Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

[December Flower]

Shit, if i am into spying and the dark craft i would wanna be a part of every organization.

Even if joining said organisation means said organisation will place weapons, tanks, troops, etc inside your country?

Sometimes I wonder if Muricans know how NATO operates outside of Murica
no offense, but it's far too popular and "o just a lil defense pact"-y for what it does..

 

[PtahTek]

Even if joining said organisation means said organisation will place weapons, tanks, troops, etc inside your country?

Yep. Free weapons, vehicles, resources and pows to build an empire. Just flip the crip real quick whaddaya do?

offense? lol good luck. i dgaf about anything in political realms. its all a joke to me. but not the laughing kind. bunch of bullshitters makin the monies.

 

[December Flower]

Yep. Free weapons, vehicles, resources and pows to build an empire. Just flip the crip real quick whaddaya do?

offense? lol good luck. i dgaf about anything in political realms. its all a joke to me. but not the laughing kind. bunch of bullshitters makin the monies.

Resources controlled by the US government. An attack against any NATO installations is an attack against all of NATO,
every NATO nation would have to go to war with Russia. Sounds like a bad fucking deal if you consider them your enemies, which he didn't, back then.
But the US refusing, that just means "hey, you're the enemy." - this was before he had even done anything

how can you not doubt every bit of convenient media information?
Jesus, we Germans started the Wochenschau, the US perfected it.

Also dark craft?

the dark craft

source?

and don't give me the latest issue of Sieg Heil America

 

[Illyria99]

I agree with the Ukrainian army, it's time for the Fourth Reich


It is that, but it is not just that. It's also things like

teaching granny to shoot while non-chalantly wearing a Wolfsangel on your arm

hanging out with friends

fun, and also very non-chalant parades with giant fucking Wolfsangeln(these guys are part of the army now and celebrated like heroes)

mess a little with traffic control towers (2014)

declaring Russian civilians separatists in Ukraine and light up their scenery (also 2014), and all of that government-sanctioned

beautiful bunch (the army & gov)

I honestly don't fucking get it. 8 years ago it was "Ukrainian government-sanctioned attacks against Russian Civilians, "Separatists"(declared so by Ukraine gov) living in the East of Ukraine", all over the fucking news - they were called "rebels" back then, here at least.
Insert Corona-Mindjerk, nobody fucking remembers. Over-saturated with news in form of constantly changing Corona laws and various panics.

They just changed the entire narrative.
Am I going crazy or did they flip the narrative on its head?

Holy shit, those pics are SUCH propaganda. So obviously staged. Especially that one with the old woman!

What a load of bullshit. If I had ANY sympathy for the Ukraine, it's utterly GONE now.

 

[December Flower]

Holy those pics are SUCH propaganda. So obviously staged. Especially that one with the old woman!

What a load of bullshit. If I had ANY sympathy for the Ukraine, it's utterly GONE now.

Yeah the one with the old woman was actually staged, you usually only see the other point of view

it was actually Western propaganda, they just showed this one everywhere because..yknow, no wolfsangel in the shot.

 

[Illyria99]

Yeah the one with the old woman was actually staged, you usually only see the other point of view

it was actually Western propaganda, they just showed this one everywhere because..yknow, no wolfsangel in the shot.

And all these American celebrities jumping in to support the Ukrainians is so...typical. Most of them have NO fucking clue about what's going on. They're just trying to show the world how caring and empathetic they are.

I think a lot of them are thrilled to protest SOMETHING, since they missed the Vietnam thing. Idiots.

 

[Electrum1]

Yeah the one with the old woman was actually staged, you usually only see the other point of view

it was actually Western propaganda, they just showed this one everywhere because..yknow, no wolfsangel in the shot.

I hate seeing pics of those vintage bakelite ak mags because they cost a lot in the U.S. while at the same time I can find pics from outside of the U.S. of them being used by the 1000's to fill muddy holes in roads, lol. People here in the U.S. see them as rare, which they may very well be in the U.S. Some are 40 round mags too, and I'm jealous I can't get them for cheap.

 

[PtahTek]

Sieg Heil America

I guess people dream, yeah?
No source needed... just a rumination is all. 2 cent if you will. a few more bull shit words to mingle with the rest.
Posting a lot of hitlerish content... ya in wit day PBs? lol
Way past that.... way.
Im on my way out. Really, who cares? I just feel for the little people that live in confusion, destitution and trapped in an institution. No way out for any of us. Well....
Imma go over here for a minute. Pride is akin to narcissism imo and its an ugly thing to deal with ime. I can only take so much at a time before getting anxious. Putin. Biden. Trump. etc
Best wishes

dark craft

Wasnt referencing anything other that spycraft. Covert actions as opposed to overt (in the light). CIA? KGB? SIS? Too much has not been said.

 

[Robi]

oh i apoligize for my vulgar language. you are probably a kid, or a soccer mom. my sincere apologies !!

*redacted a bunch of slurs and bullshit*

you DID NOT say soccer mom did YOU!?!?!

 

[Fire&Water]

He's purty funny!

 

[Robi]

 

[Robi]

He's purty funny!

from todays posts , he is very bummed,maybe purty, but not funny, you on the other hand mistah! are

 

[papercuts]

Putin has a weird admiration for America in general
He would have sucked that NATO dick so hard,
but US needs enemies to keep people busy looking at their mistakes

If the NATO countries had wanted an alliance with Russia/Putin they could have all signed papers but it would have fallen apart by now.
I think Putin would have benefitted from access to intelligence and been less willing to share his own intelligence, it wouldn't have stopped this conflict.
This is not a NATO matter, but I agree it was alarming to Russia how many of it's neighbours joined. Don't you agree that they did it because they were scared of Russia doing just what they are now doing to Ukraine?

 

[Xorkoth]

I tend to think that if a sovereign nation wants to join NATO, they should be able to. It's their decision. If I was Ukraine I would want to, I mean look at Crimea and Georgia, the track record for Russia's neighbors that used to be part of the USSR is not good. Not saying there isn't aggression from the part of NATO, but what would you have done if you were Ukraine?

 

[December Flower]

If the NATO countries had wanted an alliance with Russia/Putin they could have all signed papers but it would have fallen apart by now.
I think Putin would have benefitted from access to intelligence and been less willing to share his own intelligence, it wouldn't have stopped this conflict.
This is not a NATO matter, but I agree it was alarming to Russia how many of it's neighbours joined. Don't you agree that they did it because they were scared of Russia doing just what they are now doing to Ukraine?

That's a quite casual "natural cause" you describe, only issue is that it's entirely fictional.
If the US had accepted Russia as their possible allies, no..we would probably not be in this situation.
Putin as I said used to have a huge admiration for the US, and would have joined NATO, warts and all.

Instead they ridiculed Russia for over 30 years, plotted to destroy the USSR by discovering and funding a power-hungry man, i.e Yeltsin.
The USA is so fucking good at coups it's scary shit.

If the countries were scared of Russia, they wouldn't have joined NATO. It's actually that they weren't scared of Russia.
Also joining NATO isn't just from one day to the next, so until joining NATO Russia would still have some weird old Soviet contracts to hold over them, only allowed to be socialist states etc, The Lenin Agreement. Why didn't Russia do the same with Poland?
For the record: Why did Russia let Germany reunite without a single shot fired? Maybe they aren't the evil fucks your media tells you they are, just a thought..
Germany has a lot to be thankful for towards Russia, and we have a lot we feel very sorry for, like betraying them not once, but twice on a big fucking scale(World Wars) - they used to be our brothers, Prussia and Russia, we betrayed them so hard ._: I mean we fucked them over, they forgave us, and then we fucked them over again, Jesus

Russia turned a blind eye to obvious NATO provocations 5 times, by watching its neighbours join NATO,
the organisation that indirectly told him "You are our enemy, fucker" without even knowing him or what he would do..
If he had ignored them 6 times nobody would take him seriously. Especially ignoring it when the country is so fucking vital to Russia. They have the easiest way into Russia, one that is practically undefendable, all the oil stuff aside, just from a location standpoint. His country was becoming a laughing stock, now he does have the respect he wanted.
Right now he might be the most feared person on the planet.

Srsly on a certain level Putin just wants to be globally respected, and not seen as some joke of a so-called "third world country"

Only in America can the government plunder the world for 80+ years,
bombing civilians, taking the treasures and resources, installing a "democratic" puppet,
but once another country leads one war their people shout "EVIL EVIL EVIL!"


fucking hypocrites

 

[December Flower]

I guess people dream, yeah?
No source needed... just a rumination is all. 2 cent if you will. a few more bull shit words to mingle with the rest.
Posting a lot of hitlerish content... ya in wit day PBs? lol
Way past that.... way.
Im on my way out. Really, who cares? I just feel for the little people that live in confusion, destitution and trapped in an institution. No way out for any of us. Well....
Imma go over here for a minute. Pride is akin to narcissism imo and its an ugly thing to deal with ime. I can only take so much at a time before getting anxious. Putin. Biden. Trump. etc
Best wishes

Wasnt referencing anything other that spycraft. Covert actions as opposed to overt (in the light). CIA? KGB? SIS? Too much has not been said.

I don't understand the first part.
Is who in what? I don't even..
COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK GERMAN?! english

I don't understand the "way out" really. Are you committing suicide?
I would thoroughly think through such a decision, because you cannot take it back.
They say practice makes perfect, but

Oh, you should use the word spycraft then, because "dark craft" sounds like voodoo had a baby with cthulu summoning

 

[December Flower]

I tend to think that if a sovereign nation wants to join NATO, they should be able to. It's their decision. If I was Ukraine I would want to, I mean look at Crimea and Georgia, the track record for Russia's neighbors that used to be part of the USSR is not good. Not saying there isn't aggression from the part of NATO, but what would you have done if you were Ukraine?

Yeah ofc the Ukraine is just a pawn moving the way it has to, straight forward. (sometimes diagonally but forget that bit)
Their hatred of Russia is absolutely understandable, given that NATO and Russia played Chess in their country for the last 10 years

It's just their love of NATO that's absolutely fucking bonkers. But looks like Selenskyj is finally ready to talk neutrality, that's all Putin wants (for now, ofc)

 

[papercuts]

That's a quite casual "natural cause" you describe, only issue is that it's entirely fictional.
If the US had accepted Russia as their possible allies, no..we would probably not be in this situation.
Putin as I said used to have a huge admiration for the US, and would have joined NATO, warts and all.

Instead they ridiculed Russia for over 30 years, plotted to destroy the USSR by discovering and funding a power-hungry man, i.e Yeltsin.

If they were scared of Russia, they wouldn't have joined NATO.
Also joining NATO isn't just from one day to the next. Why didn't Russia do the same with Poland?
For the record: Why did Russia let Germany reunite without a single shot fired? Maybe they aren't the evil fucks your media tells you they are, just a thought..

Russia turned a blind eye to obvious NATO provocations 5 times, by watching its neighbours join NATO,
the organisation that indirectly told him "You are our enemy, fucker" without even knowing him or what he would do..
If he had ignored them 6 times nobody would take him seriously. His country was becoming a laughing stock, now he does have the respect he wanted.
Right now he might be the most feared person on the planet.

Srsly on a certain level Putin just wants to be globally respected, and not seen as some joke of a so-called "third world country"

Only in America can the government plunder the world for 80+ years,
bombing civilians, taking the treasures and resources, installing a "democratic" puppet,
but once another country leads one war it's "EVIL EVIL EVIL!"


fucking hypocrites

When First World was a term, it referred to the USA and the USSR as superpowers. The Nato countries and Warsaw pact countries were second world and bizarrely Switzerland, Ireland and others were labelled as third world along with nearly all developing nations, which in itself is a strange term because all nations are developing no matter how rich or poor.
So I don't think Russia has ever been in the category of Third World, it's always had a lot of power.
I always thought Russia was a fascinating country and I remember Yeltsin too.
I think the Iraq war and other wars were wrong in every way, what is the connection other than those countries losing respect and becoming pariahs themselves for a short while?
I think Putin has no business telling his neighbours what to do, it's not a violent provacation to sign a defense treaty and Ukraine did not sign up to NATO anyway.
I don't understand the oil thing either, how does buying more oil from Saudi and less from Russia help the world, did they not hear about Yemen?
There are valid points that can be made, but your posts don't make a lot of sense.
To say Putin had to invade Ukraine because NATO exists and Ukraine might have joined it, which is somehow a terribly aggressive piece of paper to sign and not express any sympathy towards the millions of displaced civilians, but you're concerned for Putin's hurt feelings of being left out of the club?
Good grief.
I'm not American or any of the Nato nationalities either, I didn't prejudge the situation as being an us and them, I just see the pictures and I feel confident that no way on earth is this some kind of hoax.

 

[December Flower]

When First World was a term, it referred to the USA and the USSR as superpowers. The Nato countries and Warsaw pact countries were second world and bizarrely Switzerland, Ireland and others were labelled as third world along with nearly all developing nations, which in itself is a strange term because all nations are developing no matter how rich or poor.
So I don't think Russia has ever been in the category of Third World, it's always had a lot of power.
I always thought Russia was a fascinating country and I remember Yeltsin too.
I think the Iraq war and other wars were wrong in every way, what is the connection other than those countries losing respect and becoming pariahs themselves for a short while?
I think Putin has no business telling his neighbours what to do, it's not a violent provacation to sign a defense treaty and Ukraine did not sign up to NATO anyway.
I don't understand the oil thing either, how does buying more oil from Saudi and less from Russia help the world, did they not hear about Yemen?
There are valid points that can be made, but your posts don't make a lot of sense.
To say Putin had to invade Ukraine because NATO exists and Ukraine might have joined it, which is somehow a terribly aggressive piece of paper to sign and not express any sympathy towards the millions of displaced civilians, but you're concerned for Putin's hurt feelings of being left out of the club?
Good grief.
I'm not American or any of the Nato nationalities either, I didn't prejudge the situation as being an us and them, I just see the pictures and I feel confident that no way on earth is this some kind of hoax.

The oil thing is very simple
So in 2014 fucking large oil deposits were found in Ukraine. Ukraine pending on joining NATO "somewhen" has no own way of gathering the oil proficiently and selling it, so Western companies, like Shell, give Ukraine money to harvest the oil, the whole thing was already happening, they moved fucking fast.

Now imagine you are Russia in that clusterfuck of a situation. About 80-90% of your money comes from oil. The NATO has been cornering you (look at NATO maps these past 30 years, after the reunification of Germany which was sanctioned by the USSR, NATO promised not to move further east when Germany reunited. Just look at a map


If pending NATO member sells oil under the wing of Western-backed companies, Russia is out of the oil business in Europe for the foreseeable future. If Russia is out of the oil business in Europe, Russia is dead.

If you want the long explanation, this video is quite informative
bit too pro-NATO for my tastes, but explains the situation very well from a geopolitical standpoint.


You should pay attention to modern day Russia, it is nothing like the USSR, it is completely failing on all fronts.
For at least the last 30 years

Oh this is far from being a hoax. It's a very complex situation that is advertised as a simple "that guy is the bad guy" narrative
He fucking begged NATO to back off, he kept begging and they kept taking, what would you do? srsly

 

[deficiT]

So I don't think Russia has ever been in the category of Third World, it's always had a lot of power.
I always thought Russia was a fascinating country and I remember Yeltsin too.

Before the USSR was formed, like during the first World War, Russia was comparatively way far behind in regards to technology to the rest of Europe and the West.

They were fighting tanks riding on horseback is a common euphemism regarding the first world war for Russia.

The industrial revolution that took place under a planned economy catapulted the USSR into global power territory.