UK: Ken Livingstone 'legalise ecstasy'

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Ken Livingstone came under fresh pressure last night when it emerged that his allies in the Green Party are calling for the legalisation of ecstasy.

Boris Johnson, the Conservative candidate for London mayor, called on Mr Livingstone to disown the Greens over the inclusion in their manifesto of a proposal to decriminalise the class A drug, which claims 50 lives a year and is linked to liver, kidney and heart problems.

The Mayor has entered a pact with Sian Berry, the Green Party's candidate, to persuade her supporters to give their second preference votes to him in the May 1 election. His press release announcing the deal last month said: "The call unites Ken Livingstone and Sian Berry on the basis of common policies".

Miss Berry's manifesto, launched last week, advocates "decriminalising recreational drugs such as ecstasy and psychotropic mushrooms" as well as "providing heroin on prescription". She also proposes "a local democratic tax on cannabis sale where the purchaser chooses a local project to receive a percentage of the profits". The drug would be sold in Dutch-style "coffee shops".

Mr Johnson, who has admitted trying cannabis and cocaine when he was younger, said: "Ecstasy alone kills one person a week in this country and to call for its legalisation is both dangerous and reckless. Surely the Mayor does not agree with this?

I call upon him to condemn the Green Party's approach and call off this cynical vote pact. "If Ken Livingstone will not publicly rebuke Sian Berry, voters will rightly conclude that he supports the Green Party manifesto in full."

Livingstone in row over 'legalise ecstasy' call

By Melissa Kite, Deputy Political Editor
Last Updated: 2:40am BST 14/04/2008

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/news/2008/04/13/nmayor113.xml
 
i wonder how many people alcohol kills a week there, or a month, or six months, or a year... or anywhere for that matter
 
and u know that those 50 deaths are bullshit too
i bet half included alcohol combinations
half of the other half included meth
and the last quarter involved constant dancing and no water
 
Meth pretty much doesn't happen in UK. It's supposed to be around every corner, like a bogeyman.

I'd tend to think this is the right route. I know some will say this will just make it acceptable so use will go up.
Well, yeah, it might well do, but most people who can't control their use also break the law, so where's the gain for society by continuing prohibition or loss for stopping?
Maybe with decriminalization we can work towards more worthwhile projects involving MDMA and actually show society that recreational drug use is not just about feeling happy or swirling infinities of colour, there's great potential for personal growth.

How often can you saying positive like that about, say, alcohol.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1091
18 deaths per 100,000 population in the UK. This is also corrected for age.
Taking the numbers literally it comes out as 10,000 in 2006.
 
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Hurry up and leagalize all that shit.. people will come there for "drug vactions" like amsterdamn.. think of all the profit from tourism you'd get.
 
I don't think it would work all that well in isolation.
I think Portugal is supposed to have pretty relaxed laws about a few things, but only for Portuguese nationals.
 
Dr.DOB said:
and u know that those 50 deaths are bullshit too
i bet half included alcohol combinations
half of the other half included meth
and the last quarter involved constant dancing and no water
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Exactly. More bullshit propaganda.
 
Crazeee said:
[...] A drug, which claims 50 lives a year and is linked to liver, kidney and heart problems.
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wtf?!? liver, heart and kindney problems? only when overheating! every single user that knows a tiny bit about safe use of mdma will never get even one of them.
that's like saying "the sun is liked to liver, kidney and heart problems". let's ban the sun!
 
Oh my god, MDMA kills 50 whole people a year (actually, sarcasm aside, this seems like a high estimate for MDMA-only deaths). And how many people does alcohol kill? How about tobacco? That's what I thought. 'Nuff said, it's just good that someone finally said it.
 
Carsick said:
Maybe with decriminalization we can work towards more worthwhile projects involving MDMA and actually show society that recreational drug use is not just about feeling happy or swirling infinities of colour, there's great potential for personal growth.

How often can you saying positive like that about, say, alcohol.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1091
18 deaths per 100,000 population in the UK. This is also corrected for age.
Taking the numbers literally it comes out as 10,000 in 2006.
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Exactly, problems with synthesized chemicals and natural plants usually come when used for the wrong gains and reasons, our human race could benefit infinitely, evolving and becoming more aware of the world and universe, this very special, sacred place all around us and the need to respect each other and ourselves regardless of personal ways/beliefs which everyone has a birth right to.

Peace to all.
 
fair play to ken and the greens. we need a series debate on drug classification in the u.k
 
spun420833 said:
I wonder how many people are killed a week in the UK due to alcohol? I should prolly UTFSE on that one.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/alcohol/

Straight from the mouth of the BBC herself: "up to 33,000" a year = 635 a week. Not sure where the statistics for that come from but still, absolutely enough said.

Boris Johnson is a fucking menace.

ETA: and 106,000 tobacco deaths a year = over 2,000 a week (http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publichealth/Healthimprovement/Tobacco/index.htm)
 
Is nobody going to mention that MDMA isn't even Schedule 1 in the US?
Well, technically?
 
^ nobody's going to say that because it's completely irrelevant to this topic. not everything has to be about the US, you know?

UK: Ken Livingstone 'legalise ecstasy'

misleading title is misleading. he didn't actually say it, did he? :\

if he does in fact agree with the Greens on this, good work. but entering into a coalition with another party doesn't necessarily mean both sides have to agree with all of each other's policies, otherwise they would be the same party. 8)
 
Indeed.
And besides, the Greens aren't stupid enough to actually think they'll get elected.
I think they just want to get as many young people on side as possible, and having this kind of stuff in their manifesto will help.
 
About time some politicians has the guts to say legalize ecstasy and other drugs like magic mushrooms. But we need politicians in power to say this and thats certainly not going to happen with the conservatives and bush lite in power.

Ecstasy and shrooms cause a hell of alot less harm then alcohol and tobacco so why shouldnt they be made legal. How many people die from alcohol poisoning, drunk driving, alcohol related diseases like liver failure, or end up in prison because they got in some stupid drunken fight or killed someone while drunk. None of this comes with drugs like MDMA or shrooms.

All the same where i live in canada shrooms are practically legal because everybody picks them if they live out in the country and if you get caught with them the police rarely charge you. They never charge you for possession of fresh mushrooms (i don't know if fresh mushrooms are legal or not i think they used to be here) and you have to be trafficking in them before cops will charge you for having them in any form really. Charges are very rarely laid in any case for shrooms around here.

Police here do make a big deal about ecstasy though and some news organizations are still calling it the killer party drug :p . The killer party drug is alcohol and ive never heard of 1 single ecstasy fatality in my area.
 
Ecstasy kills 50 people a year? By using the term 'ecstasy' are they referring to all things sold as ecstasy, like PMA? I wonder how many people actually have died as a result of MDMA alone? That is the drug in question, not the shit passed off as ecstasy.
 
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