Using Opiates and Building Muscle

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Hey guys,

I use morphine sometimes and was wondering if its affecting my gains as I go to the gym at least 3 times a week.

I usually have about 120 mg when I dose. I heard it can lower testosterone levels so will this affect my gains?

Thanks
 
Yes.


Getting wasted or getting shredded. Pick your priority.
 
Oxy and lifting

Ive been using oxy recreationally for about a year and recently wanted to slow down and get my old body back from the gym. Here is a little background.

I used to bartend 3 years ago and lifted and was in amazing shape, I was taking supplements, creatine, protein shakes, you know the works.

Well i stopped took up opiates and have around a 80mg a day habit. But the use is very inconsistent. These past 2 weeks I quit for a week (had 1mg of sub every 24 hours to stave off withdrawals) but yesterday didn't take any, felt fine and today I had fun with an 80.

I attempted this once a year ago when I had a 160 mg a day habit and the protein shake tore up my insides, I literally cried on the toilet, now that I substantially lowered my use and it's not an everyday thing anymore heres my question.

Can I get back into the gym mode with protein shake, supplements, creatine, etc... Or do I have to kick the habit completely because I'm dieing to get back into the gym, and not just to lift I need the supplements I described to gain some weight (opiates made me lose just about all my muscle).

If anyone needs any additional information on my usage or personal life I'd be happy to discuss to come to the best conclusion but please help.


Now I wanna start gymming, is it possible with a slight opiate addiction like I described.
 
Once a month, it probably won't affect your gains.

But who are you kidding? You're not going to be using it once a month for very long.
 
You can work out and get some results, but don't forget that opiates significantly lower testosterone. I personally have gained around 12lb muscle since quitting opiates last May.
 
You can work out and get some results, but don't forget that opiates significantly lower testosterone. I personally have gained around 12lb muscle since quitting opiates last May.

why quit when you can cut back to manageable use?
 
^That still lowers your testosterone though... As to why to quit, well, that's different for everyone. I was tired of the artificial comfort I got from opiates for the most part. I started getting a hangover from them too.
 
We've had a few guys come through BL with massive bodies and massive habits (Binge_Artist for one). Athletes get injured all the time and have to go on pain medications.

If you really want to continue using oxycodone during an intense training period, just be sure that you keep the essentials going. By this, I mean eating enough food, drinking a lot of water, maintaining a healthy/regular sleep schedule, not missing days due to drug-related time commitments, and so on. Not eating enough (food typically would kill the high) was always my problem when juggling this. And missing gym sessions because the dopeman kept me waiting.

Sure, an opiate habit/addiction is not ideal for fitness enthusiasts, but ultimately we have to pick our battles and work for the best.

From personal experience, I really suggest that you minimise the back-and-forth thing between your opiate-of-choice and Suboxone. I never felt very good when doing this (having to wait for the WD to hit before taking the sub, my stomach getting upset from going back-and-forth, my bowels backing up to the point where it interfered with my lifting). If you've got the discipline to follow some crazy rotational opiate schedule, you've probably got the discipline to take progressively smaller doses to stretch your stash out.

I have also seen guys get sucked into taking opiates to numb the pain of body/muscle aches from lifting. I recall the episode of Locked Up Abroad where the smuggler was buying morphine along with his steroids while in Mexico and then got hopelessly addicted. I'd try and avoid establishing a thought patten about opiates taking away the pains of a hard gym session, since this can quickly get out-of-hand, and your once-innocent exercise hobby is not inextricably linked to your drug (ab)use.

Lift heavy, party responsibly, but try and keep the two as separate as possible.
 
Hey deadmau-

I'm going to merge your thread with another similar thread in Healthy Living. It's good to keep similar ideas in one place :)

Also I think you may get some better responses about this topic in steroid discussion.


HL ------> SD
 
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why quit when you can cut back to manageable use?

Jesus fucking Christ.

Why rely on a substance to get you through the hardships of life and take shortcuts to emotions you can't normally feel?

A kid wants to better himself and improve his life while you're simply trying to drag him back into a pathetic life of depravity and dependence, probably as a defense mechanism just so you don't feel alone in all of this. When you've already had a dependency on a certain class of drugs, you've lost all privileges to use it "responsibly" ever again. This is darwinism at it's finest, and I really hope anyone dumb enough to do this goes through withdrawal hell just to finally learn a fucking lesson.
 
Hey guys,

I use morphine sometimes and was wondering if its affecting my gains as I go to the gym at least 3 times a week.

I usually have about 120 mg when I dose. I heard it can lower testosterone levels so will this affect my gains?

Thanks

Yes it will. It will lower Testosterone levels, IGF levels, and HGH levels in the body. It will also slow down your metabolism leading to less fat loss and decreased protien synthesis in the muscles.
 
Getting wasted or getting shredded. Pick your priority.

I might have to put that on my Facebook status.

This is what it comes down to... I made that choice a few days ago. My old dope dealer called me up after work, he just got out of jail a few months ago and got back into the game and was letting me know he was good. I was feeling very stressed at the time with work and the bullshit with my girl so I was thinking about copping a few bundles. I had more than enough money in my account. When I got home I asked myself do I want dope or do I want to keep working on my body. I choose to keep working on my body; I ordered some protien, some more Masteron E, some more Fina to brew, and some more NPP.

Why use a substance that is only going to make me feel good for a few hours when I can lift, take my gear, and feel good for for the rest of my life anytime I look in the mirror or when a girl looks at me and smiles?
 
So using once a month will affect my gains still?

It won't but you won't be using once a month for long. Soon you will use twice a month. Then it turns into every Saturday a month. Before you know it you are using every weekend during the month. Then it turns into a few times a week, then you start feeling like shit without the drug so you start using everyday. Then before you know it you have spent seven years of your life getting high and have went from pain pills to shooting heroin.

Such is the fate of every opiate user. It may not happen now, it may not happen tomorrow, hell it may not happen for month or years. But someday, someday it always happens.
 
Jesus fucking Christ.

Why rely on a substance to get you through the hardships of life and take shortcuts to emotions you can't normally feel?

A kid wants to better himself and improve his life while you're simply trying to drag him back into a pathetic life of depravity and dependence, probably as a defense mechanism just so you don't feel alone in all of this. When you've already had a dependency on a certain class of drugs, you've lost all privileges to use it "responsibly" ever again. This is darwinism at it's finest, and I really hope anyone dumb enough to do this goes through withdrawal hell just to finally learn a fucking lesson.

The withdrawal from morphine is pretty bad, but I always stop before I know the withdrawals are gonna be too much for me to handle. I know how to set my limits now, and I am cutting back my usage when gaining.

Anyone know if clonazepam causes decreased testosterone levels as well?
 
I might have to put that on my Facebook status.

This is what it comes down to... I made that choice a few days ago. My old dope dealer called me up after work, he just got out of jail a few months ago and got back into the game and was letting me know he was good. I was feeling very stressed at the time with work and the bullshit with my girl so I was thinking about copping a few bundles. I had more than enough money in my account. When I got home I asked myself do I want dope or do I want to keep working on my body. I choose to keep working on my body; I ordered some protien, some more Masteron E, some more Fina to brew, and some more NPP.

Why use a substance that is only going to make me feel good for a few hours when I can lift, take my gear, and feel good for for the rest of my life anytime I look in the mirror or when a girl looks at me and smiles?

It won't but you won't be using once a month for long. Soon you will use twice a month. Then it turns into every Saturday a month. Before you know it you are using every weekend during the month. Then it turns into a few times a week, then you start feeling like shit without the drug so you start using everyday. Then before you know it you have spent seven years of your life getting high and have went from pain pills to shooting heroin.

Such is the fate of every opiate user. It may not happen now, it may not happen tomorrow, hell it may not happen for month or years. But someday, someday it always happens.
Thank you very much for saying what I wanted to say just in case the OP dun goofed and tried to argue.
Anyone know if clonazepam causes decreased testosterone levels as well?
Anything that doesn't raise Test levels, decreases them. Regardless, that's hardly the only reason why using recreational drugs while trying to build muscle is a bad idea.
 
Thank you very much for saying what I wanted to say just in case the OP dun goofed and tried to argue.

Anything that doesn't raise Test levels, decreases them. Regardless, that's hardly the only reason why using recreational drugs while trying to build muscle is a bad idea.


I've been using opiates for years and I learned when I abused the hellish withdrawals are not worth it. I don't need a lesson on how using them can turn into a daily habit.

Thanks the info though!
 
Jesus fucking Christ.

Why rely on a substance to get you through the hardships of life and take shortcuts to emotions you can't normally feel?

A kid wants to better himself and improve his life while you're simply trying to drag him back into a pathetic life of depravity and dependence, probably as a defense mechanism just so you don't feel alone in all of this. When you've already had a dependency on a certain class of drugs, you've lost all privileges to use it "responsibly" ever again. This is darwinism at it's finest, and I really hope anyone dumb enough to do this goes through withdrawal hell just to finally learn a fucking lesson.

COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!
I was addicted to this stuff for 10 years and now have been clean for 4 years and its the BEST thing i have ever done (giving up that is). Opiates just enslave you, you end up with nothing and little motivation to train well. If the complacency and constipation aint enough what about all the money... An exercise high is equivalent or actually better because it has only positive effects and doesnt cost anything more than hard effort. IMO you are disadvantaging yourself using opiates, it will be very hard to reach your very best. I hope you can workout what is most important in your life.
 
I might have to put that on my Facebook status.

This is what it comes down to... I made that choice a few days ago. My old dope dealer called me up after work, he just got out of jail a few months ago and got back into the game and was letting me know he was good. I was feeling very stressed at the time with work and the bullshit with my girl so I was thinking about copping a few bundles. I had more than enough money in my account. When I got home I asked myself do I want dope or do I want to keep working on my body. I choose to keep working on my body; I ordered some protien, some more Masteron E, some more Fina to brew, and some more NPP.

Why use a substance that is only going to make me feel good for a few hours when I can lift, take my gear, and feel good for for the rest of my life anytime I look in the mirror or when a girl looks at me and smiles?
good boy.stick with the iron plates.wish i never got involved with dope or any opiates.ever.held me back from doing what i was meant to do...
 
A very Quick Fact about Opiates (Dope) Is that you will allways lose more from Dope then you can gain from dope.

What you lose, and what you gain is the lesson you learn in the end.

Regardless of usage.
 
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