Using chili peppers to burn drug abusers

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Using chili peppers to burn drug abusers
A hot idea
By William J. Cromie
Harvard News Office

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Clifford Woolf wants to "burn" people who abuse pain drugs with the ingredient that makes chili peppers hot. (Staff photo Jon Chase/Harvard News Office)

Two years ago, Clifford Woolf and some colleagues discovered that chili peppers and the burning pain of arthritis have something in common. Capsaicin, the chemical responsible for the "hot" in peppers, acts on a protein that also responds to the heat and high acidity associated with painful inflammation in the joints and skin.

Recently, the Richard J. Kitz Professor of Anesthesia Research at Harvard Medical School hit on the idea of using the same irritating chemical to "burn" people who illegally use pain medications. When an abuser of a medication like OxyContin snorts, chews, or injects the drug, he or she would get intense hot pain instead of an expected happy high. A patient taking the same capsaicin-laced pill could get needed relief and avoid unpleasant sensations simply by swallowing the pills whole, as directed.

"If a formulation containing capsaicin is swallowed whole, release of the irritant in the stomach and small intestine would not cause discomfort," Woolf maintains. "The majority of the capsaicin would be cleared by the liver on first pass."

Those who obtain opium-based drugs, including morphine and methadone, by theft or subterfuge usually crush the pills and snort or chew the powder to get "high." Laced with capsaicin, such a snort or chew would produce intense pain.

"Imagine snorting an extract of 50 jalapeno peppers and you get the idea," Woolf says. "On a one to 10 scale, the pain is about a thousand. It feels like a mininuclear explosion in your mouth. It does not harm you, but you never want to experience that feeling again."

"Moreover," Woolf adds, "inhalation of the capsaicin elicits a powerful cough reflex and severe pain if it leaks into certain tissues after an intravenous injection. In human volunteers, intravenous administration of capsaicin produces a widespread burning feeling of the chest, face, rectum and extremities as well as paroxysmal coughing." Otherwise, capsaicin appears to be safe.

Woolf thus sees capsaicin as one possible way to stem the rising tide of abuse of opium-based painkillers. "Such abuse is now a major societal problem, with an incidence that appears to exceed the use of street narcotics such as heroin and cocaine," he told a meeting called the Research and Policy Forum in Washington, D.C., on Dec. 15.

Turning off pain

Capsaicin works by hitting on a protein known as TRPV1, which transports its fiery message into the nervous system via sensory nerves in the mouth and other areas. TRPV1 also is activated by the heat and acidity produced by arthritis and other inflammatory conditions.

"Finding this out helps us to understand why these inflammatory conditions increase pain and sensitivity to heat," Woolf says.

Production of TRPV1 is controlled by an enzyme called p38, located within the sensory nerves. p38 acts like a faucet - turn it on and it can cause a 20-fold increase in the amount of TRPV1 in the skin. That's the kind of increase that will get anyone's attention.

It immediately became obvious to Woolf and his colleagues at Massachusetts General Hospital that finding a compound to turn off the p38 faucet would block any increase in TRPV1 and turn down the sensitivity to pain. In other words, this could be a new way to treat the pain felt by people who suffer from arthritis and many other diseases and conditions that involve inflammation.

Other approaches are also available. Drugs might be developed to block TRPV1, the capsaicin receiver, and several pharmaceutical companies are looking into this possibility.

Curbing abuse

Woolf has also had discussions with drug-makers about developing capsaicin-based compounds to deter the abuse of pain relievers. "It is only a relatively trivial task to formulate a product that would not release active capsaicin to patients taking the drug legally, that is, swallowed whole," he notes. "But the capsaicin would be released if the drug is crushed, injected, or chewed."

This same approach, Woolf points out, could be used for curbing the abuse of stimulants, such as amphetamines or Ritalin. The later drug is used legitimately for treating attention deficient disorder.

There is one thorny issue to deal with, however. Who would bear the cost of developing a drug that has no benefit to a legitimate user? Patients who take a drug like morphine in the prescribed fashion for relief of pain would get no benefit from the capsaicin. Therefore, development might have to be done by a government agency, such as the National Institute of Drug Abuse.

"Doing this could result in a large indirect benefit to patients," Woolf points out. "The stigma of taking narcotic drugs would be removed. It should be easier to get such medications prescribed by doctors who are currently terrified of being accused of over prescribing narcotics. And, pharmacies would be at a lower risk of theft and robbery.

"The biggest benefit, though, will be to society as a whole, because pain medicine abuse now is such a massive epidemic."

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/daily/2004/12/21-capsaicin.html
 
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I saw this a while back...the only thing is, I don't think it's be very effective. Oxycodone is soluble in water, capsaicin isn't..
 
So capsaicin would be a mandatory ingredient in all opiate-based medicines?

If so - as nuke said - a cold water extraction would do the trick.

What a dumb idea.
 
I dunno... those highly trained teams of research chemists employed by pharmaceutical companies, and inspired by NIDA miiiiight just be on to that. I find it hard to believe that they would ignore the wealth of information on how folks like to tinker with medications when coming up with a novel new way to deter recreational use. It may not be easy to make capsaicin mix with water, but those guys are pretty clever.

Eh.. but then again, where is the $$ in that?
 
inhalation of the capsaicin elicits a powerful cough reflex

This is not safe at all. Those who have breathing problems such as asthma would be in deep shit if they were to get a nasty dose of capsaicin. I tried finding some numbers, and in the UK alone, over 5.2 million people have been diagnosed. I guess it is the start of the creation of the Superior Race. First people with asthma will be wiped out, next is anyone with brown hair.

Also, many drugs are prescribed in forms other than tablets, rendering this useless.

And government should stay the fuck out of business. The FDA and the NDA are complete disasters and a huge factor why pharms are so god damn expensive. I've always been against the whole "the government has the cure for aids and cancer and is just holding it back" but you know what, we may very well have those cures but they aren't allowed to be manufactured because they cause heart complications like Vioxx. If the government tries to manufacture drugs, that will be a disaster too. They will be overpriced, function poorly, and be hard to obtain. The government has failed every time it tried to step in business from the Interstate Highway System to NASA. Business people know what the fuck their doing, politicians don't.

If something is such a great idea, businesses would have done it already. If you believe something is wonderful, than spend YOUR money and invest YOUR money in it.
 
CreativeRandom,

Exactly! There would be WAY too many variables adding such a chemical to these pills........

Allergies, people that are just plain out sensitive to the substance, plus all the added 'side effects' that just capsaicin alone brings with it....

Although, as i typed this up and googled for the effects of capsaicin i found:

Capsaicin high::A euphoric sensation caused by the consumption of large quantities of capsaicin from capsaicin-laden foods. It's theorized that the pain induced by capsaicin causes the human body to release endorphins. Eventually, enough are released to create a sensation that is frequently compared to "runner's high."

so i dunno....doubt this would ever actually be an additive to opiates.....but by it self capsaicin is a really interesting substance :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsaicin
 
{In human volunteers, intravenous administration of capsaicin produces a widespread burning feeling of the chest, face, rectum and extremities as well as paroxysmal coughing." Otherwise, capsaicin appears to be safe.}

Hah, yea, appears to be safe. Now they can add another health related problem to shooting pills, having a fiery red anus....rectum? Damn near killed him!

I'm sorry everyone, i couldn't resist lol

I agree with the above post, adding a substance like that to pills would be asking for all sorts of health risks. Many people do not process capsaicin well, and some have seriously adverse reactions such as allergic reactions, which can include rash, asthma attacks, explosive diarhhea, and other maladies.

But just like any other potential abuse proof feature, the solution can been cracked before it even comes out on the market. I've said it before and i will say it again, drug users are some of the smartest people.....
 
I can see lawsuits. If on a scale from 1-10, its 1000!? Thats incredibly cruel
 
Hah, yea, appears to be safe. Now they can add another health related problem to shooting pills, having a fiery red anus....rectum? Damn near killed him!


thats what i was thinking.. there's no way i would want to shit out the extract of 50 jalepeno peppers!
 
also, it seems like it would be easy for someone who was using the drugs legitimately to accidentally chew the pill or something.
 
maybetinymaybesad said:
also, it seems like it would be easy for someone who was using the drugs legitimately to accidentally chew the pill or something.

or people who migh break a pill in half because they don't need a full dosage..
 
so the way theyre gonna get back at people using drugs is to use drugs to poison them?
 
When an abuser of a medication like OxyContin snorts, chews, or injects the drug, he or she would get intense hot pain instead of an expected happy high. A patient taking the same capsaicin-laced pill could get needed relief and avoid unpleasant sensations simply by swallowing the pills whole, as directed.

DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

imo the best way to do Oxy is to parachute it. what fucking idiots.

by the way, call me a freak, but i LOOOOVE the burn from hot peppers. i eat jalepenos in everything, and even eat halbeneros from time to time. sometimes i go and lick the side of a halbenero just to burn my tounge. id be all about chewing up a jalepeno oxycontin. fucking idiots. but still what dumbasses this will stop them!!! lol never heard of parachuting or just cutting the damn pill in half and swallowing it.
 
THE WOOD said:
DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

imo the best way to do Oxy is to parachute it. what fucking idiots.

by the way, call me a freak, but i LOOOOVE the burn from hot peppers. i eat jalepenos in everything, and even eat halbeneros from time to time. sometimes i go and lick the side of a halbenero just to burn my tounge. id be all about chewing up a jalepeno oxycontin. fucking idiots. but still what dumbasses this will stop them!!! lol never heard of parachuting or just cutting the damn pill in half and swallowing it.

masochist...
 
THE WOOD said:
DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

imo the best way to do Oxy is to parachute it. what fucking idiots.

by the way, call me a freak, but i LOOOOVE the burn from hot peppers. i eat jalepenos in everything, and even eat halbeneros from time to time. sometimes i go and lick the side of a halbenero just to burn my tounge. id be all about chewing up a jalepeno oxycontin. fucking idiots. but still what dumbasses this will stop them!!! lol never heard of parachuting or just cutting the damn pill in half and swallowing it.
the burn from the oil they are on about wouldn't be like eating a pepper, it would be a like spraying mace in your mouth or directly up your nose (it is usually made of 18% capsicum oil)
 
just imagine going to Oporto's and asking for a double chicken with 50 jalapeno peppers Oxy extract

fuck that would hit the spot -
 
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