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W/D and interesting bupe experience

Uponone

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I have been a heavy opiate user for two years now, started on OCs and Roxys insuff'd for about 6 mo and sat at about 400-500mg oxycodone a day. I then moved to IV OC for about a month at which point I was doing over 320mg in back to back shots and barely getting a buzz. The obvious route was heroin, which I had IVd twice in highschool and 8 years later transitioned easy to it. I never pushed my heroin habit through the roof like I could have, although from what ive seen my habit was still very large, I was doing .6g of really primo black per initial shot (this is where I "kept control"), at this dose I would not nod I could still function normal. Never did more than a gram over a day period unless it was a special occasion.
Now, that heroin habit sat pretty for the past year and a half, I had tried Suboxone treatment 3 times prior but never filled my full scripts (no insurance, $800 per month) since id rather spend it on more black.

My brother flew down from NY here to Vegas to help me get clean, along with my girlfriend. He let me have my last hoorahs and it was down to business.
It was day one of no black, getting standard initial WD, snot shooting out of my face, sneezing 37 times in a row, gags, cravings, etc.
Figured it'd be okay to start on my Sub treatment. I had read about shooting Subs here and being a IV heroin user for a year and a half it was kind of first thought. Im not one to do new things without researching first, so I found all the threads I could and established I should start with 4mg Suboxone IV.
Bad, bad idea. The second I tasted it (just like a BIG coke shot) I knew something was wrong. I stumbled to the guest bathroom and called for my brother and girlfriend.
At first I thought it was just precipitated withdrawals, but then my respitory system started to fail and my body went ice cold, I was convinced I would not live till the ambulance got here and was heartbroken for my girlfriend and brother for going through this. Things started going very fuzzy white until I lost consiousness. My girlfriend gave me CPR until I came to, at this point I was violently shaking, sweating GALLONS, violently purged my stomach (and almost shit and pissed myself), then continued into convulsions and in and out of consciousness.
The ambulance was called the second I slipped under of course and arrived in about 7 minutes. The fire dept didnt know up from down when told I IVd suboxone, luckily the EMTs that arrived right after had someone whos wife was a recovering addict and knew what I had done.
I was rushed to the hospital, crash cart at the EMTs hands, fully conscious, my whole body felt like it was filled with ice, yet only only the inside, my skin was hot and sweating profusely, felt nothing like withdrawal even though it sounds similar.

At the hospital they did the usual, I was over the main part of whatever happened (about 30 minutes from dose) but still felt like hell. After all tests were run I was told I got sent into precip withdrawal but for some reason they dont know, it started to shut down my CNS and resp system like a heroin overdose. I felt lucky to be alive for sure, ive slipped under a couple times from heroin and nothing scared me like this, I was positive I was not going to live, I did not want to die.
I was released later that night and that was that.

Everything I smelled, tasted, and breathed tasted like suboxone. Never want to look at it again, decide to cold turkey.

Now here is where my withdrawals continue, albeit in a fashion that ive never experienced.
Day two, no sweats, no nausea, no diahrea, only symptoms I have are pretty bad leg aching (its usually unbearable). I make it through the day, 4mg of xanax and go to bed. I sleep for 7hrs, a godsend.

Day three. Again, only leg pain and RLS, no sleep that night

Day four. Figuring the leg pain should be receding by now, although thankful that I didnt have the usual myriad of hell in the first 4 days, almost killing myself with IV sub must have given me some kind of rapid detox. 6mg xanax, 8 hrs sleep.

Day five. Just leg pain and RLS, no sleep that night, at all.

Day six. Exhausted, feel very sick to the stomach, very, very severe (normal WD) leg pain, cannot hold any fluids or food in my stomach without purging it right back up. 50mg promethazine and 2.5mg klonopin. Promethazine doesnt do its job, neither does the clonazapam. I try to sleep but just laying down is miserable with how sick I am and how much my legs hurt. Finally sleep for a few hours.

Day seven, today. Feeling much better, however my legs are still in quite a bit of pain. Even the hottub isnt helping like usual. I figured id be over all this and just be dealing with the insomnia and depression, is it normal for physical W/D symptoms to last over a week on a short half life opiate like heroin?

Dont get me wrong, I have never had WD this easy, ever. Its usually near suicidal hell, im thankful im alive, and clean for a week already, im proud of myself for getting even this far, im just looking for some insight on if anyone has had similar experiences or input.
 
I sent myself into precip w/d a week or two ago and it was very similar. It wasn't quite as bad as that though but I had most of those symptoms, seconds after I injected I went ice cold, felt very weird and fuzzy and basically my body just went on autopilot and stumbled into my bed under the covers, and breathing became very hard. If I hadn't known about precip w/d and had it very mildly before to know that it is over withing 15-30 min once the bupe kicks in fully than I probly would have freaked the fuck out it was so intense.

As for the withdraws I can't really say for sure, suboxone lasts a long time though and judging by your timeline I would say since the sub was in your system it delayed the withdraws for a couple days so the peak started at day 3/4 when normally thats when your starting to feel better. Also with black tar I think it has other alkaloids in it with longer half lifes so the w/d are slightly more drawn out than normal powder h. Its also possible that the precip w/d fucked with it somehow, I know there is a detox treatment where they put you under and purposefully precip w/d for a while so that could have done something but I would say my first theory is probly mostly what happened.
 
IME the 2 times I took sub to early after dosing Oxy and sent myself into Precip. WDs, they were very horrible but never did they last more than 1 hour before my receptors adjusted and get me feeling back to "normal". Precip. WDs have also never been life threatning to me or anyone that I know of. Your expiernce you published here is very interesting to me. It would be nice to know what the exact cause was for the course of events you expierenced.
 
I've been taking suboxone for nearly 16 months. I have never taken subs IV however I did try to quit taking them one month when I ran out and was too scared to call my doc and ask for sn early refill because I had been taking more than I should have...anyway like the above poster said the first 3 days weren't bad at all I hardly realized I was coming off of anything, as matter of fact I thought that I had already gotten through the worst part. But then around day 4 I started to only be able to sleep for an hour to two at most at a time w/o waking up. The worst part for me was that I could not get comfortable when trying to sleep. Days 4-8 I simply couldn't sleep at all and spent hours and hours trying to sleep and never was successful, also I couldn't stop kicking my legs, tossing and turning it really sucked. Until I got to about the 10th day everything started getting better, I was able to fall asleep for 3-4 hrs at a time and my legs stopped kicking. I didn't really have many cravings surprisingly the only reason I really wanted a sub was to get some damn sleep and so I could get comfortable finally. I stayed cold turkey til my next doc visit annd continued my dosibg of suboxone. Subs have really helped me stay from other opiates for the most part. I don't take other opiates very often so getting on a suboxone treatment program has definitely been worth it to me.
 
dont start by IV bupe.......

you prob would have been fine with a 8mg SL, and would have lasted way longer to.....

you should only iv bupe once you have adjusted to it SL, and plan to inject small doses.....
 
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