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☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

Swerz said:
None of the toxicity details of Bromo that I've read match what's happened to these poor bastards
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Likewise. Plus, on top of that, those who've done less than 1 MG, of which we have heard of a couple, should have had at least halfway decent experiences.

Nobody's had a good time with this stuff yet.
 
Swerz said:
None of the toxicity details of Bromo that I've read match what's happened to these poor bastards
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There's never been any human trials of Bromo-Fly. I think you are both thinking of Bromo-Dragonfly, which is a different substance.

But, yeah, you'd think Bromo-Fly would be less toxic than Bromo-Dragonfly, and it wouldn't hospitalize people at <1mg. Who knows though, no one outside of Nichols has synthed it as far as I know.
 
Irregardless, I honestly have come to the conclusion we probably have a batch thats half drug, have something else entirely much akin to psychedelic rat poison....
 
Swerz said:
Go back a couple posts and you'll see what we're talking about
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I did and I still don't understand, there's been tests on Bromo-Fly?

delsymfan said:
Irregardless, I honestly have come to the conclusion we probably have a batch thats half drug, have something else entirely much akin to psychedelic rat poison....
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Agreed. Probably something psychedelic and something toxic. Like the old LSD and strychnine rumors, but true...

I hope joanmiro is okay. I notice he's offline now. I'll be praying for him (even if I don't believe in god).
 
From Wiki Entry said:
The toxicity of Bromo-DragonFLY is unknown for humans however at least three reports of death believed to be resulted from Bromo-DragonFLY have been reported in Norway[4], Sweden[5] and Denmark[6][7]

Also, a Swedish man had to have the front part of his feet and several fingers on one hand amputated after taking a massive overdose. Apparently the compound acted as a long-acting efficacious vasoconstrictor, leading to necrosis and gangrene which was delayed by several weeks after the overdose occurred. Several other cases have also been reported of severe peripheral vasoconstriction following overdose with Bromo-DragonFLY, and a similar case is also known from DOB. Treatment was of limited efficacy in this case although tolazoline is reportedly an effective treatment where available.[8][9]

Overdoses, disturbing experiences, and Bromo-DragonFLY associated health problems have been described. One case in 2008 in England involved inhalation of vomit, causing nearly fatal asphyxia.[10]
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Bromo has never been OFFICIALLY tested on humans.. but like most RCs (cough meph) they hit the market before proper research is given
 
a few more facts

If I recall correctly, bromo-fly (BF) is the immediate precursor to bromo-dragonfly (BDF). It's cheaper and easier to make.

Bromo-fly is aromatized to bromo-dragonfly in the last step of BDF's synthesis. This last step is notoriously hard to pull off. Nichols studied BDF. BDF is more nearly planar than BF.

Hope this helps.
 
Swerz said:
Bromo has never been OFFICIALLY tested on humans.. but like most RCs (cough meph) they hit the market before proper research is given
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Yes, but there is a difference between Bromo-fly and Bromo-Dragonfly.

Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-B-FLY

3C-B-Fly (a.k.a Bromo-Fly, a.k.a DOB-Fly) does not have a double bond on its wings. Bromo-Dragonfly has a double bond on it wings (it is aromatic). Having a double bond is suppose to make it more potent, because it flattens out the wings and makes it fit into the receptor pocket better.

Edit: Rectify beat me to it.
 
Bromo-Fly has been assayed in man as F&B pointed out previously in this thread, up to 18mg with no deaths. The pharmacokinetics aren't really matching at this point either, as the trips for the users were lasting ~20 hours while Bromo-Fly's duration seems to be 30+ hours at the doses used.

edit: Looking through the synthesis it's difficult to see where they could have produced something so hideously toxic. There are no reagents used in the synthesis that would kill someone in the dose range in which these users were testing it. To get the crystalline solid I'm guessing you would have to cleave the n-trifluoroacetate group and then do the acid work-up. Even if you used monofluoroacetic acid and somehow left sodium monofluoroacetate in the product (basically rat poison), you'd still probably have to dose yourself more than 20mg of the impure substance to encounter any health risk.
 
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nuke said:
Bromo-Fly has been assayed in man as F&B pointed out previously in this thread, up to 18mg with no deaths. The pharmacokinetics aren't really matching at this point either, as the trips for the users were lasting ~20 hours while Bromo-Fly's duration seems to be 30+ hours at the doses used.
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That was also Bromo-DragonFly, not Bromo-Fly unless I'm mistaking, or missing some other post.

fastandbulbous said:
Oh and hugo's correct, I was in contact with someone who synthed some bromodragonfly (DOB dragonfly) and he consumed the racaemic compound in doses of up to 16mg and lived to tell the tale (he did trip for 120+ hours though off the 16mg dose)
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Ah, my bad. This sounds like it could very possibly be DOB-Fly (as I'd previously thought) and people are just encountering massive overdoses.
 
This is fucked. I knew the vendors are sketchy but seriously this makes me think twice about ingesting rcs.
 
But somehow I don't think bromo-FLY would be more toxic nor more potent than bromo-DFLY. So if bromo-DFLY has been assayed at 18mg with no deaths then I can't see how bromo-DFLY would cause death at that dosage?
 
dread said:
But somehow I don't think bromo-FLY would be more toxic nor more potent than bromo-DFLY. So if bromo-DFLY has been assayed at 18mg with no deaths then I can't see how bromo-DFLY would cause death at that dosage?
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I would agree here. With the duration and potency 2C-B-DragonFly seems more likely (mixed with something else toxic). Plus that's only one step away from 2C-B-Fly in synthesis.

2C-B-DragonFly would probably be more potent, last longer the 2C-B-Fly, but not too much longer. That sounds about right. With people talking about eating <1mg and having a bad time, it sounds like there is also something very toxic in there.

Then again, think about 5-MeO-DET. 5-MeO-DMT is fine at 2mg, 5-MeO-DiPT is fine at 2mg, but 5-MeO-DET seems very toxic at 2mg. So it's hard to say.

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This was posted before, but in case it gets lost, the DEA has already given MS/GC and FTIR/ATR data for 2C-B-Fly, 3C-B-Fly (DOB-Fly), and DOB-DragonFly here: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/journal_v5_num14/pg4.html
 
This mystery substance could even to turn out to be in fact 2cbfly as advertised, but if that is the case, then the fly's are much more poisonous than the dragonfly's indeed. As an aside, there have also been fatalies with massive overdoses involving DOB at the 100 mg level (see PiHKAL).

The victims reportedly thought they had MDA.
 
Rectify said:
This mystery substance could even to turn out to be in fact 2cbfly as advertised, but if that is the case, then the fly's are much more poisonous than the dragonfly's indeed. As an aside, there have also been fatalies with massive overdoses involving DOB at the 100 mg level (see PiHKAL).

The victims reportedly thought they had MDA.
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The people that I know who took the 2cb fly, thought that it was as packaged, as 2cb fly. It looked exactly like the bag on Erowid's website.
 
Hey Mods, thoughts on putting up a bigger warning on bluelight somewhere? Considering it seems like "joanmiro" missed this and took some, even though he had been browsing on bluelight 2 hours before he dosed.

nuke said:
edit: Looking through the synthesis it's difficult to see where they could have produced something so hideously toxic. There are no reagents used in the synthesis that would kill someone in the dose range in which these users were testing it. To get the crystalline solid I'm guessing you would have to cleave the n-trifluoroacetate group and then do the acid work-up. Even if you used monofluoroacetic acid and somehow left sodium monofluoroacetate in the product (basically rat poison), you'd still probably have to dose yourself more than 20mg of the impure substance to encounter any health risk.
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Hmmm... that's very interesting. I was hoping someone with decent chem knowledge would check that out. Man, this is really weird.
 
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