of or else you're immoral/the enemy, and if you question your group, you're committing a sin, so you do not allow yourself to truly question. Not everyone is like that, but it really seems like most people are, anymore.
I m as provax as they came but :
the fact that both in 2020 and 2021 I went back to my...own country (Italy) and it was as difficult as going to North Korea is concerning
The fact that when I finally managed to go back home there was the fucking army in the streets , curfews , people being fined 500 euros if they were not at home at 22:30 is concerning as well
That to go back to Brazil where I have a permanent VIsa and a wife I had to go through some crazy shit that u guys can t even imagine, concerning as well
The fact I can t freaking invite my relatives to my wedding that I keep postponing because of all this crazy shit is concerning
The fact that I m supposed to go back to my...own country in 3 days and rather than being happy I m paranoid as I dont know if they will change their policy or whatever is concerning as well, and the fact that I dunno whether in..20 days either Brazil or Italy will change the freakin Covid policy again and going back to Brazil will be hell like in the last two years concerns me a lot
So yeah, I m concerned, lot of authoritarian shite going on, and it s no good, it s not even a matter of Covid anymore, I m starting to think is about control, and is no good
 
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ok. i agree the timing seems suspicious. i agree there appears to be a correlation.

but some people here - maybe you included - go straight to "then the vaccine caused that death" when, in some if not many cases, they don't even know the cause of death yet. nope. the only possible explanation is the vaccine killed them.

alasdair
You should be focusing on the excess mortality, heart issues in children etc. caused by this vaccine instead of trying to discredit people bringing it to light. It's like you're ignoring the potential biggest scandal of all time. And yes anyone who was vaccinated/boosted and has since "died suddenly", people are going to assume it was the vaccine or that it contributed to the death.

There are so many articles coming out of relatively young people dying and there's no cause of death listed in the article. Again - alarm bells.
 
I don't know if these vaccines were designed specifically to kill, but damn the side effects are heart-stopping (and blood-thickening).
 
Also, I’m going to state, I don’t believe children up to 16/18 need a vaccine. I didn’t vaccinate my son and wouldn’t because the risk to children is not high enough to warrant it. Obviously I’m not including children who have medical issues and who would benefit from getting the vaccine.

My son does get his yearly flu nasal vaccine spray though.
there is also the under 5 population, especially infants. the risk goes up as age goes down from about 6-8 years old, iirc. i think newborns have about the same risk as a 30 y.o., at least when i looked months ago.
 
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