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US Senate Subcommittee Finds Covid19 was Lab Made

The same reason governments funnel billions into CERN and fusion research. It's a huge fucking gravy train for everyone involved, and it's a perpetual one at that. No discernible end point for it, just keep shovelling in more money. Fusion is always just "twenty years away!".

It's the same trick used over and over again. Whether it be scientific pursuits, pharmaceuticals, war, what have you. The easiest market in the world is the one you conjure out of nothing and which the public can not dispute one way or the other.
I got some insight into this a couple of years back while working at a local hospital that has been at the forefront of addiction treatment, research, and education - all things that ostensibly I am supportive of. The hospital was awarded 54 million in grant funding to be used to support additional research and develop new treatment methods to deal with addictive disorders. When I started to go through and look at the various ways that the money was getting spread around, it became increasingly apparent that a large amount of the money was being channeled into small projects, of which there were numerous, funding salaries for their study leads and administrative staff. Many of these projects were not particularly groundbreaking, and yet, given the sheer number of them within the hospital, a huge chunk of the 54 million got gobbled up by these sort of redundant positions within the various clinics. The PIs get their little projects funded, the money gets to be "put towards addictions research" and in the end, it has very little positive impact on the people money like this is supposed to be helping.

I had this feeling of disgust when I saw how skewed the money always is in providing means for the research gravy train to take care of itself, rather than to actually use that money to address any real systemic needs for people struggling with addictions.

Why fix the issues related to addiction when you can create maintenance infrastructure and milk those sweet suffering dollars along the way?
 
I got some insight into this a couple of years back while working at a local hospital that has been at the forefront of addiction treatment, research, and education - all things that ostensibly I am supportive of.
I've worked in an NHS hospital before and I saw the same profligate waste. For example, every year they are allocated a certain budget for IT systems. If that money does not get spent then next year the budget 'might be' reduced, therefore they spend it regardless of whether they need to. So they bought a bunch of fancy new computers, when they could quite easily do all they needed on Windows 95 computers running Pentium II chips. No one is doing anything remotely intensive; emails, some crappy NHS software for appointments, etc.

At the same time the basement levels, where I worked, had cockroaches and broken asbestos. Me and a colleague were so close to taking it the newspapers, but then it probably wouldn't amount to shit because so many hospitals are just the same, and no one fucking cares. You wouldn't believe the denial and gaslighting about it either from the managers and administrators; they clearly knew about it, but being a young guy they thought they could just talk down and try to intimidate me. Fucking cunts.

Anytime someone extols the NHS to me it makes my fucking blood boil. It's a veneer over a pile of dogshit.

In relation to covid, I know someone's family relation who works in the NHS who got wind about the AstraZenica trials (before they released the jabs) from someone working on them, and the fact it had been causing transverse myelitis in trial patients. And what was their response to that knowledge? Basically 'hush hush'. Like what the fuck? You knew these things were damaging and you choose to not say anything?

And people wonder why I'm so cynical and bitter. The corruption is everywhere.
 
More like completely negligent gain of function research. STRAIGHT UP CHINA-Flu. Trump right on the money….. again! The Hoax list needs another page. 99.9% survived the Chia flu… 99.9% will not survive their shot of Fent today but here we are being dumb about Covid.

And for those still trying to figure out the “significance of the passage of time“ and how to best lob Johnnys penis off at 5 years old…. WHY WAS IT COVERED UP SO STRINGENTLY? Why did the CDC fund it? Two very simple questions
OK, first. The case fatality rate of Covid in 2020 was between 1% and 2%. We won’t go into excess deaths found later and just say that, by all accounts it was around 10X more deadly than the flu.
What has made all the minimizing so easy to believe is how the death rate panned out across age groups. It ticked up some at 40, got to be serious in your 50’s, and really turned into a killer at the age of 60 and up. The death rate was actually kinda low in your 30’s and was minimal below that.

So, the numbers now show that over one million Americans retired early in the first couple years of Covid. I was one of them. We saw that the attitude that it was OK to throw grandma and grandpa under the bus for the economy was being pushed and we said, “OK, see ya.!” There was actually a Repug congressman who said that he believed the the older Americans would be eager to sacrifice themselves to save the economy. OK, bye.

Virii evolve to become less virulent. That’s why people aren’t dying from Spanish Flu right now. So, Covid is much less of an issue now.

Second. Gain of Function research was not actually illegal until 2023. It was controlled. There was a moratorium in 2014 which was lifted 3 years later and some regulation was placed.
Do you know what gain of function actually means?
 
I'll just put this right here:

This pretty much vindicates anyone who was aware this was all a scam about power and control, organized by deep-state and globalist rot.

Turns out that everything they called a conspiracy was true.
Okay, so first thing is first: the way in which the PsyOp the CIA/Trump/Elon/Peter Thiel had going known as Qanon kind of diverted attention from the fact the COVID thing was a big PsyOp equally so. You had brainwashed fuckheads arguing with other brainwashed fuckheads about who's brainwashing was more relevant. This spread out beyond the borders of the USA into every nation in the West which led many to believe it was the East that put forth such evil (which it may well have been influenced by to some extent since we don't fully know. But, we do see a lot of ties to (for example) business executives like the Exxon Mobile guy who got doxxed as sponsoring Qmaps...

Anyway, a conspiracy theory is just that: a theory that something is a conspiracy. No one should have denied that they were a conspiracy theorist as it quite literally was a conspiracy against both sides of the argument. Both sides nothing more than worthless pawns. Ego got in the way of sight.

Sick of hearing about this shit since everything they wanted to have happen did because both sides responded (roughly) as expected.

Edit: Oh, right, that is what I meant to say also: Trump was supposed to "fight the deep state" and "drain the swamp" and then look at the funds and resources that got him into power along with JD Vance. All directly ties back to the CIA which is the exact thing these people claimed to have been opposed to... they literally can now be exposed as culprits. Yes, they called out the obvious while distracting their worshipers from the fact they were quickly becoming the new ring leaders which is what the formed power structure was trying to prevent due to the devastating consequences that would come forth as a result of such. Next 4 years is going to be the usual act, and by the time all is said and done the US will be less free than when it all began because the administration's worshipers will have willingly given their freedoms up so Trump and Elon could be in control of their nation. Americans are not very smart whatsoever from what I have come to find.

Thanks for sharing the information though.
 
It's really unfortunate that covid topics cannot be uncoupled with politics. I'm actually a huge conspiracy aficionado. I love a good conspiracy, but find the bad ones to be boring. The problem with covid is that it you can't have a reasonable discussion without either side becoming emotional, then taking political stances and spewing out their related insults.

I think it's actually an interesting topic from a scientific mystery aspect. It's just frustrating that, to me, it seems as if people can't be open minded or admit they may be wrong, because to do so would be admitting their political stance is wrong. I think that's misguided and the two really have very little to do with each other in the end. People can't look at it objectively without bringing up political crap, and people always get so emotional over politics.
 
I got some insight into this a couple of years back while working at a local hospital that has been at the forefront of addiction treatment, research, and education - all things that ostensibly I am supportive of. The hospital was awarded 54 million in grant funding to be used to support additional research and develop new treatment methods to deal with addictive disorders. When I started to go through and look at the various ways that the money was getting spread around, it became increasingly apparent that a large amount of the money was being channeled into small projects, of which there were numerous, funding salaries for their study leads and administrative staff. Many of these projects were not particularly groundbreaking, and yet, given the sheer number of them within the hospital, a huge chunk of the 54 million got gobbled up by these sort of redundant positions within the various clinics. The PIs get their little projects funded, the money gets to be "put towards addictions research" and in the end, it has very little positive impact on the people money like this is supposed to be helping.

I had this feeling of disgust when I saw how skewed the money always is in providing means for the research gravy train to take care of itself, rather than to actually use that money to address any real systemic needs for people struggling with addictions.

Why fix the issues related to addiction when you can create maintenance infrastructure and milk those sweet suffering dollars along the way?

this is the face of corruption in liberal democracies - no-questions-asked funding to so-called experts that never have to demonstrate their usefulness or competency, all they have to do is help legitimize whatever the government wants to spin as the truth.

as long as the current factions remain in power, they're going to keep terrorizing us with the spectre of world-ending crises that needs ACTION NOW (i.e. gimme gimme gimme)

case in point -

 
It's really unfortunate that covid topics cannot be uncoupled with politics. I'm actually a huge conspiracy aficionado. I love a good conspiracy, but find the bad ones to be boring. The problem with covid is that it you can't have a reasonable discussion without either side becoming emotional, then taking political stances and spewing out their related insults.

I think it's actually an interesting topic from a scientific mystery aspect. It's just frustrating that, to me, it seems as if people can't be open minded or admit they may be wrong, because to do so would be admitting their political stance is wrong. I think that's misguided and the two really have very little to do with each other in the end. People can't look at it objectively without bringing up political crap, and people always get so emotional over politics.

I don't have a political stance though. I hate everyone who was involved in this harmful lie, regardless of their politics. I was more conveniently able to talk about it with right wingers because the people in charge were left wing. I'm sure it would've been the opposite if the right wing had been in charge. It's their politics that determine who is safe to talk to about it. For me it's non-partisan.

I'm mad at humanity as a whole for giving up their human rights over fear. But it's the same old story.
 
I'm mad at humanity as a whole for giving up their human rights over fear. But it's the same old story.

it's funny how atheists are the most gung-ho about giving up their agency to trust the science

what's the point rejecting god if you're going to just go worship man? seems pretty stupid to me, but i don't claim to be a great intellect...
 
I don't have a political stance though. I hate everyone who was involved in this harmful lie, regardless of their politics. I was more conveniently able to talk about it with right wingers because the people in charge were left wing. I'm sure it would've been the opposite if the right wing had been in charge. It's their politics that determine who is safe to talk to about it. For me it's non-partisan.

I'm mad at humanity as a whole for giving up their human rights over fear. But it's the same old story.
Both sides hated me for speaking the truth about it. It is non-partisan, but I think @Quasimoto was meaning that this is his point. It can't be discussed because people think it is political when in actuality it really isn't; its quite straight-forward. Super annoying seeing through both sides' shit and being hated by almost everybody because you refused to be brainwashed. Its kind of like the whole politicization of drug use/addiction. Fucking annoying because its politicized, but science is apolitical... Well, in a perfect world anyway... Heh.
 
Both sides hated me for speaking the truth about it. It is non-partisan, but I think @Quasimoto was meaning that this is his point. It can't be discussed because people think it is political when in actuality it really isn't; its quite straight-forward. Super annoying seeing through both sides' shit and being hated by almost everybody because you refused to be brainwashed. Its kind of like the whole politicization of drug use/addiction. Fucking annoying because its politicized, but science is apolitical... Well, in a perfect world anyway... Heh.

Politicization is how they keep people polarized and fighting, instead of coming together and attacking the real problem. They do this with everything.

They turned vaccination itself into polarized dogma. You were left wing if you supported the vax and "science," right wing if you refused the vax and talked about "conspiracy theories." It was incredible how they got the left to abandon "my body my choice" so easily. It was such bogus bullshit. They have the right vs. left fighting over every facet of life now, and people eat it up. It's pathetic.
 
it's funny how atheists are the most gung-ho about giving up their agency to trust the science

what's the point rejecting god if you're going to just go worship man? seems pretty stupid to me, but i don't claim to be a great intellect...

What you just said is a major point of contention among political philosophers right now, on the topic of human rights.

If people don't worship god they will just worship some other human-world power, and that is dangerous because the human world is imperfect.

Our rights are supposed to be unalienable and divinely ordained. If god no longer exists then our rights can be equivocated.

Of course... if your rights are no better than toilet paper in the first place, like the Charter of Rights in Canada, then it's a moot argument. The document was written to be subverted when convenient.
 
I've worked in an NHS hospital before and I saw the same profligate waste. For example, every year they are allocated a certain budget for IT systems. If that money does not get spent then next year the budget 'might be' reduced, therefore they spend it regardless of whether they need to. So they bought a bunch of fancy new computers, when they could quite easily do all they needed on Windows 95 computers running Pentium II chips. No one is doing anything remotely intensive; emails, some crappy NHS software for appointments, etc.
Grant spend-down is something I'm intimately familiar with. It's absolutely an issue within health care and city government (two areas I have experience working within).
At the same time the basement levels, where I worked, had cockroaches and broken asbestos. Me and a colleague were so close to taking it the newspapers, but then it probably wouldn't amount to shit because so many hospitals are just the same, and no one fucking cares. You wouldn't believe the denial and gaslighting about it either from the managers and administrators; they clearly knew about it, but being a young guy they thought they could just talk down and try to intimidate me. Fucking cunts.
The banality of evil.
Anytime someone extols the NHS to me it makes my fucking blood boil. It's a veneer over a pile of dogshit.

In relation to covid, I know someone's family relation who works in the NHS who got wind about the AstraZenica trials (before they released the jabs) from someone working on them, and the fact it had been causing transverse myelitis in trial patients. And what was their response to that knowledge? Basically 'hush hush'. Like what the fuck? You knew these things were damaging and you choose to not say anything?

And people wonder why I'm so cynical and bitter. The corruption is everywhere.
 
I remember being deep into a 5 month lockdown with people getting arrested for even questioning the vax. And the vaccine passes they had. I had the vax and it nearly killed me.

And my mates without the vax were allowed to only go to the supermarket and were banned from every other place. And we were forced into downloading apps on our phones to even go to the supermarket with contract tracers and scan qr codes if you didn't the scan qr code people were thrown in jail.

The scademic was insane the biggest crime in all of human history. 99.999% survival rate. I don't know anybody who died of covid but a couple of people i know died from the vax and a many more like myself have perma heart issues from it.


I was supportive of the covid vaccine then i got it and it nearly killed me that very night and made me wake up the fuck up to the scam going on
 
I remember being deep into a 5 month lockdown with people getting arrested for even questioning the vax. And the vaccine passes they had. I had the vax and it nearly killed me.

And my mates without the vax were allowed to only go to the supermarket and were banned from every other place. And we were forced into downloading apps on our phones to even go to the supermarket with contract tracers and scan qr codes if you didn't the scan qr code people were thrown in jail.

The scademic was insane the biggest crime in all of human history. 99.999% survival rate. I don't know anybody who died of covid but a couple of people i know died from the vax and a many more like myself have perma heart issues from it.


I was supportive of the covid vaccine then i got it and it nearly killed me that very night and made me wake up the fuck up to the scam going on
What's quite shit about the world we live in today is that we can never be too sure if reports such as yours are or are not more accurate than official reporting. Now, I, being educated to some degree or another in the medical sciences called bullshit on it all right away as did quite a few others I knew on either side of the political spectrum left or right. The governments turned us all against each other while the corporations scrambled to rake in record profits. Its fucked isn't it? It really truly is... Now, we have to somehow heal from this trauma that they intentionally caused us all because of THEIR fucking addictions? We are the only bad people though; the ones who speak out against them...

Lovely world, lovely world...
 
I remember being deep into a 5 month lockdown with people getting arrested for even questioning the vax. And the vaccine passes they had. I had the vax and it nearly killed me.

And my mates without the vax were allowed to only go to the supermarket and were banned from every other place. And we were forced into downloading apps on our phones to even go to the supermarket with contract tracers and scan qr codes if you didn't the scan qr code people were thrown in jail.
I'll never forget or forgive. Intellectual laziness and/or cowardice is fine when it only affects you, but if it contributes to an oppressive mass movement that then impacts everyone else - especially children - then that is unforgiveable. I don't think we're ever going to fully recover from this saga to be honest, the psychological damage is ongoing and most likely irreversible given it has massively accelerated the fragmentation of the social fabric both in terms of where people place their trust (in government/institutions over their fellow human) and also the atomization of people in a social aspect.

People are living in massive denial right now. The whole thing was a gigantic lie. And even if you don't recognize it on a conscious level there is some superior part of the mind that everyone has which always clocks these things before the conscious mind, which causes cognitive dissonance. We saw the same thing with 9/11 and JFK; the images on TV revealed the truth in plain sight but people only heard the lies (the narrative).

Sometimes it just hits me during the day, thinking about the laundry list of inconsistencies and incongruent aspects of the narrative. Like how the fuck can people still not see it. It is so obvious it beggars belief. But then I remember what I know about hypnosis, hysteria, and the mind, from personal experience, and just how powerful all that is. Then it's obvious why people still can't see it.
What's quite shit about the world we live in today is that we can never be too sure if reports such as yours are or are not more accurate than official reporting. Now, I, being educated to some degree or another in the medical sciences called bullshit on it all right away as did quite a few others I knew on either side of the political spectrum left or right. The governments turned us all against each other while the corporations scrambled to rake in record profits. Its fucked isn't it? It really truly is... Now, we have to somehow heal from this trauma that they intentionally caused us all because of THEIR fucking addictions? We are the only bad people though; the ones who speak out against them...

Lovely world, lovely world...
I'm middle aged now, I have seen enough, lived through enough, to know now never, ever, trust a single god damn word that comes out of the TV, the government, or the big institutions. The level of corruption, both institutionally and individually, is staggering.

What makes Covid special, and also the 'climate change' thing which will be the next event centre stage, is that they tap into 'science'. It's easy to dismiss the men in grey suits, but people have far more faith in the men in white lab coats even to the point of infallibility. Why? Because science is our modern day religion, it forms the backbone of our individual worldview and ontological construct, and that is not so easy to let go of, because while politicians are interchangeable our worldview is tied to our own sense of security in space and time. People will cling to that at all costs, because to invite doubt is to invite questions about everything you know as true.. and that is scary for people.
 
What's quite shit about the world we live in today is that we can never be too sure if reports such as yours are or are not more accurate than official reporting.

sure we can. we can invite those making such claims to substantiate them with evidence.

if claims are true, that should be quite straightforward.

people getting arrested for even questioning the vax.

can you substantiate this with evidence?

in many, if not most, states, arrest records are public so links to a couple of arrest records of individuals arrested for "questioning the vaccine" should suffice.

thanks.

alasdair
 
can you substantiate this with evidence?
I don't know about arresting in the UK, but we were certainly spying on people (both domestically and foreign) using GCHQ and military units; regular people, and also including journalists and any prominent sceptics.

Next time around though they undoubtedly will, given the language being used by Tedros (WHO), Gates, Blair, and other assorted wankstains. 'Misinformation' is becoming the new Al-Queda.
 
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