mrflowers00
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the real reason doctors don't prescribe opioid/opiates for anxiety and depression is because in the long run it'll make it worse
Why should physical pain be treated with opiates, but not mental pain? Is one more serious than the other? Should be just throw chronic pain patients on Cymbalta, or maybe Lyrica, and say that's all even if it does not help? No. In psychiatry, opiates could be used carefully at certain rx'd doses (like anyother drug) to treat mental illness, if it were warranted. Self-medicating can be counterproductive, but proper opiate therapy overseen by a medical professional could be quite efficacious in bringing relief to mental illness
"In psychiatry, opiates could be used carefully at certain rx'd doses"
The profit margin in opiates is nearly nothing when compared to modern SSRIs. They have already demonized opiates to an extent that it cant really be undone. Any accidents that occur while it is in the patient's system will make good news stories. The withdrawal effects of modern ssris are hidden from the public, and polls of physicians show that they may not be any better informed than the average person. Look at the below sales figures for SSRIs, which can't even be proven effective for anyone except those with most severe from of depression, and even then the data isn't real encouraging.
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/oct/10-are-antidepressant-drugs-actually-worth-taking More prescriptions are dispensed for antidepressants—232.7 million nationwide in 2007—than for drugs of any other type, according to the data firm, IMS Health. U.S. sales of antidepressants totaled $11.9 billion in 2007, IMS Health reports.
I love the hypocrisy in America, where we say meth is the biggest danger to our kids, yet we can't get enough amphetamines to keep them legally doped up in class.
http://www.nationalmethcenter.org/STATISTICS_Threatmap.html "States where meth is the biggest problem according to law enforcement"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/01/us-adhd-adderall-shortage-idUSTRE80009E20120101 18 million prescriptions for adderall each year, DEA not dealing enough dope to big pharma to fill them all.
http://www.udel.edu/chemo/teaching/CHEM465/SitesF02/Prop26b/ritalin consumption.html "US produces and consumes more than 80% of the worlds methylphenidate"
I think we are buying into BigPharma, the FDA, and medicine as it is today a bit too much, and ignoring some undeniable benefits opiates could provide to help treat mental illness. Some of you are saying that relying on drugs for "happiness" is just not effective, yet you advocate SSRI's and benzos, both of which are psychotropic, and both of which can cause serious dependence? There are several flaws with this point of view, and I refuse to defend how medicine is being practiced today as how it should be practiced always. I won't defend indications of this drug or that, and say they cannot be used for something other than what they were FDA approved. All of this is so narrow-minded and restrictive. Black and white thinking just does not apply with how medicine should be practiced.
But, back to opiates themselves for the treatment of mental illness. There are questions that could be posed such as should they be used for opiate-addiction in maintenance therapy (psychiatric) or should they be used to treat pain conditions without organic cause such as fibromyalgia? Where does one draw the line? But, even that is really unimportant in why opiates should be used for mental illness such as depression or anxiety, for example. Opiates are, really, wonder-drugs for so many symptoms. Alone, natural/semi-synthetic opiates are not toxic to the body, and are frequently used for CHRONIC pain management. Why should physical pain be treated with opiates, but not mental pain? Is one more serious than the other? Should be just throw chronic pain patients on Cymbalta, or maybe Lyrica, and say that's all even if it does not help? No. In psychiatry, opiates could be used carefully at certain rx'd doses (like anyother drug) to treat mental illness, if it were warranted. Self-medicating can be counterproductive, but proper opiate therapy overseen by a medical professional could be quite efficacious in bringing relief to mental illness. Opiates are wonderful analgesics, and do relieve pain of any kind, not discriminating. They simply make one more comfortable. They are also euphoriants, but why is this bad in every case? They help to stimulate, allowing for longer periods of activity with increased frequency w/o discomfort, as well as relaxing and sedating, allowing for good and comfortable sleep. Take a severly depressed individual, who has not responded to a variety of anti-depressants, and even responded poorly to ECT. What do we do? Allow the individual to suffer in his pain or relieve it?
There needs to be understood the difference between dependence and addiction. Many chronic pain patients use their opiates as prescribed w/o any addiction, but with significant relief. There is no reason the same would not hold true. Chronic dosing will lead to dependence, of course, but so will most any anti-depressant and benzos, of course.
the real reason doctors don't prescribe opioid/opiates for anxiety and depression is because in the long run it'll make it worse