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***WARNING*** Possible PMA Pills - Melbourne - Pink Alligator/Crocodile

It is impossible to regulate some chemicals. The starting material for PMA is used in the flavouring and confectionary industries.
Actually, at one time so was the starting material for MDMA.
 
now there's someone on pillreports saying that there is a diff batch of pink gators with green specks thru it and rated it 8. and then they went on to say that they had mda and wait for it..... coke in them.
my advice is, no matter what anyone tells you, don't buy pink gators, even if they got green specks thru them!
[ 12 March 2003: Message edited by: sonic_reality ]
 
thanks for the backup guys. keep away people.
remember, if u have sweaty/wet hands and hold a pill they are sometimes known to change colour. what you may think is a pink pill with green specks may in fact be a pink pill with blue specs.
even if its a last resort, go without.
[ 12 March 2003: Message edited by: liv3parts ]
 
Coke in pills AHAHAHAHAHHA
if a chemist wanted to make ANY money whatsoever, he/she wouldnt be putting COKE into his/her pills.
coke is very, very expensive - and when eaten, it doesnt do much (in small quantities)
 
An EXTREME test (anyone) would resolve this situation quick smart i'd suggest.
Liv3parts: When you said it tested brown then clear was that with E1/EZ (Marquis) or E2 (Mandelin)?
In case anyone does not understand, PMA on an extreme test SHOULD do the following:
EZ: colourless
Simons: colourless
Robadope: salmon
So only one reagent will change colour, indicating a primary amine which is NOT amphetamine or MDA.
This is an extremely likely confirmation of PMA as there are a scarce amount of substances found in "pills" which would provide these results.
ANd please note: there are some non-EZ-testing people out there who MAY rate a PMA pill as highly as an 8.
Its not a benign substance; its certainly highly dangerous as we know, but it does have psychoactive effects and could be mistaken for the substances people have already assumed they were buying.
 
as a major co-incidence, ask shulghin online has PMA and what are it's effects.
located here as of 13/03/03.
page is:
What is PMA and what are its effects? --Anon
Dear Anon:
PMA is the abbreviation for para-methoxyamphetamine, or 4- methoxyamphetamine, or 4-MA.
Amphetamine itself has been well known and widely used both clinically and recreationally as a stimulant and an anorexic from the 1930s. I remember in the 1940s the use of benzedrine inhalers, which were allegedly for bronchial clearing but in reality were for driving through the night without sleep stops or food stops. Or, for studying through the night before a final.
You had no hunger. You were totally alert. Your pulse and blood pressure was up a bit as well. But there was no psychedelic trip there.
One of the very earliest compounds that I personally explored at some depth was an amphetamine with three methoxy substituents on that normally bare benzene ring. This was 3,4,5-trimethoxyamphetamine which was, quite logically, called TMA. It was first looked at in Canada in the mid-1950s as an agent that could distort stroboscope-induced visual patterns. I published a scientific paper in the British journal Nature in 1961, describing its human actions as being psychedelic, and this effectively defined the direction that my research would go for the next 40 years.
My total concentration was, at that time, directed to changes in substitution groups that might alter or modify the nature of the psychotropic effects that were observed. A few years later, the thought occurred to me that, rather than changing the identity of the groups, why not change the number of the groups. The move from zero to three substituents went from amphetamine to trimethoxyamphetamine, from stimulant to psychedelic. What would be the effect of amphetamine with just one substituent?
In early 1967 I synthesized and began tasting the known compound, 4-methoxyamphetamine, and found that it primarily had psychedelic effects at about 60 milligrams. But there was a second effect that was quite disturbing. There was considerable cardiovascular stimulation as well. Some of the TMA effects were clearly there, but some of the amphetamine effects were coming through as well.
I worked with a psychiatrist in New York who felt that this compound (PMA) might be a metabolic source of 4-hydroxyamphetamine, a known metabolite of amphetamine. Could the problems seen with excessive amphetamine use (he asked me) be due to a single chemical that could come from amphetamine or PMA? He explored PMA on several normal subjects, and was disturbed by the obvious cardiovascular stimulation.
I've wondered why this compound was chosen by some synthetic person or persons out there, to be made available to the "ecstasy" market as a substitute for MDMA. Initially I though it might be a reflection of an early study done at the University of Edinburgh that PMA was the most potent hallucinogen that had been studied, second only to LSD. But that was in rats, not in man.
I now believe the reason is much more practical. For the synthesis of MDA and of MDMA, the favorite starting material is the essential oil Isosafrole. And there has been an intense attempt by the law enforcement authorities to restrict the availability of this chemical. However, a closely related essential oil is Anethole and it is readily available from chemical supply houses at a few dollars a pound, with no apparent restrictions on its sale. And if you are completely set up with all the chemicals, equipment and know-how to make MDA or MDMA and you only lack the starting material, you would convert Anethole directly to PMA and the N-methyl counterpart, PMMA. This latter drug has also been seen recently in the Rave world.
The second half of the question was, what are the effects of PMA? At low levels, a seductive psychotropic buzz. Nice. At slightly higher levels, the clear effects of heart stimulation and blood pressure rise. Not nice. There have been reports of deaths associated with the use of PMA.
I would suggest staying away from this compound.
--Dr. Shulgin
[ 13 March 2003: Message edited by: wazza ]
 
Exactly, and it's from THE doctor!
Seriously, anything that ends with the signature "---Dr. Shulgin" I take to heart.
I think if I saw:
"Drink embalming fluid in copious quantities and go masterbate at your local convenience store. Then send me all your money. --- Dr. Shulgin"
I would definitely do it ;)
In any case, I don't think anyone really wants to make or use PMA, it's just another terrible byproduct of the "war on drugs". Listen to Sasha, and keep those test kits handy :)
--- G.
[ 13 March 2003: Message edited by: Morrison's Lament ]
 
Wow, I'd never seen that thread, that's tragic stuff :(
PMA is not something to fuck with, I wasn't too far from dying from SS during a pilling session one time and was later told it was probably due to PMA.
It's fekkin poison :(
 
Lucky as

After reading this, I am soo lucky that I didnt end up finding any googies at a rave I was at around about the time this was first posted, Thank-god I wanted to try speed, knowing my luck, I would of scored one of those bastards!

Thanks Bl for watching out our arses!
 
the 6 PMA deaths from adeliade were from those pills

i just read an article today saying that what they had were crocs.

STAY AWAY PPL!

i also had a run-in with a dodgey PMA pill saturday from my own stupid reasons and also

SAY AWAY FROM A NEW BATCH OF PEACE SIGN PILLS
 
I managed to get some of these tested in a full lab and the results showed no PMA.

I havent' officially been told the full results yet, as we are still working out the protocol for these tests, but I can say that there was no PMA present, and the main active ingrediant was ketamine.

This is good news, for a couple of reasons. Firstly Capt Caveman can relax a little, knowing he hasn't ingested PMA, although the experience was bad enough as it was. Also we are now setting up a system where by we can hopefully do more tests like this.

Keep in mind that this is apoltical minefield and we have just started edging our way across it. One wrong move and it could be all over, but at least we're in it now. It has taken three long, arduous years to get even close to it, and this is just the first step. But at least we are starting to get results, real results that can help people.
 
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