Vicodin vs other opioids

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Thanks for the reply. I rarely, rarely have any back problems. I have constant feet/ankle problems. I have no cartilage in my left shoulder but am still able to train. I go light, 65 lb dumbbells for chest presses and I do strict Romanian deadlifts with 70 lbs (2 dumbbells so total of 140 lbs) for my rear chain. The R deads keep my lower back very healthy. I don't do heavy deadlifting anymore (did 600 lbs 30 years ago).

I have the opportunity to pick up some Vicodin, but it is expensive.

It is interesting that you say Vicodin is more euphoriating than Oxy, really? Like I said, I don't get high on Oxy very often, but if I take 3 30 mgs (90 mgs) at once I get an amazing high. I do take Kratom regularly, usually 5 gram 5 days a week, so I think that increases my opiod tolerance. Plus I weigh 225 lbs.

What mg of Vicodin equals 90 mgs of Oxy?

Oxy is 1.5-2 times stronger than Vicodin. So 90mg Oxy = 135-180mg Vicodin (it varies person-to-person) but be careful as Vicodin contains acetaminophen (tylenol) and you'll kill your liver with too much.

 

[helpingout]

Oxy is 1.5-2 times stronger than Vicodin. So 90mg Oxy = 135-180mg Vicodin (it varies person-to-person) but be careful as Vicodin contains acetaminophen (tylenol) and you'll kill your liver with too much.

That is a fucking insane amount of Vicodin. Jesus Christ. I get sick as fuck and nodding to the point I can’t operate a machine on just the four. Just twenty milligrams rather.

Tolerance can be gnarly.

At dosages like that I can only say make sure you have a thin film of ice on top before you decant the solution. It would be terrible to go through acute liver failure.

 

[Púca Rebellion]

Vicodin is the weakest opiate medication I can think of, other than Tylenol 2s with codeine. The current regime, as well as most of academia, and the medical industry are butthurt over the opiate epidemic leading to situations like this, since they can't plan more than 1 step ahead. Ironic that these ignoramuses fail to understand (or likely are being deliberately obtuse about) is refusing to give adequate pain treatment is a boon to nonprescription sales. It's called the iron law of prohibition. When they eventually are forced to liberalize MAT therapies like Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, etc., and educate people in a nonstigmatizing way, the rates of addiction will start to fall. For now we have a moral panic, causing people to hoard medications, and take care of their own pain medicating as you have been forced to do. I'm sorry about what you're going through, brother. I really feel the desperation you're experiencing. The health care industry has burdened you with doing their job for them, because they've abdicated their responsibility...

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Vicodin is the weakest opiate medication I can think of, other than Tylenol 2s with codeine. The current regime, as well as most of academia, and the medical industry are butthurt over the opiate epidemic leading to situations like this, since they can't plan more than 1 step ahead. Ironic that these ignoramuses fail to understand (or likely are being deliberately obtuse about) is refusing to give adequate pain treatment is a boon to nonprescription sales. It's called the iron law of prohibition. When they eventually are forced to liberalize MAT therapies like Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, etc., and educate people in a nonstigmatizing way, the rates of addiction will start to fall. For now we have a moral panic, causing people to hoard medications, and take care of their own pain medicating as you have been forced to do. I'm sorry about what you're going through, brother. I really feel the desperation you're experiencing. The health care industry has burdened you with doing their job for them, because they've abdicated their responsibility...

Tramadol (I think usually sold as Ultram in US) is weaker and so is Codeine (depending on the Vicodin dose...maximum dose of Codeine is 60mg which equals 6mg Hydrocodone, so stronger than Vicodin 5mgs....but I think it comes in 7.5 and 10mg doses, too? Or is that just Norco and Lortab? American ones are so confusing)

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

To ease all confusing, this is an opioid ladder. ORAL Morphine is used as the standard at at 1, so something half the strength of oral Morphine would be a 0.5 and something twice the strength of oral Morphine would be a 2. I'm leaving off shit like Carfentanyl or other opioids that would never ever be prescribed. Methadone is virtually impossible to say and needs to be titrated in a facility because of duration, changes in plasma etc, it varies A LOT.

Fentanyl 50-100
Buprenorphine 100
Oxymorphone (Opana) 8
Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) 5
IV Morphine 3
Oxycodone (Percocet, Percodan) 1.5
Oral Morphine 1
Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Lortab,Norco), 1
Tapentadol 0.25
Dihydrocodeine 0.2
Tramadol (Ultram) 0.1
Codeine 0.1
Pethidine (Meperidine, Demerol) 0.1

 

[Psynaught]

Vicodin is the weakest opiate medication I can think of, other than Tylenol 2s with codeine. The current regime, as well as most of academia, and the medical industry are butthurt over the opiate epidemic leading to situations like this, since they can't plan more than 1 step ahead. Ironic that these ignoramuses fail to understand (or likely are being deliberately obtuse about) is refusing to give adequate pain treatment is a boon to nonprescription sales. It's called the iron law of prohibition. When they eventually are forced to liberalize MAT therapies like Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, etc., and educate people in a nonstigmatizing way, the rates of addiction will start to fall. For now we have a moral panic, causing people to hoard medications, and take care of their own pain medicating as you have been forced to do. I'm sorry about what you're going through, brother. I really feel the desperation you're experiencing. The health care industry has burdened you with doing their job for them, because they've abdicated their responsibility...

Many doctors are absolutely nuts. I had a GP I saw years ago. I was 100% clean and sober from the age of 35 to 55. And even when I was younger I never abused opiods....never had really even been high on them. I had some pretty serous surgeries (mostly from MMA training) but always took what was prescribed as prescribed. The first time I ever got high on opioids I was 62. Back then I think I was about 46 and had the worst pneumonia with terrible coughs and a migraine. This doctor just let me suffer when I would have gotten tremendous relief from just basic cough syrup. But he just let me suffer.

Another time I had hernia surgery (I was around 52) and I was "damn I am still in a lot of pain" and then found out the surgeon only gave me half the strength medication he should have. A while ago I had a cytoscopy...they put a camera down your penis all the way to your prostate...no meds. Then they were talking about cutting my prostate in half and only giving me Tylenol. Not making this stuff up.

So yeah, I stockpile. I don't really trust doctors anymore when it comes to pain relief. They would never want to risk their license, I suppose. They really missed their calling working back in the Nazi death camps.

 

[sHR00m]

I have searched and have not found any info on Vicodin. I have been failed by the medical industry, denied pain meds when I needed them. The last time I had a camera shoved down my penis all the way to my prostate with absolutely zero meds. I have doctors let me suffer terrible pneumonia and violent coughing with an unbearable migraine with zero cough syrup. I have been given half the pain meds I need after major surgery, the list goes on.

The latest is I was told I would only be given Tylenol for having my prostate cut in two. Not making this stuff up.

So I started collecting pain meds, First Tramadol, then Oxy, and then fentynal. Historically I have only taken what is prescribed as prescribed and never got high. I finally got high a few times (and boy, it is a good high) but this forum has scared the snit out of me and a rarely even do that anymore. The last time I got high on opioids is nearly 3 weeks ago.

Long story short, I am staying safe from opioids, but I do get pains pretty regularly. I am nearly 63 and a very hard core bodybuilder. I had some really bad back pain 10 days ago and took a couple of pain meds but did not really get high. I have constant feet pain, but kratom works great for that.

So I have an opportunity to get some Vicodin. It is expensive, but I have been thinking of stocking up on some. How does it compare to other opioids? Say Oxy and Tramadol? I know there is nothing like Oxy for getting high (which of course is why it is so dangerous) but how does Vicodin compare? Tramadol is great because just 1 100 mg cap gives me pain relief and also a mood boost (I get depressed about once/twice a week.

TLDR: How does Vicodin compare to Oxy, fentanyl, and Tramadol?

Honestly I didn't find oxy all that unique. Its pretty much like other opiates just not super sedating. I didn't have vicodin yet but I would expect comparable feel like from other opiates as well.
BTW, there is a suspicion that kratom considerably dampens oxy. I don't know what to think about that but personally, I went through a lot of oxy while on kratom in one night and it seemed relatively weak. Just FYI.

 

[Them Witches]

If you have Mallinckrot oxycodone try dissolving them under your tongue and keep the contents in the mouth, cheeks, and the tongue as long as possible. You will never think of taking hydrocodone again.

After 40 years of pain management I have had every Rx except fentanyl lollypops, heroin, and the oxycodone 100mg/5ml solution. The only Rx's that work for me PO orally are oxycodone HCl, methadone, and demerol. Everything else orally has a poor bioavailability PO orally, even the oxymorphone 10mg IR work poorly for me.

If you are opiate/opioid naive, it really does not matter that much what you take. They all produce outstanding affects. Once you take them everyday for decades, first pass bioavailability, the speed of crossing the blood brain barrier, MME, and drug construction/application are what matters the most. Half-life is also a considering factor for long-term patients if they get a small amount per day.

In a hospital setting (IV) hydromorphone, oxymorphone, morphine, and demerol are the strongest options for opioid tolerant patients. Fentanyl IV is not really preferred by opioid tolerant patients as it is like speed to us and the doctors think it is so strong. It is strong but not to someone with a tolerance.

Some dosing tips are taking Tums about 5 mins before taking opioids. Taking a steroid with the opioid makes them cross the blood brain barrier faster and the Tums keeps the opioid in the liver longer on the first pass.