cj
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Yep and stupid shootings make up a ton of gun violence. Especially in the inner cities.
Vegas Mandalay Bay mass shooting / Gun Control 2017 Thread
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nuttynutskin
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Chicago anyone?
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swilow
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I agree but you're dodging the question. There are mentally ill people everywhere. There are not mass shootings as regularly anywhere else in the world except the US. The difference is that you guys have the most heavily armed population in the world.
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Not all mentally ill people are murderers obviously. I'm not dodging the question. Either way, even if you outright banned firearms there's still millions of guns out there. It would be extremely pointless no matter what your views on the matter are. That, and gun builders would simply fabricate them and sell them on the black market.
swilow
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This worked in Australia.
Do you think that the proliferation of guns in your society is contributing to the regular massacres you guys experience? If its mental illness, why don't these shootings happen as often in every other country? Is it because guns are not as available in these countries?.
I'm continually amazed that people cannot see what is a blindingly obvious and objectively demonstrable fact.
You have the most liberal gun laws. You have the most mass shootings. You don't have higher rates of mental illness. And I'm not talking about banning them, I'm talking about controlling them.
Do you think that the proliferation of guns in your society is contributing to the regular massacres you guys experience? If its mental illness, why don't these shootings happen as often in every other country? Is it because guns are not as available in these countries?.
I'm continually amazed that people cannot see what is a blindingly obvious and objectively demonstrable fact.
You have the most liberal gun laws. You have the most mass shootings. You don't have higher rates of mental illness. And I'm not talking about banning them, I'm talking about controlling them.
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They're already controlled enough IMO but some checks into mental state and such probably wouldn't be a bad idea. Although if everything I've read about this guy is true then evaluating his mental state probably wouldn't have stopped this. It sounds like he just snapped for some reason. If anything he could be a psychopath because psychopaths are pretty good at appearing normal on the outside. You kind of have to be a psychopath to shoot a bunch of innocent people. I also wouldn't throw out the idea of a brain disorder such as a tumor or something that affected his thinking.
Just like the people who want to drastically change gun laws or think they should be banned altogether, my opinion that citizens have the right to bare arms isn't going to change.
Just like the people who want to drastically change gun laws or think they should be banned altogether, my opinion that citizens have the right to bare arms isn't going to change.
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Bagseed
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sorry but how are guns controlled enough if a guy can just go into a hotel room with a bunch of assault weapons? where I live this would be practically impossible. you can own rifles for hunting and handweapons for self defense but things are tightly regulated. no one would be able to easily get what is in reality a weapon for war.
Scrofula
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Number 8 among US cities in per capita homicide. The highest are solid Red America midwestern towns.
You can't single out its stricter gun laws without talking about St. Louis or Memphis.
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Whoa, wait, what's this? We're in agreement, and both want better gun control? How can this be?
Oh, right, some groups keep framing this debate as an all or nothing issue, and convinced a lot of guys that saying you favor gun control is for pussies and libtards. What I'd like to hear is talk about how your proposal would be carried out. Because whenever someone tries, we hear a certain gun lobby start wailing so loud no one can hear over them.
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LucidSDreamr
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The difference in approaches in how opiates and guns are handles are striking.
Illegal fentanyl kills 30000 ppl...take away sick people's medication.
Legal weapons kill 30000...allow everyone possible including the mentally ill and children to use or own guns that are the carefentanyl of guns.
U would think pharma has the same or more lobbying power as the NRA to prevent such regulation....it comes down more to a republican base that says all drugs are bad....all guns and as much or as deadly are possible.
Illegal fentanyl kills 30000 ppl...take away sick people's medication.
Legal weapons kill 30000...allow everyone possible including the mentally ill and children to use or own guns that are the carefentanyl of guns.
U would think pharma has the same or more lobbying power as the NRA to prevent such regulation....it comes down more to a republican base that says all drugs are bad....all guns and as much or as deadly are possible.
G.R.S.H.
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I read an article yesterday that only 3 of the guns could be proved as ourchased legally, today it is more. I stand corrected.
LucidSDreamr
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I would love if they took that approach with drugs "well people are going to use drugs whether or not they regulate them so fuck all regulation"
elvis_wears_nikes
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This is ignorant and offensive. 1 in 4 people suffer from some form of mental illness and the vaste majority of them don’t end up massacring people. Greatfully and thankfully I live in a country that this tragedy does not happen anywhere near to the scale that it does with our friends in the states. The figures are indisputable for countries that have chosen to adopt a different approach.
It’s the guns that are the problem.
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Hey guys check out the videos on youtube showing muzzle flashes and gunfire coming out of the 5th floor while the shootings take place.... other things are very fishy too, including the two people running around telling people that "everyone is going to die here tonight" 45 mins before the shooting.... combine that with the other facts that just don't fit concerning the shooter and I think we have another case of no one really knowing WTF took place here in totality. After the shootings the media instantly pounced on the gun control issue , and I think thats what this is all about.... causing internal striff and conflict, between left and right.... confusion and fear.... call me a crazy coook but we live in extradinary times where no one even knows what the hell they are looking at for sure.
RedLeader
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^ The 4th floor muzzle fire thing got debunked. It was a flashing strobe light that was still flashing in later TV interviews. Plus the windows were not blown out anywhere else. The lack of muzzle fire from the actual location is much weirder. But the mods probably don't want this thread going down the rabbit hole.
Looks bad when you cherry pick among Western nations, sure. Probably wouldn't look so bad if we included Central or South America, where guns aren't always legal mind you. It's almost like there are deeper issues going on in America regarding economic, social and personal depression that have historically been dominant in other parts of the world. The gun discussion can be had, sure, and I do see both sides of it. But obtainability is only one piece of the puzzle, and we really should be honestly discussing it all if we want things to improve.
Looks bad when you cherry pick among Western nations, sure. Probably wouldn't look so bad if we included Central or South America, where guns aren't always legal mind you. It's almost like there are deeper issues going on in America regarding economic, social and personal depression that have historically been dominant in other parts of the world. The gun discussion can be had, sure, and I do see both sides of it. But obtainability is only one piece of the puzzle, and we really should be honestly discussing it all if we want things to improve.
cj
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The lack of muzzle fire is because he set up his position deep in the room. It's a military tactic to conceal your location.
you don't think that other western states are a fair context?
brazil, colombia - great examples of countries to which we want to be compared when talking about gun violence :/
of course. it's a shame that the gun lobby in the u.s. is absolutely intransigent when it comes to discussing all aspects of the issue...
good to see you posting.
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cj
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At the very least can everyone agree that bump stocks and other devices meant to make a gun simulate full auto firing need to be banned? That seems like a common sense starting place for negotiation to me.
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I've lived in the US most of my life and very few of my friends or acquaintances ever owned a gun. Most of the guns in the US are in the hands of a few. There is definitely a strong gun culture in the US, and once you get sucked in there is a tendency to go big. There's something about owning a gun that turns some people into fanatics in the US. They gotta own 40 guns and subscribe to a couple gun owner magazines. It becomes a hobby and a lifestyle. Other countries perhaps have fewer guns per capita but have a more uniformly arm populace. Some also have higher numbers of gun related homicides per capita. Take the Dominican Republic. They've had 12.27 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2013, so they definitely beat the US. If I lived in the Dominican republic I'd consider owning a gun for protection as much as I enjoy the fact that I don't need a gun where I live. Here is the real scary statistic. The US has 88.8 guns per 100 people, even though the average person on the street probably doesn't own a gun, at least where I live. This is a ridiculous number of guns!
ref: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/dominican-republic