I read in a drug medical book that Urals (alkaline powder for urinary tract infections) slowed down the rate that methamphetamine (speed) is broken down by your liver, so the drug effects last alot longer than normal. I have tried Urals before popping pills and the effects of the pills last 50% longer in my opinion. I have also tried taking Urals before cocaine and the effects of the coke last 50%-100% longer. I just buy Urals from the chemist (with no prescription) in Australia, but if they are under a different name in other countries, just tell the chemist you have a urinary tract infection and get them. They also make your stomach less acidic as a by product which is good on stimulants.
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sweetillusionz69
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Anyone have a link to a site where you can accquire this drug, or a drug that has the same effects?
What actually makes it slow down the rate of it being broken down?
Thanx
CJ
What actually makes it slow down the rate of it being broken down?
Thanx
CJ
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Can you provide a link to this information that I can read through please?
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Drayen
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hmmm interesting...
i was thinking the same thing a while ago
since the more alkaline the enviroment the slower amphetamines are excreated in the urine.
this is all fine and dandy in theory but for practice i'm not sure yet. however next time i drop i'm gonna fill a couple gelcaps with some baking soda and see if that makes a difference. other peeps feel free to try this cause i'm sure the people are curious.
i was thinking the same thing a while ago
since the more alkaline the enviroment the slower amphetamines are excreated in the urine.
this is all fine and dandy in theory but for practice i'm not sure yet. however next time i drop i'm gonna fill a couple gelcaps with some baking soda and see if that makes a difference. other peeps feel free to try this cause i'm sure the people are curious.
superbabydoc
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Yes, theoretically excretion of amphetamines will be slowed by taken Ural via decreased kidney clearance of the amphetamines and increasing their reabsorption by the renal tubules (according to Drug-Reax). Ural is an Australian brand name, so people elsewhere would have to look for a local equivalent. It contains :Sodium bicarbonate 1.76 g, sodium citrate (anhyd.) 0.63 g, citric acid (anhyd.) 0.72 g, tartaric acid
djremix: even if you plug a pill, it is still metabolised by your liver and excreted in the urine. So, AFAIK Ural would still have an effect.
Is it dangerous? The Ural itself isn't, but if you aren't careful you could accidentally OD on the speed or e, so I would suggest people start low and go slow with the dosing. Don't start with three pills and three urals for example. If you do it, tell you friends, so that if you get into trouble and need medical attention, they will know to give you urinary acidifying agents. Also, keep in mind that the longer you're rolling, the more neurotoxic damage you may be doing and the more serotonin you will be depleting, so i think the anti-oxidant pre- and post-loads would be even more important in this situation.
djremix: even if you plug a pill, it is still metabolised by your liver and excreted in the urine. So, AFAIK Ural would still have an effect.
Is it dangerous? The Ural itself isn't, but if you aren't careful you could accidentally OD on the speed or e, so I would suggest people start low and go slow with the dosing. Don't start with three pills and three urals for example. If you do it, tell you friends, so that if you get into trouble and need medical attention, they will know to give you urinary acidifying agents. Also, keep in mind that the longer you're rolling, the more neurotoxic damage you may be doing and the more serotonin you will be depleting, so i think the anti-oxidant pre- and post-loads would be even more important in this situation.
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sweetillusionz69
Bluelighter
What do I need to look for in the US??? Any help would be appreciated.....
Thanx
CJ
Thanx
CJ
Rollingrrl
Bluelighter
I would definetly like to read up on this one. But as far as the pilling goes, since it slows down the break-up of the drug does that mean you have a longer roll of the same intensity as normal or is it longer and more mellow?
sweetillusionz69
Bluelighter
I dont think it would change the intensity, i think it affects how long the drug is actually in your system, which would probably mean a longer roll. Thats just my guess.....Im just waiting to read something on this and find out how to accquire it.
PS: Dont take that statement ^^^ to be fact, just a guess by me
peace
CJ
[ 03 April 2002: Message edited by: sweetillusionz69 ]
PS: Dont take that statement ^^^ to be fact, just a guess by me
peace
CJ
[ 03 April 2002: Message edited by: sweetillusionz69 ]
well if the drug lets (take e for example) is being broken down slower than normal, does that mean you are getting a larger dose of mdma from the pill whereas you'd get a normal breakdown under normal circumstances, or does it mean that its sitting in your system longer being broken down? I think its the first one and if you're getting more mdma out of it, that would mean it would be more intense on the peak and a longer lasting effect. if u had a pill with 100mg of mdma in it, after breakdown, you should have like 60mg?? in you? but with this ural shit, will you have, say, 85mg? I'm taking stabs at this concept, I'm not sure. correct me if I'm wrong.
sweetillusionz69
Bluelighter
IN THEORY:
You would still only get, say, 60% of the MDMA in the pill BUT that 60% would be active in your system and youll feel the effects for maybe an hour or 2 longer because your body isnt getting rid of it.
I read somewhere that the only way to get a better percentage of the pill is if you eat Tums or Rolaids before you drop, it somehow might help you absorb more of the MDMA. That would equal a more intense roll.
Again, thats a theory.....so either one of us could be right. Could a health mod correct or back this please?
peace
CJ
You would still only get, say, 60% of the MDMA in the pill BUT that 60% would be active in your system and youll feel the effects for maybe an hour or 2 longer because your body isnt getting rid of it.
I read somewhere that the only way to get a better percentage of the pill is if you eat Tums or Rolaids before you drop, it somehow might help you absorb more of the MDMA. That would equal a more intense roll.
Again, thats a theory.....so either one of us could be right. Could a health mod correct or back this please?
peace
CJ
If some one can give me the equiveletn in otc form i will be glad to try it here in the U.S. this weekend or next whenever I may roll and get back to you I will be with a few friends who don't panic and can get me what I need to come down or get me to the hosp. no worries. we all have fun and watch over each other sides if I want to be a test subject to help for longer effects they will be glad to assist. Please respond.
superbabydoc
Bluelighter
The American antacid Citrocarbonate is similar (you can look it up at www.advancerx.com ). I haven't found a UK equivalent - you'll have to look it up yourselves.
sweetillusionz69: yes, essentially that's it. You won't get more MD**, but it will last longer.
People I can't stress this enough: if you try this, follow the dose instructions on the pack. DO NOT EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DOSE OF SODIUM BICARBONATE. To do so may cause metabloic alkalosis, a medical emergency. And please heed the warnings in my last post. Remember that neurotoxicity research has been conducted on MDMA in the absence of sodium bicarbonate. And I think it is safe to assume that the longer you are rolling, the more neurotoxic it will be. I can't endorse doing this, as it's kind of counter-harm-reduction, but I know people will try it, and feel you should know the risks involved.
For more on sodium bicarb see: sodium bicarbonate
[ 04 April 2002: Message edited by: babydoc_vic ]
sweetillusionz69: yes, essentially that's it. You won't get more MD**, but it will last longer.
People I can't stress this enough: if you try this, follow the dose instructions on the pack. DO NOT EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DOSE OF SODIUM BICARBONATE. To do so may cause metabloic alkalosis, a medical emergency. And please heed the warnings in my last post. Remember that neurotoxicity research has been conducted on MDMA in the absence of sodium bicarbonate. And I think it is safe to assume that the longer you are rolling, the more neurotoxic it will be. I can't endorse doing this, as it's kind of counter-harm-reduction, but I know people will try it, and feel you should know the risks involved.
For more on sodium bicarb see: sodium bicarbonate
[ 04 April 2002: Message edited by: babydoc_vic ]
sweetillusionz69
Bluelighter
Im sure everyone here will agree....thanx for the answers babydoc_vic....and hopefully people reading this (including me!) will listen to your advice given:
follow the dose instructions on the pack. DO NOT EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DOSE OF SODIUM BICARBONATE. To do so may cause metabloic alkalosis, a medical emergency
PS:How long before you drop your pill should you take the Citrocarbonate pill? Im basically asking when to take the stuff to maximize the effects (Ill be careful and let everyone know how my experiment goes next week).
peace
CJ
[ 04 April 2002: Message edited by: sweetillusionz69 ]
follow the dose instructions on the pack. DO NOT EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DOSE OF SODIUM BICARBONATE. To do so may cause metabloic alkalosis, a medical emergency
PS:How long before you drop your pill should you take the Citrocarbonate pill? Im basically asking when to take the stuff to maximize the effects (Ill be careful and let everyone know how my experiment goes next week).
peace
CJ
[ 04 April 2002: Message edited by: sweetillusionz69 ]
'masheadatronic' asked for a link. Sorry i do not have one. I read this in the "Australian Drug-X Guide" writen by a doctor who believes that all people should have information about drugs, not just elite doctors. It was in the amphetamine section of the book. My parents gave me the book, knowing that i am interested in drugs (and taking them). The book covers all prescription drugs and illegal drugs.
I follow the directions on the packets of Urals, and take 2 every 3 hours about 15 minutes before i drop. I find the rush is a bit more intense, but lasts much longer than normal, 50% longer in my opinion, but the come down is like taking 1.5 pills - as the moderator said, you rush longer, but you loose more seratonin.
The urals contain :Sodium bicarbonate 1.76 g, sodium citrate (anhyd.) 0.63 g, citric acid (anhyd.) 0.72 g, tartaric acid.
I asked a chemist if Eno's (stomach alkaline netralizers) work the same, and she said no, but she may have wanted to sell me the Ural's which are much more expensive than Eno which i can by from the supermarket.
In my original message i said coke lasted 50%-100% longer. I was pretty drunk at the time so it was not a very scientific experiment, so thats why i put a big variance in the extra duration - but it defiently made the coke last a lot longer than usual, which is great, because coke is very annoying going up and down all the time as you may know.
I use the Urals to take less drugs - but of course like everything in life they can be used to cause more damage. Moderation in everything i guess.
I follow the directions on the packets of Urals, and take 2 every 3 hours about 15 minutes before i drop. I find the rush is a bit more intense, but lasts much longer than normal, 50% longer in my opinion, but the come down is like taking 1.5 pills - as the moderator said, you rush longer, but you loose more seratonin.
The urals contain :Sodium bicarbonate 1.76 g, sodium citrate (anhyd.) 0.63 g, citric acid (anhyd.) 0.72 g, tartaric acid.
I asked a chemist if Eno's (stomach alkaline netralizers) work the same, and she said no, but she may have wanted to sell me the Ural's which are much more expensive than Eno which i can by from the supermarket.
In my original message i said coke lasted 50%-100% longer. I was pretty drunk at the time so it was not a very scientific experiment, so thats why i put a big variance in the extra duration - but it defiently made the coke last a lot longer than usual, which is great, because coke is very annoying going up and down all the time as you may know.
I use the Urals to take less drugs - but of course like everything in life they can be used to cause more damage. Moderation in everything i guess.