Hi All,
I'm glad to be apart of this community and this is my first post. A brief overview of my situation. I have been struggling with opiate addiction for several years and went to my 4th rehab back in August last year in which between my time there and coming home I got close to 90 days clean. I ended up relapsing on poppy tea for 2 weeks due to the extended difficulties with PAWS and a stressful environment living at home with my frustrated parents who I had dragged through alot. I have been on subutex for close to 11 months now although in march and late April I made two attempts to get off subs by switching to vicodin and other fast acting opiates to mask the withdrawal symptoms of subutex as it exited my system over the 2 weeks I was taking minimal doses of pills to hold of feeling shitty. Then as usual I lost control of my using and by week 3 knew I was going down a slippery slope fast and stopped and went back onto suboxone again. I am apart of AA and while I don't go to many meetings I see my sponsor 4-5x a week and while he's 60 and I'm 27 he's become a close friend and is like family to me with the support he's offered.
Anyways since April I committed to making huge changes in my life to work on learning to relive life on life's terms and how to cope with handling feelings as well as becoming a better person towards others in my personal and work life. I am currently taking 1-3 mg a day of subutex which I snort because I find it more effective and keeps me more level.
I was blessed to get a great job in July which has been going very well and at this point I want to really try to get off subutex or work on trying to reboot by getting it all out of my system and if I have some withdrawals still - I could have a fresh start by trying to use the lowest dose needed as suggested by Robert326 or "Roberts Suboxone Detox schedule" and therefore try to get off completely over his suggested timeline. It's been too hard for me to consistently try to stick to a taper since I've been hovering around 2mg a day and I've read that this really is one of the major hurdles to get through. So here I am once again wanting to try to find a way to get the suboxone out of my system by using something else to mask it's potential withdrawal symptoms as it leaves my body. I know continuing to try to do this as I've failed in thr past is the definition of insanity but I want sobriety so badly that I will never give up hope or trying - by any means possible.
As I mentioned I've been at on average 2-3 mg snorted daily throughout the day. 20 days ago, I once again made a switch to vicodin in which I used vicodin for 8 days before running out and then going back to subutex for 4 days - where I used 4mg, 3mg ,2mg and 1mg over that period. Then I was able to find more pills and stay off subs for another 6 days. Then three days this week I once again took 4 and 3mg and 1.5 mg as those amounts helped me feel level and normal to handle work. On Thursday I decided that I've made progress in getting sub out of my system by going 14 of 20 days without subs ( I know my timeline above is not be precise but thats the jist of it) and that since I had no pills left I went to a methadone clinic and was given 30mg that day. Now I know bupe is a partial agonist and has a high affinity to binding to the receptors but nonetheless I felt the methadone which I know is a full opioid. Did the sub however limit the amount of methadone that was able to attach to my mu receptors? Yesterday I had them bump my dose to 45 mg which got me to partially nodding by 6 hours in (got through work fine) the reason I bumped my dose is that I went today (day 3) and got my dose and then also my 45mg take home. I AM DONE WITH THE CLINIC and did it so that i could get the tale home. I plan to go as long as I can until I feel some withdrawals to start using the 45 mg they gave me. And plan to use as little as possible to make it last 5-7 days taking aroind 5-8mg (ml?) Since it's liquid a day.
I know methadone is strong but during the time I used the vicodin I was able to switch right back onto the sub the same day I ran out - and it was stupid that I did this because I felt perfectly fine and was more so just chasing the dragon - which I know is a sign I still crave. But anyways this also proved I am not dependent on full agonist opiate (oxy etc.) And so my thoughts are that if I use methadone for this short time that it will let me get the sub out and have a new start at trying to taper or be done for good. I'd really appreciate any suggestion thanks
I'm glad to be apart of this community and this is my first post. A brief overview of my situation. I have been struggling with opiate addiction for several years and went to my 4th rehab back in August last year in which between my time there and coming home I got close to 90 days clean. I ended up relapsing on poppy tea for 2 weeks due to the extended difficulties with PAWS and a stressful environment living at home with my frustrated parents who I had dragged through alot. I have been on subutex for close to 11 months now although in march and late April I made two attempts to get off subs by switching to vicodin and other fast acting opiates to mask the withdrawal symptoms of subutex as it exited my system over the 2 weeks I was taking minimal doses of pills to hold of feeling shitty. Then as usual I lost control of my using and by week 3 knew I was going down a slippery slope fast and stopped and went back onto suboxone again. I am apart of AA and while I don't go to many meetings I see my sponsor 4-5x a week and while he's 60 and I'm 27 he's become a close friend and is like family to me with the support he's offered.
Anyways since April I committed to making huge changes in my life to work on learning to relive life on life's terms and how to cope with handling feelings as well as becoming a better person towards others in my personal and work life. I am currently taking 1-3 mg a day of subutex which I snort because I find it more effective and keeps me more level.
I was blessed to get a great job in July which has been going very well and at this point I want to really try to get off subutex or work on trying to reboot by getting it all out of my system and if I have some withdrawals still - I could have a fresh start by trying to use the lowest dose needed as suggested by Robert326 or "Roberts Suboxone Detox schedule" and therefore try to get off completely over his suggested timeline. It's been too hard for me to consistently try to stick to a taper since I've been hovering around 2mg a day and I've read that this really is one of the major hurdles to get through. So here I am once again wanting to try to find a way to get the suboxone out of my system by using something else to mask it's potential withdrawal symptoms as it leaves my body. I know continuing to try to do this as I've failed in thr past is the definition of insanity but I want sobriety so badly that I will never give up hope or trying - by any means possible.
As I mentioned I've been at on average 2-3 mg snorted daily throughout the day. 20 days ago, I once again made a switch to vicodin in which I used vicodin for 8 days before running out and then going back to subutex for 4 days - where I used 4mg, 3mg ,2mg and 1mg over that period. Then I was able to find more pills and stay off subs for another 6 days. Then three days this week I once again took 4 and 3mg and 1.5 mg as those amounts helped me feel level and normal to handle work. On Thursday I decided that I've made progress in getting sub out of my system by going 14 of 20 days without subs ( I know my timeline above is not be precise but thats the jist of it) and that since I had no pills left I went to a methadone clinic and was given 30mg that day. Now I know bupe is a partial agonist and has a high affinity to binding to the receptors but nonetheless I felt the methadone which I know is a full opioid. Did the sub however limit the amount of methadone that was able to attach to my mu receptors? Yesterday I had them bump my dose to 45 mg which got me to partially nodding by 6 hours in (got through work fine) the reason I bumped my dose is that I went today (day 3) and got my dose and then also my 45mg take home. I AM DONE WITH THE CLINIC and did it so that i could get the tale home. I plan to go as long as I can until I feel some withdrawals to start using the 45 mg they gave me. And plan to use as little as possible to make it last 5-7 days taking aroind 5-8mg (ml?) Since it's liquid a day.
I know methadone is strong but during the time I used the vicodin I was able to switch right back onto the sub the same day I ran out - and it was stupid that I did this because I felt perfectly fine and was more so just chasing the dragon - which I know is a sign I still crave. But anyways this also proved I am not dependent on full agonist opiate (oxy etc.) And so my thoughts are that if I use methadone for this short time that it will let me get the sub out and have a new start at trying to taper or be done for good. I'd really appreciate any suggestion thanks
