was detox all in vain? (warning: long)

drug_wench

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i finally made it into detox after a long wait of coming off a high dose of methadone and came out telling myself this was it...this time id definitely hit my own version of rock bottom...16 days after admission and im already making my way back to the bullshit that landed me on the stuff in the first place...

over the past year, while slowly weaning myself off the done, i managed to kick methamphetamine. finally. ive been very fortunate having the support of keira (Sweet P) - were no longer together but have stayed really tight, and i dont know that id be sitting here typing this if it wasnt for her. we both had pretty heavy meth habits, and somehow with the help of each other, we managed to kick it. we both told ourselves itd never be 'never again' - that was too hard - that we just didnt want to be hooked.
i set myself boundaries with it - never use it alone, never seek it out, never take it home (chip in if mates buy it, by all means, but when it comes time to end the party, should there be any left, unlikely as that might be, it stays with whoever else is using it), never buy it for myself...that kind of thing. eventually other meth users stopped contacting me, dealers no longer took an interest in me, the contacts started dropping off and, together, keira and i both stopped. i still tell myself its not 'never again' but i havent touched it for a good 6 months. i have no desire to use meth.
but then again im so strung-out from chronic dopesickness that maybe thats all thats keeping me off it.

i was a poly-substance abuser for years and i barely even touch weed these days.
if you had told me id shed every other drug, including meth, my so-called 'drug of choice', and just be left with opiates i wouldnt have believed you. over the years i was on done i actually told myself my opiate addiction was cured.

methadone was a disaster for me. i spent all day every day just lying in bed. i stopped competing on my horses, something i thought id never lose the passion for. i came on this site every day for years - on methadone i couldnt even get myself up to use the computer. i stopped showering. i never stabilised properly and reached 250mg at one point. i was no more functional on it than i was on heroin. so i had to come off it.

somewhere down the line, earlier this year, while reducing my dose at a rate of knots, i started shooting street drugs again. id had this insane idea that itd be smart to use mistys (dont know if thats just NZ slang...morphine sulphate tablets) to help me wean down faster, and it worked at first. id never really got into slamming mistys before - it was mainly homebake/heroin i was into - so i thought itd be safe, but when my tolerance started to climb i started to look for smack again. it wasnt that hard either - itd been really hard to get over here for awhile but has been making a bit of a comeback lately, and the same guy that sold me the mistys used it, so he started hooking me up.
things started to go downhill more and more. i kept dropping the methadone dose and shooting more and more smack (or if i couldnt get it, mistys). once id awoken the needle fixation i started shooting my takeaway doses of done to add to the mess. i was borrowing money or buying on tick and still owe thousands, and by the time i admitted what was happening to the caseworker who dealt with my methadone script, and was waiting on detox, i was a wreck. it could take 2 hours just to find a vein and i kept ending up in hospital for infections or bad tastes. i never left my room but to eat, drink or shower occasionaly, unless i was scurrying off to meet the dealer. it was amazing how fast it got to that point this time - before giving into methadone id spent at least 3 years shooting drugs, with only short periods of sobriety in between, before everything collapsed around me to that degree, and id been on more than just opiates back then. i was doing much more disgusting things to obtain the gear at that stage but i was physically much more functional. this time its like my body was saying enoughs enough.

keira stuck by me every step of the way. i was obviously desperate, i was seeking help, i was booked into detox followed by rehab (id always avoided rehab in the past) and i was promising everyone this was it, it couldnt get any worse, i was sick of being a junkie. few people believed in me but i think keira did.
so did i, sadly enough. i believed i was ready to never stick another pin in my arm again, and, unlike with meth, i didnt set boundaries with myself about using it, because theres no part of me thats ever enjoyed using heroin socially. ive come across social heroin users but im not one of them, neither can i ever see myself becoming one, so the plan was to never use it again.

it was the worst detox ive ever been through - ive come off opiates over and over again, usually in detox, but this time i had 35mg methadone to contend with, on top of the street drugs. the only way they were going to take me in at that stage was if i agreed to switch from methadone to suboxone maintenance, which wasnt an idea i was thrilled with - im sick of being tied to chemists and dealing with the doctor and caseworker, whod spent most of the time i was coming off the done trying to talk me into staying on it. but it was that or wait til i was right off the done, and by then i was running out of veins, racking up a bigger and bigger debt, and getting more and more sick, so i just went with the suboxone idea.
i spent the last 5 days before going in on a massive binge, putting smack and mistys up my arm every few hours and eating benzos on top of it to get as out of it as i could. it was kind of pointless - those days if i wanted to truly enjoy the nod i had to practically overdose. basically i just went into detox with a higher tolerance than i already had, and had to go through a benzo comedown too. my methadone script had stopped too which probably didnt help.
i spent the first 2 days puking my guts out before theyd got me up to enough suboxone to touch me, and even on 32mg im still physically uncomfortable. i felt cheated because i thought itd be some quick fix but the doctor said with the combination of the methadone that still had to get out of my body, as well as the other shit, id be pretty crook for a few weeks afterwards. id lied to them about the amount of heroin i was using and over the weekend id amped it up more than i should have - if id been honest i wouldnt have been allowed in.
unfortunately, once i was still dopesick but well enough to get up and about, the cravings became unbearable again, which has always been my past experience of coming off opiates, only this time id been told the suboxone would help with the cravings so id expected something a bit more manageable.

i only had a bed in detox for a week because theyd expected me to come out stabilised on the suboxone, so i came out still hanging out. i go to an outpatient rehab from monday - thursday, but its round the road from my dealers place and, while im finding it a really positive experience because its keeping me too occupied to notice the on-going mild withdrawals, i havent succeeded in staying clean.
so far, over the 11 days ive spent back in the real world, ive shot up 4 times. no i havent touched smack, its only been mistys, but i feel like its just a matter of time. im totally cracking.
just last night i slammed mistys in the car, having gone straight from an NA meeting to the dealers. theres something really fucking wrong with that.
the suboxone works in some ways, it makes using pretty inconvenient, but at a decent dose it still feels worth it, which means more money wasted. it hasnt reduced the cravings for the drug, and of course it cant help with the needle fixation.

i feel like im trying to do all the right things. im doing the rehab program and not worming my way out of it as i have in the past. im doing NA meetings and have a sponsor, whos very patient with me considering. im taking the suboxone whether it appears to work for me or not. im not seeking drugs out, just getting texts and calls from the dealer offering 'bargains' all the time - id told him i was quitting smack, and he was amazingly 'supportive'. he wasnt making a great profit out of smack because he doesnt actually deal it himself...he used to just score it for me at the same time and take a generous portion out for himself...i never told him i was quitting mistys becuase i didnt think id even feel like going back to them. id get a new simcard for my phone but if im really hanging i know the guys number off by heart. im not getting in touch with anyone who doesnt support what im trying to do, which is hard because those who do support me are pretty disappointed in me, or come across that way, which doesnt help.
i dont want to be a junkie anymore, i dont want to spend my life addicted to any drug - meth was just as bad - but i seem to be incapable of staying clean.

i dont really know if im looking for reassurance, answers probably none of you can give me, advice, or if im simply just venting, but if you managed to read your way though all that, thanks!!!
 
I read it.
Looks like you've got very little choice, dear drug_wench.
It's always hard to think about what you really want when you're being affected by cravings and withdrawals, and you're not quite right in the head because of it; chemicals all up and down with none of 'em in the right place.

What would you like to do?
How about five years from now?
What would you like your life to be like?
 
I'm so glad you and sweet P are still close as friends.

I'm also so glad to see you're still around. :)

I haven't read your long post yet because I'm kind of busy today but I am wishing you the best of luck with everything! PM me whenever and tell sweet P I say whats up! :)
 
good point actually...

basically id like to be able to stay straight and get my shit together - and i probably could, relatively (well you know what i mean!) easily if i didnt have texts/calls coming in from the dealer 24/7. have you noticed theyre often less reliable when you so badly need to get on you feel like your going to die if they dont get back to you? and getting cheap deals as part of a ploy to suck me back in again is smart but seems to work - he has excellent customer skills.
i can remember thinking, while i was waiting for detox 'i hate this shit. i dont care if i never see another needle in my life'. thats still true, but its still in my face and as long as it is it fucks with what i really want.

the idea of being fucked up on smack - and definitely back where i was, if not further down the track - five years from now, is frightning. id probably have done myself in by then. that was me after less than a year back on it again, and going back on methadones not going to happen.
id visuallised my future as being difficult, needing plenty of work from my end to stay clean, but slowly improving rather than getting worse. its probably getting worse because of the mistys, but im not sure how to get him out of my life when ive memorised his number, and he knows where i live. i used to invite him in so we could taste the gear together. im just one customer in a fair few but he got plenty out of me.

if i can get myself back into riding, that helped keep me clean for a year, along with the NA meetings - i can find those a trigger when people just want to dicksize about habits they had 17 years ago...but for the most they are helpful at this stage, and the assholes are the minority.
trouble is the whole aftermath of opiate withdrawal always leaves me completely overemotional, exhausted and 'up and down'. ive got to be pretty disciplined to do anything that involves a bit of work, though its easier than it was when i was actually using. going to meetings doesnt take too much effort but tramping up and down horse paddocks does. in short i cant be fucked riding. which sucks.
i keep aiming to go out to the paddock (i have someone else looking after maverick and dream) but every time i get ready something will happen. ill get in a fight with my mum or the dog will steal my socks - something really small and stupid like that - and ill turn it into a national disaster, shut myself in my room and start thinking about how terrible life is without an antedote for the pain.
it sounds crazy but im also 100% aware its normal. drugs emotionally stunt you. take them away and your a big baby again, and im aware its all an act of self-sabotage, but that doesnt make it any easier.

those questions do put things in perspective though. i quit for a reason, because my life was shit, and yea my life is still shit but realistically i didnt expect to come out of detox feeling amazing, and its less shit feeling a bit dopesick and craving drugs than spending thousands of money on something that ultimately makes me even sicker. and life is what you make of it i guess.

thanks for reading that, kerrigan, and the questions have given me something to think about.
 
Is there any way that you could combine your passion for horses and riding with getting away from your dealer for a while? I was thinking maybe volunteering to work at a stable in exchange for room and board, far enough away from where you are now to make it difficult to speak with your dealer.
 
itd be an ideal, working in a stable, and i have before - i do have a contact who owns a stable, though, while he doesnt use IV drugs and isnt into opiates, he uses a lot of meth and coke and im not 100% sure thats a good idea to be around yet, whether i crave stimulants anymore or not.

trouble is im not just dysphoric and unmotivated, i havent worked in years, am horribly unfit and my healths still poor (i have hep C and my immune systems gone to shit, so im physically fatigued most of the time). im still struggling with tacking up my own horses, let alone riding them, and even when your volunteering, if your going to work at a stable you need to be fit, healthy and efficient.

who knows where ill be once ive got my butt back in the saddle - i have to finish rehab first, which ill be going to for another 6 weeks from thursday, but after that if im starting to get back into shape its worth aiming towards. im eating healthy food and spending time outdoors, both of which im feeling better for.

i highly doubt any stable would give somebody with no qualifications (no matter how much experience i have with horses) free accomodation - but rent is pretty cheap in small towns. unfortunately, there are a lot of qualified grooms that would get a place before me in that situation, and until im through PAWS (which can go on for awhile with methadone in particular) my concentration isnt good enough to bother signing up for a course myself. stables are always looking for extra helping hands with no strings attached though!

the other thing is, when ive finished with rehab, keira lives 2hrs away from here and im always welcome down there. its just getting through these next 6 wks at the place, and id be there an extra week if i tested positive for morphine on a random piss-test, then if caught again, discharged. which is fair enough IMO - it wasnt an easy program to get into, and rehabs are under-funded in NZ, so if i cant stay clean im wasting a space on the program for somebody whos more likely to succeed.

admittedly as im typing this, im just back from said dealers place again. he needed money for christmas shopping and decided to do a 'buy 2, get one free' special. i got the text yesterday and keira was there at the time, so i felt really strong, and told him i didnt have the money. he never pressures me once hes asked if i want anything, if i actually say 'no'. i didnt think i had any money left, but when i looked in my bank this morning i saw that i did, and it was enough to get me the '3 for 2' deal.
i gave a mate one for free, so i didnt have to feel as 'wrong' for using alone, but i still dont feel great about it, since it had been decided i wasnt going to use at all.
ive never had a big issue with mistys before, though ive abused them when i couldnt get smack or homebake, so in some ways i dont know if im overreacting - its only the 5th time ive used since coming out of detox. i guess id just planned to get through rehab before even contemplating setting boundaries with myself when it came to any drugs again, especially other opiates.

the problem doesnt seem to be drugs as such, or even opiates...not when i really reflect on it. i discovered a joint in an old box of smokes, as well as a packet of oxys, in my drawer, and i had no desire to use either of those. i dont even really crave mistys (though i do crave smack) - on top of suboxone, they really arent worth the money - its mainly the needle fixation that seems to be fucking with my head, and who ever knows what you do about that one...last time i kicked the needle it took a year of placebo IV drug use (sterile water - laugh all you want, it worked...eventually i just felt disappointed by shooting up and feeling nothing, stopped associating the needle with a rush and the cravings slowly faded away), before i finally felt ready to stop. this time my veins are too shit to put up with a hell of a lot more of it and who wants to collapse a vein with IV water?

thanks for the suggestion, herbavore, it was actually a bloody good idea, and may be worth considering (well, doing a geographical change in general) in 6 weeks time. most of those small towns dont even have needle exchanges so i wouldnt know where to get the hardware, and if i was living near/with keira, shes very supportive of my efforts, and while shes been far from judgmental (which im very grateful to her for, as people looking down on me is rather triggering), even though she knows im using more morphine than is appropriate, as far as either of us are concerned, id feel so shit being on drugs of any description (except weed) round her itd prey on my conscience if i kept at it. it certainly did with the heroin!
 
<3 Heya darlin, sorry to hear of your current state of affairs. I'm certainly in no position to advise you or anyone else-
seein as how Id been clean 27 months, yet the last 9 months workn my steps, goin to NA, tryn to find out from doc over
$600 worth lab tests later--wtf is causing this infernal chronic fatigue & why. Granted, my bad, for doin what I did, which
had been an currently is--to treat my condition by self medicating with IV meth. Yes, its been a fun ride in most respects
and yes the best part I love more than anything on even just daily maintainence meth and/or Rx pks is the fact that I got
my creative groove back. It puzzles me to this day when I know drugs don't give me any creativity, but all I can figure perhaps
it's not that they add anything, but more about what they take away, mainly this crappy sober voice of negative reason that
seemed hell bent on throwing up road blocks to any sort of literary future. That, and the fact I simply wasnt in the mindset
to want to enjoy let alone actually enjoy the fuck out of my own private quirky playground.

I tried to meditate over an over, always failed at being successful blocking out the thinking or subvocalization even 2 yrs later.
Or maybe, I had been a robot in a past life stuck on pete an repeat haha. Not to say, the clean gig for day to day livin
an tedious responsibilities I now find soo infernal humdrum an dull, no contest. However, fact is regardless of my reasons, I was
unwilling to endure this flippin fatigue with no end in sight-& the doc could only rule out this fatigue isnt due to my hep c I
was diagnosed with back in 1998 and its NOT due to kidney malfunction.

While I managed to maintain daily meth/speed use as daily reprieve against fatigue that sinks its teeth and sucks what
life force/little energy I have if not self medicating-even one lousy day-with either a small dose of IV meth or a dose of Rx pills orally.
I know that even clean 27 months, as much gratitude and positive attitude shift I enjoyed, fact was/is in terms of strictly
physical chemical dopamine perspective NOTHING no activity, no drug, no person, no other method of ingesting a certain
drug ever even came close or compaired to a spike of dopamine to 1200 ng/dl? (however its measured scientifically) The feeling is
intense, long, hard, ongoing rush that most sane people would rather do without.

So, when I listened to this dude relate his dilemma reguarding base jumping-& how anything else seems tedious and dull
by comparison, I couldn't help but feel a kinship with him even though he has never touched much less IVed anything (though dont
recommend) and I have never base jumped or sky dived, though given the financial means, I'd gladly go off with him bounding an chasing
a different dragon on some insane quest to find yet another higher cliff, each spot more dangerous than the last because when I see the rush
in an exhilirated driven smile the second he's in the zone, I so totally get him. And he gets me too. No explanations necessary.

There is a hint of sadness felt on the other hand when this guilt is on his face cause base jumping is (literally apparently) to die for, yet
is no different than the secret life of yours truly. Chasing his own chemicals requires having to take expensive flights to places he can
base legally-or like me risk getn busted breakn the law. Its not the most prudent hobby either financially an all the time it takes
chasing, getting, recovering from coming down and chasing again. We're not all that different. Small world I guess. I dont know about you, but as early as I can remember, I was all for ways and means of getting this rush from swings, motorcycles, amuzement park coasters, copters you name it. When I finally got to meet some of my biological relatives from birth fathers family, we were blown away discovering we apparently have this dopamine seekers gene pool in common. Im the only one that is a drug user, but pops got mega rushes robbing armoured truckss, fighting, bikes,muscle cars ect. And likewise, opiate lovers Im convinced are so for a reason an its important to CHOOSE YOUR GENES WISELY.

That said, I can only offer experiences from the past that had worked fairly well. Once for 2 yrs I abstained from meth 3-4 months,
took off a week, no work,no phones, no driving, no leaving the house, no responsibilities, bought a teen shot the whole thing in 5 days, recovered last 2 days, then back to work. Rules were no dope in house except on vacation, then buy no more til next vacation. No hangin with other active users using except during vacation. This had obvious advantages an for a time had allowed me best of both worlds among normies and didnt exclude or completely ban my inner fiend.

I had asked a friend of mine that lives in Sydney, Au how shed feel about doin the ibogaine detox-that naturally is, of course illegal in the USA,
but legal just about everywhere else in the world. She told me its not yet accepted in Oz, but that NZ did have ibo detox clinics. So, food for thought. Peace out TJ
 
thanks for sharing that, TJ.
i looked at ibogaine treatment when my crystal meth addiction was at its peak. at that point ibogaine had just hit NZ - a friend of mine was one of the people that lobbied to get the clinics started, and legalised, over here. ive seen it work for other people and read countless stories of success on the net so i was really keen.
sadly im an epileptic, so i dont qualify for ibogaine treatment. ive never had a dangerous seizure so i think its a bit unreasonable but i guess rules are made for a reason and i know ibogaine can cause seizures.
i dont think its exactly common on the streets here, if even sourcable, either, so dosing myself isnt going to happen.

addiction does seem to be genetic to at least some degree and i know studies have backed that one up. i dont know if you can be 'born' more prone to becoming a meth addict, opiate addict, etc., but i do believe you can be 'born' more prone to becoming an addict in general.
like you, i chased different highs before discovering drugs - sugar was my first DOC, competitive horse riding is an amazing rush (especially over the jumps) and im fatally attracted to horror movies even if they scare the shit out of me. its all about sensations, and the idea of people not living to get a 'feeling' from everything they do is alien to me.
however none of my immediate family have been 'thrill chasers', except me, and only one member of my extended family also chases adrenaline rushes - my cousin, who also ended up addicted to meth. as for 'endorphin chasers' - same thing - and again, i only have heroin addiction in my veins (if you excuse the pun) in a distant way, via 2 of my mums cousins, who are both clean now.
so, even though weve all tried drugs, ive kind of been the black sheep.

using only during vacation wouldnt be the best idea for me because i dont have a job! i think its a good idea though, because your right, its pretty hard to hang round with just 'normies' - ive tried and we have little to say to each other (i have one good friend who doesnt use anymore and isnt an addict, but shes moved down to christchurch now) - and if its possible to set aside times to use, and isolate those people from your life until the times right, thats perfect.
those are the kind of things i mean by boundaries, and amazingly, for me, they have worked with various drugs. i just cant see them ever working with smack because ive always used it alone, or dont enjoy socialising on it. i seem to be able to socialise, and enjoy socialising on, mistys - i dont have the same desire to lie there for hours by myself, shutting out the world - but its still IV opiates, and i still feel a little uncomfortable about the fact im using them just because a dealers offering them to me cheap, even on days its really not desirable to be using because of the possibility of a drug test within the next 3 days.
in my mind thats not using because ive made the choice to use.
 
Lydia long time no see!!!! Hope you are doing better. I will pray for you sis.
 
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