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Wars, Invasions, & Imperialism Thread v. Ukraine & Russia

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i just want to know why it wasn't a big deal that Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Czech, Slovakia, all the Yugoslavian countries, all joined NATO and it wasn't a big deal

now it is a big deal? to the point that Sweden and Finland are being threatened now?

and didn't Finland already give Russia a beaten the last time they tried to invade them?


im not so sure an attack on a sovereign nation is gonna convince a country that they shouldn't join....i think it might make them more eager to join now

NATO was almost obsolete....and now it's not.....
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
i just want to know why it wasn't a big deal that Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Czech, Slovakia, all the Yugoslavian countries, all joined NATO and it wasn't a big deal

now it is a big deal? to the point that Sweden and Finland are being threatened now?

and didn't Finland already give Russia a beaten the last time they tried to invade them?


im not so sure an attack on a sovereign nation is gonna convince a country that they shouldn't join....i think it might make them more eager to join now

NATO was almost obsolete....and now it's not.....
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Well.Fins,latvians,estonians,romanians are different nations,albeit baltic states were once time part of the Soviets.Aggressively movements on Nato eastern front of miliatarry presence and talks,about Ukraine go to Nato...thats obvious that cannot stand without strong opposite from Russia.Historically Russia have more power and present infuence on this land(especially Eastern parts)then west.War in Yugoslavia was far from Russia.Still remember when US bombards Serbia..blast hearing from west suburbs of capital,which is 50-60km from Serbia.Belgrade was hitten badly.Still crates on buildings even now...Saw them before three four years....there no solid internet now in Ukraine..our program have couple of guys there-full massive war scenario.Fear of Horror...its Horror
 
I was listening to an interview this morning with some or the other “expert” from NATO and there gonna be a big problem if this moves to one of the other NATO countries because they cannot NOT act because if they don’tthat will send a very bad signal to other authoritarian “rulers”. Made sense to me and if they do act now: gonna cause some major shit in Europe and will pull a lot more countries into the firing line.And that could result in something major. Russia cannot afford to send ground troops to half the countries in Europe and maintain such deployments on a just in case basis. Leaves Russia with very few options
 
dalpat077 said:
Russia cannot afford to send ground troops to half the countries in Europe
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It is my belief that spreading ones forces too thin is the cause of every attempt at world domination in history failing. And, yes, sooner or later others will get tired of the BS and gang up on the bully... whoever that may be.
 
Speaking of Finland I read a joke the other day when the Fins. Were protecting their borders before that last invasion (the one soldier said to the other one: why Russia sending so many troops to our small country. The other one said nothing to worry about but where we gonna bury them all). Something like that and I probably got it wrong
 
6am-64-14m said:
It is my belief that spreading ones forces too thin is the cause of every attempt at world domination in history failing. And, yes, sooner or later others will get tired of the BS and gang up on the bully... whoever that may be.
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I believe your belief to be correct. In this case though: point being there only one way to get at NATO troops somewhere in the middle of Europe and that is from the air (missile strikes and none of the little ones either).

The thing that I do not understand and battle to comprehend in all of this: take a look at Russia today. Would it be such a travesty to live underRussian “rule”.almost without exception the interviews I have listened to with Ukrainian’s citizens they will fight purely to defend civil rights and civil liberties and this liberal democracy bullshit. I don’t get. And I think they need to be reminded that it is not the USSR or Communism coming. What I am saying is that to be a part of President Putin’s Russia: they could do far worse and from what I gather this Zelensky and his own cronies are no angels either.
 
dalpat077 said:
I was listening to an interview this morning with some or the other “expert” from NATO and there gonna be a big problem if this moves to one of the other NATO countries because they cannot NOT act because if they don’tthat will send a very bad signal to other authoritarian “rulers”. Made sense to me and if they do act now: gonna cause some major shit in Europe and will pull a lot more countries into the firing line.And that could result in something major. Russia cannot afford to send ground troops to half the countries in Europe and maintain such deployments on a just in case basis. Leaves Russia with very few options
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Still urge myself to believe,that this can dissolve quick.Zelensky not content with sanctions and otha bullshit.Ukraine is on the map and world peace lies on this.This shit never happened from WW2...nobody knows what can be..Ukranians even fighting for last blood could not withstand longer than a week.Why to die this people?The West can put sanctions and thats all...other is obliterationNow there is a Big Shit in the world.Bigger than any before...this will hit EU more than Russia.God's Will...yeh..deffin can only pray and welcomed the refugees
 
dalpat077 said:
Speaking of Finland I read a joke the other day when the Fins. Were protecting their borders before that last invasion (the one soldier said to the other one: why Russia sending so many troops to our small country. The other one said nothing to worry about but where we gonna bury them all). Something like that and I probably got it wrong
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Russian fight with huge loses Fins.War in Carelia"Winter War" in early years of WW2.Fins ressist fiercly,but lost Carelia
 
i think they're just mad because they lost to Finland for the gold medal in mens hockey

might as well threaten them now while the country is still upset about the loss right?

i always liked Mikka Kiprusoff - he was my favorite goalie when he was on Calgary


you're not supposed to have a war during the olympics

that's the problem nowadays - poor sportsmanship

i saw rocky 4 i know how the russians cheat

fucks
 
An adviser to Zelenskiy said Ukraine was prepared for talks with Russia, including on staying neutral, one of Moscow’s pre-war demands. The Kremlin said it had offered talks in the Belarusian capital Minsk, but that Ukraine had proposed Warsaw instead and there was now a “pause” in contacts.
 
www.dailymail.co.uk

World watches on as Ukraine REFUSES to surrender in bloody war

More remarkable footage emerged this morning as the war in Ukraine entered its third day.
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Russian tank runs out of fuel on Ukrainian road

Footage shows four soldiers standing around a tank which has been abandoned in the middle of the road.

A car pulls up alongside and the driver begins what appears to be a friendly conversation with the fighters.

The soldiers are understood to have said that they were out of gas, to which the driver jokingly offers to tow them back to Russia.

The Russians then ask for news on how they are doing in the war, to which the driver tells them Ukraine is winning, Russians are surrendering and implies they should too.


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Amidst all this, can someone hexplain:

What exactly is Russia hoping to accomplish with invasion?

Is Russia not large enough already?

Is this like a cultural/ego thing?
 
JohnBoy2000 said:
Amidst all this, can someone hexplain:

What exactly is Russia hoping to accomplish with invasion?

Is Russia not large enough already?

Is this like a cultural/ego thing?
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Well sometime yesterday he made it surpsringly clear that he wants to install a more Rrussian friendly puppet government. It was apparently broadcast and I will try find it. His being so forthright about his intentions apparently took more than a few by surprise and caught them off guard the other school of thought is that he wants to create barrier/buffer states between a Russia and the rest of Europe/East .Personally I do not believe this has anything to do with putting the USSR together again. He has been more than scathing of Communism and the way the USSR went about things and the general setup back then mind you there appears to be a divide i.e. some lament the loss of the USSR and appears to me they terrritorrial as in the bigger the better and then there is the way that it was done these countries just decided one day to give the President at the time the middle finger and broke away from the USSR and on that score probably qualify as illegitimate nations. A lot of the shit that is going on now has its roots going way back when hence my fact checking history thread it’s all in there. As with China/ Taiwan: same story there is a history to all of this i.e. not something that just came out of the blue. But few could be arsed to check these things. Much easier and quicker to come out guns blazing and call him a madman or assume he has lost the plot. And if it is merely to increase the territorial size then so what? Good luck to him if he can pull it off. Don'raee roo mny pwoplw bitxhinf and moaning about Israel's overreach Thwy just doing it by sltealh, and slowly but surely and without a big noise.
 
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