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Untested Pill - Experienced - Ended up at Hospital / permanent anxiety

~Becks~

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Untested Pill (?MDMA+Speed?) - Experienced - Ended up at Hospital / permanent anxiety

I've been a regular "E" user for 5 years. Usually spacing them out every couple of weeks, sometimes more. I don't really hang out with anyone who does E, nor do I like doing it in crowded clubs so I've learned to enjoy dosing on my own. I'll listen to some music with the lights off, maybe sit in the shower for a bit.

I hadn't done any for a few months and decided that I wanted to again. A friend was buying some pills from a friend so I asked them to pick me up some as well. They were described by the dealer as "good but speedy". I've done all kinds of pills over the years, some I went to sleep immediately following my trip, others kept me awake for the next day, so I figured fine, they'll probably keep me up but I had no plans. So early one evening I took one and decided to chill out. I began to watch some videos and waited for the E to take effect.

45 minutes to an hour later I began to feel the familiar effects of MDMA, my body started to feel warm and it felt good to stretch out on the couch. Maybe a half hour later I was feeling quite good and felt the pill was decent and decided to take another.

Soon after I was quite "out of it" and I'm not sure how much time had passed, but I suddenly awoke as the tape that was playing in my VCR had ended so it was probably a couple of hours. At this point I felt VERY high. More high than I had ever been before. Uncomfortably so. It was hard to keep a thought for more than a second, and it was a bit worrying as I always liked how on E I could take back control of my mind if needed to take care of something/talk whatever. I thought maybe a cold shower would sober me up a bit better so I dragged myself to the shower, turned on the cold water and stood there staring at a ceiling tile.

I began to hyperventilate so I did my best to control my breathing. Breath in - Breath out, Breath in - Breath out. All while trying to keep myself from falling into mushville.I heard a noise, and it was my roomate coming home from work. So I snapped out of my trance, turned off the shower and greeted them. I looked at the clock and realised I had been in the shower of 3 hours. At this point I felt very odd, and very un-MDMA effects. My head felt numb, like a huge wad of buzzing cotten wrapped around it. I also couldn't stop my shallow breathing.

It had been at least 6 hours since I dosed so this was very odd and very disconcerting since I knew now I was dealing with some sort of mystery drug. I sat back on the couch and watched TV while I waited for this to all pass. I concentrated on my breathing. About 20 minutes later I noticed that the tingling I felt around my head seemed to be spreading, I could feel it in my chest and my face felt numb. I decided to go into the shower again and see if that would help.

It was beginning to get hard to breath and it took more effort to suck air in and out. I could also feel my chest constricting more and more. The numbness was also spreading. I could feel my heart beating through my chest. While this was going on, my roommate started to look online to figure out what the hell was doing this. It was starting to get scary that 7 hours into this the effects were getting STRONGER. The shower wasn't helping so I got out. I began to pace around and concentrate on my breathing which was getting more difficult. I would extend my arms as I breathed to try and help. My roomate called a friend of hours to see if they might know what the hell was going on.

A half hour later I could feel my chest get even more constricted, my face was quite numb. It was getting worse and this feeling was getting stronger and stronger and it felt for the first time that my life was in danger. We called a Taxi to take me to the hospital. I kept breathing best I could. Got to the hospital and after a short wait saw an admitting nurse and told them what was going on. I could feel the nurse groan when Ecstasy was mentioned and I'm sure she was thinking "here comes another one".

They took my oxygen count, which was 99% so I was getting enough oxygen, yet it was more and more difficult for me to breath. The numbness was spreading. I couldn't sit, so I kept walking around, trying to slow down my breathing but that was impossible. About a half hour later I was admitted to a bed, IV drop, heart monitor etc.. and I sat there. Some nurses came to take blood and a med student interviewed me. I sat some more.

Not too long after this I could breath a bit easier, and for the first time that night I could feel this trip finally subsiding. They took some chest x-rays to see if there was any damage. Sat there for a couple more hours, and by 7am I felt mostly fine and my stomach was grumbling. I told the staff how I felt but they wanted me to stay a bit longer for monitoring and to get the results of my blood test and xray. In the end the xray was fine and I'm not sure what the blood test was for but I finally went home around 830am. Before I was discharged a resident doctor saw me, told me to "lay off the Ecstasy" and cleared me to go.

I tried to impart to the staff that what I was experiencing wasn't MDMA but something else, but I'm sure my visit will just be another "Ecstacy related overdose" or something. Best we could determine after all this was that the pills contained a small amount of MDMA as I certainly felt something, but then a large amount of some sort of amphetemine. I suspect that my cold shower started my hyperventilating which I couldn't stop later on which was giving me a serious "Panic attack". I've never had one before, so couldn't identify what was happening to me.

The worst part about all this is weeks later I seem to be suffering from permanent anxiety. Now every sort of normal body ache/pain gets me all worried and I've had a couple of smaller panic attacks since for no reason. It really sucks, since I've never had a bad pill before in all the times I've dosed. I'm not sure if I can ever do it again without risking huge anxiety and ruining it.

Funnily enough, my EZ-Test that I had ordered a few weeks before arrived days after this whole episode and may have saved me from all of this.


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I'm sorry to hear what happened to you. Panic and anexiety attacks can often turn a fun time into a nightmare.
Hope you get better, wish you best for the future.
Have fun, take care.
:)
 
Sorry to here this. You say a bad E - has anyone else had trouble with this 'brand'? It would be nice to test it. Are you sure this wasn't MDMA & you just had a rare bad reaction + panic to it? Take care
 
Sorry to hear you had a bad time, but thanks for posting about your experience. You did the right thing by not fucking around and getting yourself to the hospital if you felt you were in danger. Be sure to use that testing kit if you take more pills in the future.
Edit: How many weeks ago was this?
[ 07 February 2003: Message edited by: Catch-22 ]
 
What did the pill look like (color / logo)? It is good to share this info., possibly help find out what happened to you.
~psychoblast~
 
I'm very sorry to hear that mate.
I can tell you I had exactly the same experience a few years ago. For the first time in my life I took the 3th realquality pill in one evening. All where different batches. Lighnings (amphetamine), smurfs (high dose MDA) and tweeties (MDMA). When the 3th began to work I got muscle spasms over my whole body, especially in my foot (sign of serotonine syndrome) The only thing I remember was sitting in a chair outside. I was only able to look at the ground. When I looked to other things everything was spinning. I couldnt talk and if anybody did talk to me I got the feeling I would die. I really thought I was dying. The next thing I remember was that it was morning again (11:00AM) and I was still sitting on this chair. It must have been for hours! My friends told me I was having very heavy panic attacks, which I dont even remember. Until Monday. I was in a small room and suddenly everything began spinning again. I got out of the chair, PANIC ATTACK!! I screamed, what's happening to me!! My heart skipped beats every 30 seconds. Very much tightness in the chest. The feeling you can't breathe. Next week I wasn't even able to smoke a cig without having a panic attack. I felt really sick. Since then it never passed anymore. Not meaning to scare you. It's 3 fucking years ago now! In this period I ve been to the doctor more than 10 times during day or night just because I thought I was dying. I wasn't able to sleep normal anymore. guess it just started to get better very very slowly. I now use E every week again. But I always start with a half. But I know now that weed also is a big factor. He man, you learn to live with it if you have the same thing as I have. I;ve had several test at hospital, there is nothing wrong with my body. My doc told me he has never seen anybody with such heavy panic attacks. He also told me it's all in my head. And I know it is. One time I had such an attack my heartbeat was checked and doc told me I almost had a heartattack from all the adrenaline in my blood from the panic attack. I wasn't even able to go upstairs without having a heartbeat of 180 and having difficulties with breathing. Maybe you recognise this symptoms. Man, I wish you good luck!!
 
Sorry to hear that man, If you really wanted to find out what you took, and you dont know anyone else who has any pills of the same batch, you could try to buy another and test it to see exactly what you took. gl in the future.
 
Sorry, My first time inhere...Ive experinced something like that for almost a year ago now....But whit antideppresive medication and weed instead...I was a big E and Amfetamine user back 2 year ago..and had been smoking lovley Mary jane for about 4-5 years..
Then i desided to take a break course i began to be depressed becourse of bad serotonin miss in my brain(I com from Denmark, so isent the best to english..)so i gave up taking drugs, and began a treatment on antidepressive medication called Seroxat 20mg...
And the first day on the medicaton i thought ide better take dobbel dose, course I was in a downer period...and felt slight better in a littel mood change, and thought it wouldt be nice whit a littel pibe hash....BAD IDEA....the first 30min was nice..then i got this huge Panic attack..I was having cramps(shaking bad) ..hallusinating. and then i went in chock(my girlfreind was there)...
2 hours later i woke up, and was totaly sick, and went to the hospital.
For 6 months i was mental fucked, course i woudent belive that i was suffering from panic attacks, sometime sleppless for úp to 4 days, afraid of other peaple, minor skitzofrenic(I was so afaried to be skitzo that i began to get the symptoms of it!!)....today, im living a normal life again, but aware that i still can get attacks..
Am a E user again whit now problems..But when i smoke weed(hash) i get big panic attacks over again..so for me weed is the trigger.
So im not a budsmoker anymore...
Hans from Denmark
 
question: maybe im not 100% sure on how testing kits work, but you said your pill did have some MD* in it, so wouldnt it have tested ok, and you would have eaten it regardless....perhaps im mistaken, but as far as i recall testing kits only test for the presence, or lack of specific chemicals such as MDA or MDMA, not for the presence of other substances that may acompany the MDMA...
 
Thanks everyone, for your reponses.
The pills in question were "Blue Dolphins". A search on Ecstacydata.org shows almost all Blue Dolphins sent in the last few months are MDA / Caffeine combos. With the exception of a couple of DXM ones, they all came up "black/purple" on the marquis test so my testing kit may not have stopped me if these are the same types that I did do.
If the pills I did were indeed an MDA / Caffeine mix I am in shock at how much a small pill containing caffeine was able to make my heart race like that.
I'm feeling better now, my normal body aches don't send me into panic any more so I feel relatively lucky about that. I've not done E since, but think I could again, but not a heavy dose the first time back.
 
No, what you had was certainly not one of the MDA/caffeine blue dolphins. I got one of those, and basically it just sucked, the entire time I was waiting to peak but never quite got there, and then was cracked out for a day afterwards. I'd say that sounds like PMA - man, that sucks. On a related note - does PMA show up on EZ tests as being different from MDxx?
 
I'd say it WAS MDA/Caffeine. What a horrid combination for anxiety, panic attacks and palpatations.
The caffeine by itself will cause ALL of those. I've had panic attacks brought on by caffeine, damn I've never been so scared in my life.
Also I'm fairly certain there's a synergy effect when you mix two stimulants, which makes it much more dangerous. Ask in Health, they should give you a really good response.
5yrs of E, every fortnight more or less is a fair bit.
You said you had a break, were you getting any anxiety or any signs of depression (boredom--nothins fun..) after a couple of months off them?
because thats when i noticed the damage and i know a lot of people who say the same.
What im saying is, is it possible that this MDA/Caff pill was just a contributing factor, and that you were already in the midst of the anxiety before ya did it?
5 yrs had to have had some effect, thats what e does unfortunetly!
The worrying about your body having things wrong with it etc is called hypercondria (sp?) btw, its a form of anxiety. Try not to worry too much...
 
I'm sorry this happens. Perhaps you should have some strong tranqulizers with you when you next drop..
[edit: flames removed]
[ 05 March 2003: Message edited by: nickthecheese ]
 
Sounds like you had a huge panic attack while on that MDA/caffeine combo. Panic attacks feel like that, and can make you believe anything...that you're gonna die, can't breathe, that you're hallucinating, schizofrenic, etc.
The best solution is not worrying about it and laying of, say, coffee so as not to get anxious.
 
8) I'll second that 8)

I'd much rather have half a pill and a shit night, then try a larger dose some other time, than risk this sort of experience. With absolutely no offence intended, I would never take 2 E's in an hour and 15 minutes. I've used E carefully for over 11 years, I've never had a full pill, I use in halfs or even quarters (if they're strong). I don't trust other people on dosage. An enormous MDA overdose set me straight on trusting other people on dosage. The problem with PMA is the effective dose is too close to a dangerous dose. Also, it's initial effects can be confused with MDMA. Due to it's chemical similarity with E it probably brings a simiar colour with the Marquis or similar testing kit. Please correct me if I'm wrong....

S
 
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packman said:
After further thought my earlier post was quite harsh and uncalled for. i wrote it when i was in a very devilish mood indeed and it wasnt very nice at all. but jonesyy the stuff you said is seems like the work of a prepubescent custard chucker so far q:p

im glad you realized that and made amends...thanks, and maybe next time think twice before posting.:|
 
Sorry to hear about your terrible experience. I too have had a bad reaction to some mystery pill (MDxx/????) . Your panic attacks should subside in time. Take care of yourself :)
 
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