Warning! Etaqualone Near Death Experience

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I posted a version in ADD.

I wrote a long thread about this in ADD but it was deleted; no one even bothered moving it.

For those of you who don't know me, I am negrogesic, a somewhat infamous and even published (under negrogesic) Other Drug original member, the right hand of Phreex, and at one point sole moderator of the OD forum. I had massive addictive methadone and diazapam both nearing a 1/2g a day. I Detoxed myself in 2006-7, slowly and without rehab. I managed to get off it all. Now I use drugs only therapeutically, only very rarely do i care to use a drug of recreation. I have had had trouble sleeping lately, so ive been self medicating with both prescribed benzos, and those ordered online (phen, etiz, etc). I recently bought some etaqualone with a similar hope in treating my insomnia, but yes, did not mind a buzz in the process. I am now a recent college graduate of 3 majors, have a lucrative career trading forex, and am doing well in that regard.

The other night, in search of sleep and a little buzz, I consumed a total of around of gram etaqualone, and after having modest amounts of estazolam (5mg) and 5-8mg of phenazepam and or 5mg of etizolam, I nearly died. I was literally comatose found not breathing, lungs full of gunk and my left lung almost detached. My pupils were DILATED. I've taken 1000 fold the amount of benzos, literally, but not with etaqualone. Remember it behaves more like a barb and has a MUCH smaller gap between recreation and overdose.

I was in a coma for days, and could not breath on my own. The doctor thought there was a good chance I wouldnt awake due to hypoxia. I awoke a few days later, still intubated. I had to convinced everyone i was neither a drug addict nor suicidal, but the doctors were concerned with my incomplete organic chemistry lab at home, full of reagents.

The etaqualone, phenazepam and etizolam are not items on a tox screen, so they were not detected. I made no mention of their existence to avoid a witchhunt. I said I simply mixed too much estazolam and phenibut. They believed it; I told the doctors that the phenibut was at root and caused a GHB like OD because of it GABA-B affinity. They know little of pharmacology and agreed.

I then had to convince a psych that I didnt need rehab nor was I suicidal. My memory was poor at first and I thought it was 2009, and failed simple math. The next day my brain had recovered, and i can still play the art of fugue from memory, and only from hearing it. I must have only been with oxygen for a short while. My memory appears unaltered.

Point remains, if I had not been found, I would be DEAD right now. I treated etaqualone like a benzo, carbamate or GBL. I was wrong and nearly died.

I am 98% back to normal. Whatever permanent brain damage seems negligible. I'm already back in class, writing fugues and trading forex. Yes, I realize most damage is hard to notice and may creep up on my later (or increase my risk for some neurological disorder).

Be Fucking careful with this stuff. Threat it like Pentobarb. Avoid Benzos or larger doses of opioids.
 
For those of you who don't know me, I am negrogesic, a somewhat infamous and even published (under negrogesic) Other Drug original member, the right hand of Phreex, and at one point sole moderator of the OD forum.

Okay I knew you'd been here for a while but didn't know you had such a colorful past here at bluelight. Thanks for sharing that :)

I'm glad you made it through this experience, I made a similar mistake by mixing 1,4 BDO and phenazepam. I won't tell the whole story here (I made a thread that could be found by checking my profile) but basically in an effort to sleep while in opiate withdrawal I took phenazepam and followed it with a small dose of 1,4 BDO. I was found coughing/choking with labored breathing, and also completely unresponsive. I woke up to paramedics slapping me in my bed.... I was incoherent, didn't know the day of the week, I had pissed my pants at some point. It was terrible and prompted me to quit opiates and dump the BDO down the drain.

I'm done with GABAergic drugs. Phenazepam wrecked my life and BDO is just nasty shit. I have serious doubts about my ability to keep clean from poppy tea but I'm 42 days clean at this point and feeling much better than I ever did while addicted.

Thanks for sharing your story man, I'm glad you made it.
 
[you are not here to question people's judgement or the decisions they make, please be more thoughtful with your comments in the future, thanks - n3o]
 
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Well, I can only speak for myself on that matter. I live in a small town and have a tendency to keep to myself, I've always had physical pain problem and only kept a small group of friends. The only drug that is "common" to me is marijuana, anything else is out of my ability to get.

I managed to get a hold of some percocets when I was in high school a few times which prompted me to search for opiates and I eventually learned about kratom. Kratom was great and prompted my interest in what other "legal" alternatives there were. That's just me though, legal psychoactives were always attractive to me.

*Edit* Lol Now I look stupid because the posters comment above me was deleted and no one knows what I was talking about. I agree with the mods decision to remove it though :)
 
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I am really glad you lived through that man, sorry to hear you had such a horrible overdose, but it's so great you pulled through!

I have not tried etizolam, estazolam, phenazepam, nor etaqualone... but I really do like benzos but haven't taken them in a long time. I have always kept my doses low and I intend on keeping it that way.

It's hilarious how you explained away that situation to ignorant doctors though! =D Truly brilliant. And much respect that you moderated Other Drugs, it is not an easy job.
 
Wow, I'm glad you're okay!

I hate to sound ignorant but I haven't heard of so many of these drugs mentioned here (including Etaqualone). Are these all herbal or what? The only ones mentioned in this thread that I know about are benzos and I've taken just about any which one you can imagine but as far as all of this herbal stuff I am completely lost. I hadn't even heard of kratom until recently and even then I only heard of it because of BL. I thought I had tried nearly every drug except for some of the newer club-type drugs and PCP until I came here.. haha. All of these new things are kinda blowing my mind.

I have the day off so I guess I'll be doing some research out of curiosity...

Once again, I'm glad to hear you're okay. Be careful!
 
I am happy that you survived, but I am not happy to see how badly you are lying to yourself and intellectualizing away your problem, specifically when you mentioned the following:

...I Detoxed myself in 2006-7, slowly and without rehab. I managed to get off it all. Now I use drugs only therapeutically, only very rarely do i care to use a drug of recreation. I have had had trouble sleeping lately, so ive been self medicating with both prescribed benzos, and those ordered online (phen, etiz, etc). I recently bought some etaqualone with a similar hope in treating my insomnia, but yes, did not mind a buzz in the process.

That behavior sounds very problematic to me, and it seems like you are doing everything in your power to reason that, despite such dangerous behavior and a brush with death, you are doing fine:

I am now a recent college graduate of 3 majors, have a lucrative career trading forex, and am doing well in that regard.

In that regard perhaps you are doing well, but look at what I emphasized above and take a gander at what else you've written:

The other night, in search of sleep and a little buzz, I consumed a total of around of gram etaqualone, and after having modest amounts of estazolam (5mg) and 5-8mg of phenazepam and or 5mg of etizolam, I nearly died....

The etaqualone, phenazepam and etizolam are not items on a tox screen, so they were not detected. I made no mention of their existence to avoid a witchhunt.... They believed it...

You could have gotten the help that I think you may need there if you had told the truth, but you went out of your way to avoid it.

I then had to convince a psych that I didnt need rehab nor was I suicidal...

Again, it would probably have been for the best if you took the rehab route. Were you just trying to convince the doctors that you don't have a problem or yourself as well?

It seems to me as though you are severely underestimating the gravity of your situation and digging yourself deeper into denial, trying very hard to believe that you have everything in order when you might not. I have a strong feeling that what happened to you will probably happen again in the future, and then you may not be so lucky.

I know the criticism is harsh. I felt I had to be blunt. I don't think I am better than you or that you are an idiot. I do not mean to insult you, that isn't what I am getting at here at all and that is not why I responded. I just think that you have a bigger problem than you want to admit and I am worried about you because I have been in your shoes more or less in my past. I remember how I almost died, how much trouble I got in, and I think to myself, you know, nobody deserves that.

I truly hope that everything works out for you and you stay alive until old age.
 
The etaqualone, phenazepam and etizolam are not items on a tox screen, so they were not detected.

Oh yeah something I forgot to mention is that when I went to the ER after falling down the stairs on phenazepam I tested positive for benzos. I hadn't taken any other benzos in my life save a prior experience with xanax (probably years beforehand) so the phenazepam had to cause the positive test.

Maybe I got a different screening but phenazepam should definitely show up as benzo if they tested you for it.
 
Glad you survived, and thanks for the warning. Haven't seen your name in a long time, but even back then I didn't spend much time in OD.

I suspect a lot more OD's occur when people are just trying to get some sleep than people realize. You can get pretty desperate. And logic sometimes doesn't apply when you need the sleep.
 
I want to apologize to OP for posting thoughtlessly and to N3o for being snappy. Recovery is not easy. Sorry I was being a short-tempered dumbass.

Anyway, I am glad OP survived.

Well back to cutting the booze etc and wish everyone here who is trying to better themselves and rid themselves of their destructive habits all the best.

This is kinda off-topic but on-topic and I hope the mods just leave this post alone but whatever you think is best.

Joe
 
Back in the day ludse were the shyt. Once they started getting scarce soapper powder started taking their place. I remember some friends would make it in their kitchen stoves. Sounds like a similar substance.

This ain't something you can make on your stove. It's a chemical analog of methaqualone, which is Quaalude or "ludes." It's similar to Quaalude in the same way that ibuprofen is similar to naproxen. Slightly different atomic arrangement--same primary effects, generally speaking.
 
Thank you so much for posting this, negro. I was hoping you would. I believe this should be reposted in all forums where it is concerned - especially OD and ADD. This drug is new and no one has had anything like it unless they are 40+ years old. The warning needs to be publicized.

Take care of yourself, my friend.
 
I posted a version in ADD.

I wrote a long thread about this in ADD but it was deleted; no one even bothered moving it.

For those of you who don't know me, I am negrogesic, a somewhat infamous and even published (under negrogesic) Other Drug original member, the right hand of Phreex, and at one point sole moderator of the OD forum. I had massive addictive methadone and diazapam both nearing a 1/2g a day. I Detoxed myself in 2006-7, slowly and without rehab. I managed to get off it all. Now I use drugs only therapeutically, only very rarely do i care to use a drug of recreation. I have had had trouble sleeping lately, so ive been self medicating with both prescribed benzos, and those ordered online (phen, etiz, etc). I recently bought some etaqualone with a similar hope in treating my insomnia, but yes, did not mind a buzz in the process. I am now a recent college graduate of 3 majors, have a lucrative career trading forex, and am doing well in that regard.

The other night, in search of sleep and a little buzz, I consumed a total of around of gram etaqualone, and after having modest amounts of estazolam (5mg) and 5-8mg of phenazepam and or 5mg of etizolam, I nearly died. I was literally comatose found not breathing, lungs full of gunk and my left lung almost detached. My pupils were DILATED. I've taken 1000 fold the amount of benzos, literally, but not with etaqualone. Remember it behaves more like a barb and has a MUCH smaller gap between recreation and overdose.

I was in a coma for days, and could not breath on my own. The doctor thought there was a good chance I wouldnt awake due to hypoxia. I awoke a few days later, still intubated. I had to convinced everyone i was neither a drug addict nor suicidal, but the doctors were concerned with my incomplete organic chemistry lab at home, full of reagents.

The etaqualone, phenazepam and etizolam are not items on a tox screen, so they were not detected. I made no mention of their existence to avoid a witchhunt. I said I simply mixed too much estazolam and phenibut. They believed it; I told the doctors that the phenibut was at root and caused a GHB like OD because of it GABA-B affinity. They know little of pharmacology and agreed.

I then had to convince a psych that I didnt need rehab nor was I suicidal. My memory was poor at first and I thought it was 2009, and failed simple math. The next day my brain had recovered, and i can still play the art of fugue from memory, and only from hearing it. I must have only been with oxygen for a short while. My memory appears unaltered.

Point remains, if I had not been found, I would be DEAD right now. I treated etaqualone like a benzo, carbamate or GBL. I was wrong and nearly died.

I am 98% back to normal. Whatever permanent brain damage seems negligible. I'm already back in class, writing fugues and trading forex. Yes, I realize most damage is hard to notice and may creep up on my later (or increase my risk for some neurological disorder).

Be Fucking careful with this stuff. Threat it like Pentobarb. Avoid Benzos or larger doses of opioids.



Jesus christ man. If you would died I would figure my number would be up sooner or later... I was concerned about your recent poppy use (yea, i know I am a nerd, concerned about someones drug use I don't even know. But remember, I have been on this board for the past 11 years too. Since I was 15. I had a few names before this... You kinda start tracking people... And you answered some questions for me throughout the years.)

Anyway, I am glad you made it through that alright, or relatively alright. I would hate to see bluelight go black and have another one of our senior most members die. I know you can patch together your life, relationships, and career after this. I have seen you pull through much more difficult circumstances, when you had EVERY SINGLE ODD stacked against you. Don't give up!


Also, if you get a chance, I would like to talk to you about your career in forex trading. Maybe just some pointers on where a guy new to the whole system to learn somethings.
 
The other night, in search of sleep and a little buzz, I consumed a total of around of gram etaqualone, and after having modest amounts of estazolam (5mg) and 5-8mg of phenazepam and or 5mg of etizolam, I nearly died. I was literally comatose found not breathing, lungs full of gunk and my left lung almost detached. My pupils were DILATED. I've taken 1000 fold the amount of benzos, literally, but not with etaqualone. Remember it behaves more like a barb and has a MUCH smaller gap between recreation and overdose.


Be Fucking careful with this stuff. Treat it like Pentobarb. Avoid Benzos or larger doses of opioids.

negrogesic, firstly I am so glad you were found in time and came through it relatively unscathed <3
We have lost a fair few treasured BLers over the years to overdoses and it devastates this whole community whenever it happens, I couldn't stand it if we lost another one so soon.

I also want to thank you for sharing your experience with us. It serves as an important reminder of what this whole site stands for and why we're all here, harm reduction.


Everyone, please think twice about what you're doing, do your research, and be sensible.


I want to apologize to OP for posting thoughtlessly and to N3o for being snappy. Recovery is not easy. Sorry I was being a short-tempered dumbass.

No worries mate, much appreciated. Take care :)
 
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In response to that one individual; yes I am manipulative, but I am not going to be involuntarily locked up in some psych ward when I have no real addictions or desire to self-harm.
 
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I'm going to tell her "sorry honey, its going to be a hard christmas this year, you are going to need to get a part time job". Just want to stay humble. How will I explain my twin turbo prop king-air private plane, i dont know, maybe charter service?
I lol'd :D
 
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