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Misc Ulcers from drug use?

PortalFloyd

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So I'm still feeling nauseous and on day 12 of methadone withdrawal and just saw a doctor today, and she thinks that I may have or am developing an ulcer. It sounds pretty serious. Does anyone know if this is caused by long term opiate/methadone/drug use or by things like stress or anxiety? I've used a variety of drugs for 7 years now. I was prescribed Zantac 150mg and was just wondering if anyone has any information on this, or is experiencing this...
 
Ya I've used Zantac 150 extensively during exams for 3 reasons:

1) To prevent ulcers from not eating anything due to amphetamines supressing appetite.
2) Lower testosterone uptake to better focus on studying rather than girls/porn.
3) Conveniently skip meals to save time while drinking a glucose/protein shake.

I ate by the 100s...very useful but watch out to take calcium supplements as it lowers calcium absorbtion and also no hardcore cardio while on it as it can affect the heart.
 
I remember the second time I was to go through oxycodone withdrawal cold turkey. I had a wedding that Saturday and planned to stop on Monday, I loaded up on Friday and ended up using about 2x what I usually use during the wedding. Also with a lot of alcohol and a few other things added in. The next day I was running low, had some oxy to get through the morning but had to wait until late afternoon to re-up my supply, which was the last time I would re-up. Anyway, towards the end of the day I started getting bad anxiety, which was common with bad hangovers for me, but there was also a awful grinding feeling in my stomach. I had not eaten much at all that day, but did eat a supper after finally scoring later on. The next day the stomach issues were still there and they would not go away, it wasn't pain but a vague nausea and this feeling like my stomach my eating itself almost, towards the top of the stomach. I ended up going to a doctor for it the next day and putting off my cold turkey, but only got prilosec and zofran, neither helped and I ended up going through the w/d with the nagging stomach issue which seemed to make it worse. Interstingly I went to my PCP on Friday morning for the stomach thing again (I went to a local clinic intially) and admitted I was w/d'ing so he gave me Ativan for sleep. That seemed to help the stomach issues right away and for the 4-5 days after my w/d sickness went away. But after it was gone the stomach thing came back and didn't go away for over a month. It ended up driving me back to the oxy and then it went away and I never noticed it again.

I can only think this was an ulcer brought on by stress and anxiety from multiple things like the hangover, the anticipation of the withdrawal, my financial hole, having to take time off work, etc. Then the life without the oxy and PAWS from it did not give me the stress reduction for it to heal. It was pretty awful feeling, I was convinced I needed a endoscopy to see what was going on or something. It was on my mind all the time, seemed to be no relief. I never tried much in terms of medication to help it though, IDK if something would have helped, I just hoped it would go away on its on. Most GI issues I had did for the most part, but this just lingered.
 
So I'm still feeling nauseous and on day 12 of methadone withdrawal and just saw a doctor today, and she thinks that I may have or am developing an ulcer. It sounds pretty serious. Does anyone know if this is caused by long term opiate/methadone/drug use or by things like stress or anxiety? I've used a variety of drugs for 7 years now. I was prescribed Zantac 150mg and was just wondering if anyone has any information on this, or is experiencing this.

Well, frankly you're a little vague to be of much help. for one, it's not unusual to still feel nauseated on day 12 of methadone withdrawal. SO that's really nothething, by itself. You didn't say what it was that made her think you were developin an ulcer, i.e., if she performed any abdominal pressure assays, or anthing. That's also, for one, the kind of thing a doctor says to shut someone up who's complaining, while at the same time saying "look what you've done to yourself...maybe you'll think twice next time"...standard doctor stuff, really. YOU said it sounded pretty serious, but not what it was that made it serious...are you throwing up blood, are you unable to keep food down, are you doubled over with pain. THAT's serious. It doesn't sound like that's where you are, so I question how really serious it is.

Ulcers can be caused by long-term opiate abuse, but only when it's in pill form...the pills tend to land and dissolve in the same place over and over, and that's where the ulcer develops. THe same thing happens with advil, as a matter of fact...to the point that when people come in with stomach complaints and get an xray, it's common to thear the doc say...oh, it's just an advil ulcer. When a pill lands in the same place and dissolves there over and over, an ulcer is going to develop there.

But you didn't say how you abused the opiates. If it was I.V./smoking, then no, it's not going to cause an ulcer...not unless you stopped eating as a result...that could cause an ulcer...all of those gastric juices with nothing to work on.

THey thought for a long time that stress causes ulcers. Turns out that's not true. It's caused by a bacteria called h. pylori...however, being stressed reduces your immune system to the point that the h. pylori can take advantage, and cause the ulcer. So it's half of one a dozen of the otherl

You didn't say what variety of drugs you've used for 7 years either. You really don't give a person much to go on, you know that?
If it was X, then sure, swallowing those pills could have played a big part in the development of an ulcer. But without knowing what the others were, it's impossible to say, isn't it?

You didn't say whether this just began recently, since you've begun to detox, or whether it's something youve suffered through for a long time
SO i'm going to bottom line it for you as well as possible when you haven't really given me a baseline to place a bottom line along..,

If uou've taken a lot of pills as your drugs of choice, that's probably the main reason for it. If you didn't experience until later in your detox, it's more likely due to stress reducing your immune system, and therefore the beneficial flora in your stomach and intestines...which means you need to drink acidophilus and probiotics, to fight off the nasties that are eating through your stomach lining. You also need to stop taking pills for a while, unless you crush them first. That's just making your already bade problem worse--and definitely no whole advils. If it doesn't get better with that fairly soon, then you need to go on antibiotics, and start drinking milk regularly, to get your body to begin producing the mucous it needs to begin to reform the protective coating over the lining of your stomach. And obviously, don't eat like an idiot--avoid spicy foods, processed foods, artificial colorings/flavorings, and maybe most important, diet sodas. Try to start making it a habit of eating yoghurt with acidophilus regularly...not knowing about your history it's hard to tell, but most likely you're just stressed, not eating well and replacing your intestinal fauna, and the opportunistic h. pylori is having a field day chewing on you, inside out. I know you're detoxing, and I sympathize, but pull your head out of your ass and start taking some common sense steps to practice self-care, already. You have to watch the zantac, as well. It shuts off the pumps in your stomach that manufacture digestive enzymes. Sounds like a good deal when you have a painful ulcer irritated by just those enzymes--but zantac screw with the mechanics of your gut...and often the pumps never relaly recover full function again, afterward. Not good. Your better off, really, just drinking a base that neutralizes the acid in your stomach--milk, eating tums, taking spoonfuls of baking soda, even.
 
Sorry I was so vague...

Basically I started having severe nausea like 6 months ago, and I haven't been able to keep any food or liquids down for two weeks, this was during my methadone taper before I even detoxed. I've been dry heaving, cramping, vomiting some, etc. I went to the ER on the 21st and was severely dehydrated and given IV fluids and IV zofran for the nausea. They ran blood tests, etc at ER and everything came back normal. I was given promethazine from the ER doc which did absolutely nothing for the nausea. She thinks it might be an ulcer because the promethazine is not working and the fact that I still haven't been eating or drinking for over 2 weeks now. She gave me Zantac to prevent an ulcer I guess from forming or getting worse. She said that zantac is a long-term medication basically and said if the nausea continues for the next month I'll have to get an upper GI.

I've used lots of weed and benzo's, some vics and oxy, a lot of heroin/coke iv, and methadone as far as drugs go over a period of 7 years. Heroin made me lose a lot of weight. So periods of undereating/drug use definitely played a part in this. I probably have an ED as well honestly...I don't know though.

Thanks for the advice though.
 
There may be an ulcer, has your stool been darker than usual? That's usually a good indication of bleeding in your stomach/upper GI tract, unless you're on iron supplements since its very normal for iron pills to make your stool dark.
Is go have stool sample taken, easiet way to check for an ulcer, unless you want a camera shoved up your nose and into your stomach
 
Sorry I was so vague...

Basically I started having severe nausea like 6 months ago, and I haven't been able to keep any food or liquids down for two weeks, this was during my methadone taper before I even detoxed. I've been dry heaving, cramping, vomiting some, etc. I went to the ER on the 21st and was severely dehydrated and given IV fluids and IV zofran for the nausea. They ran blood tests, etc at ER and everything came back normal. I was given promethazine from the ER doc which did absolutely nothing for the nausea. She thinks it might be an ulcer because the promethazine is not working and the fact that I still haven't been eating or drinking for over 2 weeks now. She gave me Zantac to prevent an ulcer I guess from forming or getting worse. She said that zantac is a long-term medication basically and said if the nausea continues for the next month I'll have to get an upper GI.

I've used lots of weed and benzo's, some vics and oxy, a lot of heroin/coke iv, and methadone as far as drugs go over a period of 7 years. Heroin made me lose a lot of weight. So periods of undereating/drug use definitely played a part in this. I probably have an ED as well honestly...I don't know though.

Thanks for the advice though.

Why? Are you a weakling? Human beings are genetically programmed hunters...they may not find any prey for days and that's perfectly healthy and normal.
 
Not necessarily, I definitely wouldn't define it as perfectly healthy.
I can guarantee you it is much harder on the human body to have periods of not eating compared to a well balanced diet.
Not eating will make you more tired and famished, lead to decreased immune function, your body begins to burn up its fat and muscle for energy, etc.
You'll survive, but it's definitely more healthy to stick to eating well everyday
 
Not necessarily, I definitely wouldn't define it as perfectly healthy.
I can guarantee you it is much harder on the human body to have periods of not eating compared to a well balanced diet.
Not eating will make you more tired and famished, lead to decreased immune function, your body begins to burn up its fat and muscle for energy, etc.

Exactly.

I think the methadone is already out of my system by now. Don't ulcers take a long time to develop though?
 
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