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Opioids Using fentanyl patch to make kratom withdrawals less severe

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phillycheese93

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So I know this sounds a little bit ridiculous but is there any chance that if I wear a 75mcg fentanyl patch for 3 days, that the kratom withdrawals will be more drawn out but less intense? The reason why I say fentanyl is because I tried this approach before for a day and it didn't fully get rid of the withdrawals, maybe only like 30% of the withdrawals, but made it more manageable. So I'm thinking if I wear the patch for 3 days, most of the major withdrawals will be gone, and after I take the patch off I'll just deal with the rest of the two days.

What do you guys think? I'm just having one hell of a time trying to get off of it.
 
How bad can kratom withdrawals really be? Just curious.

But yes it would of course help but they might come back after the patch is gone?
 
Mentally, just as bad as heroin withdrawals, at least for me. The aching of joints and soreness or muscles don't bother me and are not that bad as other opiates, but the mental aspect of it is worse and just plain awful. Feels like I'm losing my mind.

But even if the withdrawals would come back after the patch wears off I think they would be much less mild. It would also give me a piece of mind.

I'm just trying to figure out if this would be a good idea or not.
 
I don't know, personally I wouldn't do it. Fentanyl is overkill for a detox from kratom-fentanyl is much, much stronger. Most likely it would just jack up your tolerance, then give you extra-intense withdrawals to worry about. Not to mention, fentanyl's effective and lethal dose ranges are really close to one another, so it's not a safe opioid to use casually.

Loperamide can be really good for withdrawals, why not try that and some weed/occasional benzo's/clonidine?
 
I wouldn't do this either. Maybe a very small dose of Buprenorphine (like 0,5-1mg) once could achieve your desired effect.
But I'd rather go with some Gabapentin/Pregabalin a few Benzos and the usual WD-remedies. The Gaba really helps with the mental aspect as well as diminishing the physical symptoms.

Good luck!
 
phillycheese93 said:
But even if the withdrawals would come back after the patch wears off I think they would be much less mild. It would also give me a piece of mind.

I'm just trying to figure out if this would be a good idea or not.
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Why would you expect withdrawal to lessen while on the fentanyl patch? I'm sure your aware that not only are they completely cross tolerant, but fentanyl is way stronger right? If anything you'll be in a slightly worse position after the patch wears off, you certainly won't be making any progress. If detoxing from opiates was as easy as switching opioids for the duration of withdrawal there would be no addicts on maintenance therapy.

Get ahold of some gabapentin and/or baclofen, they really take the edge of both the physical and mental aspect of kratom with IME, especially the gabapentin. In combination with a benzo, absorbable magnesium, and some cannabis functioning should be pretty easy. If you have decent willpower a proper taper will ease the mental shellshock of suddenly going off opioids. To answer the second part, it's a terrible idea lol.
 
bad idea. I tried kratom to get off of fent, smoking a couple 100mcg patches a day for months, and it was brutal even with a ton of 2mg klonopin 30mg restoril and almost unlimited Soma. Lesson learned - smoking fent IS the crack of the opiate world... and yet i'd extract a patch right now if i had access.

I've had luck using fent patches to ease H withdrawal, slapping a couple on and wearing them for a week of two as they slowly wear out... but when i tried that for fent WD it just made it take a lot longer and i ended up ripping them off @ day 4.

Luckily i have an appointment with a sub doc wednesday and i'm really hoping he helps me out. Ever since that fent run i have no control.. WD'ing from a morphine run as we speak... kratom, klonopin and soma.. and im still miserable.
 
Some of the symptoms of opiate withdrawal are thought to be due to lingering effects of the small amount of residual opioids that remain in the body after the acute effects wear off. Opioids typically produce inhibitory effects via the mu receptor, but after chronic use some of the receptors show an excitatory response to low concentrations of opioids. So for example with morphine, 12-72 hours after the last dose there is not enough drug in the body to block withdrawal but there is a sufficient amount to produce paradoxical excitatory effects.

My point is that anytime you interupt withdrawal by taking another opioid, it will help you feel better but you are just restarting to clock because now you have to detox from the second drug. So it is generally a bad idea to use opioids to treat opioid withdrawal. The exception is if you detox by gradually reducing your dose, because that spreads the withdrawal out over a much longer period.
 
phillycheese93 said:
So I know this sounds a little bit ridiculous but is there any chance that if I wear a 75mcg fentanyl patch for 3 days, that the kratom withdrawals will be more drawn out but less intense? The reason why I say fentanyl is because I tried this approach before for a day and it didn't fully get rid of the withdrawals, maybe only like 30% of the withdrawals, but made it more manageable. So I'm thinking if I wear the patch for 3 days, most of the major withdrawals will be gone, and after I take the patch off I'll just deal with the rest of the two days.

What do you guys think? I'm just having one hell of a time trying to get off of it.
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Man up bro, dont get on the strongest opiod there is to get off of the weakest opiate effect out there. Makes no sense.:?
 
If it's a bad idea to use opioids to treat opioid withdrawal, then how come when I was in detox they gave me methadone for a week and a half or so to ease heroin withdrawals with no subsequent problems? Just asking. Anyway, re the fent, never tried it so haven't any expertise here. I take kratom, but never been addicted, glad to say. Hope the poster finds a solution here to ease his misery. I can relate.
 
Using strong opioids to treat addiction to strong opioids makes sense.

Using fentnanyl for kratom addiction is kind of like prescribing 160mg of methadone daily for someone who is a recreational Tylenol 3 user. It's overkill and isn't gonna get you off the opioids!
 
Kratom is a comparatively weak opioid compared to either methadone or fentanyl... if you use those to treat kratom withdrawal you will just make your WD worse when you stop the methadone. The issue is, methadone and fentanyl activate the opioid receptors much more completely as well as binding tighter. Kratom does not have the same strength of effect, it is comparatively weak as an opioid, but it does have other activity as a mild adrenaline-releasing stimulant too.

Right now your body is used to a certain amount of opioid activation as well as a certain amount of stimulation from the kratom. If you switch from kratom to fentanyl/methadone, you will have a mild w/d initially as your body adjusts to a lack of stimulation, and will adjust to having much stronger opioids as a baseline. As soon as you discontinue methadone/fentanyl you will be back in opioid withdrawal, only worse this time because you've been using a very potent opioid rather than a weak one.

You can switch onto methadone/fentanyl and titrate your dose down, but... why can't you do that with kratom? It will not be any easier trying to decrease your dose of a stronger opioid than a weaker one. As much as it might hurt to hear... kratom withdrawls are already the easiest they're going to get. Getting onto a stronger opioid will only help you in the short term. If you absolutely demand an opioid for maintenance you should be looking into weak opioids like tramadol and codeine.
 
Way worse IMO/E!!
Methadone and Fentanyl are both already quite stronger than Heroin´s withdraws. Specially Methadone due to its longer life time.
I mean really worse. Besides, it may take you more than 12-15 days to ease down the physical withdraw only to commence a mental struggle.
An endless one, so to speak. I´m on my 3rd month, almost 90 days and still have restlessness from methadone only.
 
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