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Unconscious Archetypes in Cognitive Pscyhology - "How far does the rabbit hole go?"

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Unconscious Archetypes in Cognitive Pscyhology - "How far does the rabbit hole go?"

Something which first gained professional credibility in the early 19th century with men like Freud and Jung, coming from concepts proposed by philosophers in the 19th century (and many of its roots going well back before that), the unconscious mind.

Although a lot of Jungian psychology may stretch into the bizarre, some of it even extending into what might be considered 'spiritual' or 'mysticism'; the existence of an 'unconscious mind' is something that remains widely agreed upon.

In modern cognitive neuro-psychology, many examples can be given demonstrating the existence of an unconscious mind: newborns are born with the ability to swim and hold their breath underwater; among the many 'optical illusions' out there which play with our sense of vision in strange ways, a certain test revealing a "blind spot" near the center of our field of vision due to the presence of the optic nerve demonstrates the sheer ability of the brain to organize sensory input unconsciously, as the reason we never see this 'blind spot' is because we fill it in subconsciously with what we assume is there (you can do this right now yourself http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Constudblindspot.gif).

Some of the most essential archetypes in our nature such as "mother" and "father", are described in Jungian psychology as archetypes of the unconscious written in us genetically.

Now, some of these materia in the mechanics of the mind are simply phenomenon resulting out of tendency; but there are some which hint to a level of complexity far more immense. Some individuals suffering from brain damage (in some cases this damage may have been inflicted intentionally from psychosurgery as a cure for epilepsy) causing them to lose conscious ability to move their arm demonstrate a strange phenomenon: the arm will begin conducting various activities subconsciously as though no conscious control had been lost, but these activities may be disruptive, chaotic, or what could be referred to as the arm "taking on a life of its own", such as smacking things out of the way, or picking up objects to examine them and then throwing them - all while the person themselves might be watching in disbelief. To explain this, one might propose that regions of the brain controlling the arm when attempting to receive instructions from the remnants of the damaged region may defer to other regions of the brain instead, which are connected to each other as the unconscious mind. Thus, the arm may be reacting to stimulus as though the person were dreaming, similar to occurrences of people sleepwalking.

I then ask, when applied to other aspects of the unconscious, how far does the rabbit hole go? How much unconscious complexity is there in the simplest of actions? How much does unconscious activity influence the inclination of our decision making in ways that might even be symbolic - ranging from endearing to mischievous?

Given that the brain has formed its structure throughout the course of evolution and is ultimately derived from the will to live, we end up having to consider a scary possibility: consciousness and conscious awareness are illusions supporting social constructs of morality - and acts of self-interest are kept dimmed from conscious awareness. In Jungian psychology, this archetype is known as the 'shadow'. For me at least, this makes me heavily question what 'we' even are - given that the will to live is at the root of all actions, and our formation changes based on temporary benefit.
 
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If I understand you correct I think you hit the nail on the head

Conscious awareness is merely dreaming. Illusions. Zzzzzz. Sleep well. see you one the other side.
 
Kill your father. Fuck your mother. Nahh... So let's instead pretend we are something else
 
Sorry Mitchi but what are you talking about?

Conscious awareness IS conscious awareness. "Dreaming" is having fantasies about the Self as a person in the threads of the universal unconscious. This is wholly different than the idea you presented.

I am curious about your second post.
 
Sorry Mitchi but what are you talking about?

Conscious awareness IS conscious awareness. "Dreaming" is having fantasies about the Self as a person in the threads of the universal unconscious. This is wholly different than the idea you presented.

I am curious about your second post.
I've had dreams where I lacked a role in them - they consisted merely of free-flowing thoughts that would evolve with subconscious influence. I have also experienced this where I knew I was asleep, and knowing that thinking too much would cause me to wake up.
I may represent an atypical minority though, perhaps due to years of stimulant use and sleeping with stimulants in my system.
 
are you kind of referring to Myers Briggs personalities, because i think they are supposed to be influenced partly by genetics and partly through environment, at least thats what i thought when u said shadow

in which case most people follow their personality behavioural patterns unconsciously, i might have missed your point with this thread though..
 
are you kind of referring to Myers Briggs personalities, because i think they are supposed to be influenced partly by genetics and partly through environment, at least thats what i thought when u said shadow

in which case most people follow their personality behavioural patterns unconsciously, i might have missed your point with this thread though..
not at all.
I'm referring to unconscious archetypes that are actively playing a role in the central nervous system.
The question was then "just how much unconscious activity is there taking place? And to what extent does the unconscious mind perform activity by its own accord while evading conscious awareness.
The shadow archetype is a prime example: while our ego might be shining golden to us, our shadow could be hard at work calculating our own inferiorities, and re-routing thought processes to hide those inferiorities from our own conscious awareness.

In verbal conversation, our shadow may provide us with premeditated lies for anticipated topics and questions - meanwhile, we may not even be consciously aware of lying, but think of what we say to be genuine.

Shadow materia is also often found in the pious, where morals and etiquette are often adopted artificially for the purpose of supporting a 'holier than thou' superiority complex.

Another example could be dropping/breaking something with unconscious intentions while, consciously, we are genuinely shocked and believe it to be an accident.

Yet another example would be when a boss/supervisor assigns a new worker meaningless tasks with exaggerated importance - the actual purpose being for the boss to establish dominance over the worker. This happens more frequently when there is an audience present.
 
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If a hypnotist can induce a state in someone where they can't see objects right in front of them, which I've never witnessed myself but have read of from reputable sources. Could the unconscious filter out information that the person is convinced does not exist, like Fairies? Not that I think fairies exist. But if they did, and a person was inculcated from childhood with the belief that they didn't, and one appears in front of their nose, would they see it? The same could apply to anything else which the status quo denies the existence of, like chakras, or ESP.
 
If a hypnotist can induce a state in someone where they can't see objects right in front of them, which I've never witnessed myself but have read of from reputable sources. Could the unconscious filter out information that the person is convinced does not exist, like Fairies? Not that I think fairies exist. But if they did, and a person was inculcated from childhood with the belief that they didn't, and one appears in front of their nose, would they see it? The same could apply to anything else which the status quo denies the existence of, like chakras, or ESP.

That's a good point to bring up. Apart from taste and smell, our senses use specialized sensory neurons which rely on detecting electromagnetic radiation at certain frequencies. There could in theory exist sensory neurons which detect radiation at other frequencies in the spectrum different from thermal radiation or visible light. These neurons in conjunction with each other might look for patterns in electromagnetic radiation unique to other living things - providing a faint sense similar to what is often described as 'eyes on the back of the head".
 
Are you talking about freewill being an illusion?

There's a lot of evidence to support that our subconscious mind is making the decisions while the "conscious" part is merely doing as it's told while also perceiving all decisions as being made.. consciously.

We are literally biological machines, we have no control over our brains the same way as we have no control over our stomachs. We're doing nothing but observing while being fooled into thinking we are in control.
 
not at all.
I'm referring to unconscious archetypes that are actively playing a role in the central nervous system.

Wut. Unconscious archetypes are archetypes of people who have been read to us as stories or movies which we internalize in our dreaming state or our waking fantasy state. Christ is an archetype (universal albeit). Etc.
 
the concept risen reminds me of the fear and loathing quote about middle of the night gamblers on mescaline looking like caractures of used car salesemen. Don't think were talking about visual archetypes though, if that is even a thing.
 
What do you associate with "used car salesmen" or "night gamblers".

Though not an archetype they possess archetypal features.
 
^ ya. Have you seen the film? the scene where he sneaks into the hotel with the cops, and the wrinkly dude meant to seem exaggerated high blood pressure etc's wife starts crying and he yells at the clerk "look what you did"

To me archetype means something that can be repeated. And, blaming others instead of going to the source doesnt allow you to have the freedom to explore new places.

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Wut. Unconscious archetypes are archetypes of people who have been read to us as stories or movies which we internalize in our dreaming state or our waking fantasy state. Christ is an archetype (universal albeit). Etc.

There are archetypes formed by civilization, and archetypes instilled in us genetically. You can't really have one without the other.
 
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