UK: Can we calm down about Ecstasy

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The 50,000 people who spent last weekend expanding their minds and sensory perceptions on ecstasy will probably have missed the news that the drug might soon be reclassified from A down to B. The fact that it is officially considered one of the most dangerous drugs on the streets of Britain has most likely escaped them too, for if the after-effects of a night taking ecstasy gave even a hint to users that it should be ranked alongside heroin, they would probably have stuck to the vodka and tonics.

Those convicted of possession of ecstasy face up to seven years' imprisonment and dealing could confer a life sentence; the point of the archaic classification system being to match the punishment with the harm caused by the drug, something it fails to do. "Harm" here means the harm caused to the person taking that drug, not those around them.

The charity DrugScope says that, "after taking ecstasy users may feel very tired and low and need a long period of sleep to recover" and that regular use could lead to sleep problems, lack of energy, dietary problems, depression and anxiety. There are also fears that we are sitting on a timebomb generation of potential Parkinson's sufferers, yet the acid house crew are pushing on a bit now, and there is little evidence that they are unravelling.

Ecstasy is not an addictive drug and it is already eight years since a Police Foundation inquiry found it to be several thousand times less dangerous than heroin and to play a part in fewer than 10 deaths per year. Ever since the tragic death of Leah Betts in 1995, though, it has been difficult to shake ecstasy's reputation as a killer.

The dangers of ecstasy should not be underestimated. It can lead both directly and indirectly to death, and the associated and cumulative negative effects it can have on the health of users are potentially serious. Yet they pale in comparison with the consequences of alcohol and tobacco abuse. When he was chief executive of the Medical Research Council, Professor Colin Blakemore said ecstasy was "at the bottom of the scale of harm", a view which has since been corroborated by other leading experts in science, medicine and the police service.

In concentrating on the health fall-out of drugs, Home Office classifications short-sightedly ignore the social impact of drug use (though ministers are pushing for such consequences to be considered), rendering the system as arbitrary as when it was introduced under the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act.

Does anyone remember the one about the clubber who was so blissed out on ecstasy that he started a fight on a bus and stabbed an innocent bystander? What about the group of lads who each necked a handful of pills and gang raped a fellow raver? Or the party-goer who stands accused of date rape and is using the fact that he took ecstasy with his accuser as a defence? Then there's the woman who broke into her own parents home and stole and pawned her mother's jewellery to fund her ecstasy habit.

Of course you haven't heard any such tales, because ecstasy does not lead to the sort of violent and aggressive behaviour that alcohol does, nor does it develop into a dependency which users turn to crime to fund.

Professor David Nutt, the incoming chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, has admitted that young people know that ecstasy is "relatively" safe. Pretending any different undermines having any classification system at all, where one is much needed.

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Sophie Morris: Can we calm down about Ecstasy

Thursday, 18 September 2008

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...is-can-we-calm-down-about-ecstasy-934136.html
 
the drug might soon be reclassified from A down to B
Ermmmmm. Not likely. Our government is in the throes of upgrading cannabis again. They'll probably upgrade Ecstasy to an A+ just to spite the advisory group (Prof Nutt & Co) :|
 
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I dont know if these stats include the mistaken identity factor, bunk pills that could be full of other things like meth. This probably adds to the level of danger towards the average x user as they are clueless to what they are getting. Plus wasnt there loads of news reports correlating rape and ecstacy in colleges a couple years ago?
 
Nice to see a relatively sensible article, one quibble however...

The fact that it is officially considered one of the most dangerous drugs on the streets of Britain has most likely escaped them too, for if the after-effects of a night taking ecstasy gave even a hint to users that it should be ranked alongside heroin, they would probably have stuck to the vodka and tonics.

I would think most people find the after-effects of a night on heroin rather mild compared to a night on ecstasy, or a night on vodka and tonics for that matter.
 
The moment the tabloids get wind of it the whole thing will be reversed and dropped.

Look at how bad Brown is going in the polls. The last thing he needs is the centre right voters going right back to the Torys.

drugs are a political football and if you for one moment drop that fucker then your out of the game.

face it, the only way drugs will ever become legal is if we change our entire political system. in the current environment you simply cannot go for gold. you've got to do it from the ground up
 
Ecstasy downgrade is considered

The body that advises the government on illegal drugs is meeting to discuss whether ecstasy should be downgraded from a Class A drug to Class B.

Senior police officers have written to The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs urging it to leave ecstasy as a Class A drug, the BBC has learned.

Incoming head Prof David Nutt has said ecstasy is less harmful than cocaine or heroin and should be reclassified.

Ministers ignored a recommendation in May, by moving cannabis up to Class B.

The meeting over ecstasy could set the government on another collision course with the Advisory Council, should it recommend reclassification.

The panel will review the latest evidence before making its decision.

As part of the discussions, panel members will consider the submission from the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), stating that transferring ecstasy to class B would send out an "unfortunate message".

"From an operational policing perspective, Acpo does not support any change in classification of ecstasy from its current class A status," said Tim Hollis, chief constable of Humberside Police and Acpo's lead officer on drugs.

A Home Office spokesman said the government firmly believes ecstasy should remain a Class A drug.

"Ecstasy can and does kill unpredictably. There is no such thing as a 'safe dose'," he said.

An estimated 250,000 people in England and Wales take ecstasy every month.

About 50 deaths a year involve the use of ecstasy - known to chemists as MDMA - in England and Wales, according to the Office for National Statistics. Figures showed there were 246 deaths between 2003 and 2007.

Professor Colin Blakemore, from Oxford University and the UK Drug Policy Commission, said all drugs were dangerous but that the issue was one of "relative harm".

"The problem, one of the problems, is the assumption that if the advisory council recommends that ecstasy should be downgraded they're in a sense encouraging people to use it - that's not the case at all.

"They are simply making a statement about the relative damage associated with ecstasy compared with crack cocaine and heroin, where it is at the moment."

The Transform Drug Policy Foundation, a charity that says prohibition is the major cause of drug-related problems, said this latest review would only result in "little more than posturing on all sides".

A spokesman said: "Given that the government overruled the council on cannabis reclassification, the entire exercise is doomed before it had begun."

As a Class A drug, the penalties for possession and supply are the most severe.

Possession carries a maximum sentence of up to seven years in prison, an unlimited fine or both.
Dealers face a maximum jail term of life imprisonment, an unlimited fine or both.

Possession of Class B drugs carries a maximum prison sentence of five years, while dealing can attract a term of up to 14 years.

The Home Office has said ecstasy should stay in class A because there is no such thing as a "safe dose".

In May, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith announced plans to reclassify Cannabis as a Class B drug.

This was despite the council stating it should remain as Class C.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7636896.stm

Published: 2008/09/26 09:29:41 GMT

© BBC MMVIII
 
greenadam29 said:
I dont know if these stats include the mistaken identity factor, bunk pills that could be full of other things like meth. This probably adds to the level of danger towards the average x user as they are clueless to what they are getting. Plus wasnt there loads of news reports correlating rape and ecstacy in colleges a couple years ago?

Sounds highly unlikely to me, but what do I know. I wouldn't believe everything that you hear on the news though ;).

We don't get meth in pills in the UK, but piperazines are rife. But there is an answer: Testing kits - like the fine examples that can be acquired by clicking on the banner at the top of the page :).

As to the article, it's nice to see some reasonably balanced reporting, but as EnthoDjinn pointed out - we've just had the ridiculous palaver of switching cannabis from a "B" to a "C" and back again (against all advice) so I seriously doubt the Government would have the balls to change the classification of Ecstasy in the near future :\.
 
KissTheSky said:
Nice to see a relatively sensible article, one quibble however...



I would think most people find the after-effects of a night on heroin rather mild compared to a night on ecstasy, or a night on vodka and tonics for that matter.

yea the day after a night of ecstasy and i want to hit the next person who gets in my way.... some 5-HTP and B-6 help with the comedown for me though...
 
"The 50,000 people who spent last weekend expanding their minds and sensory perceptions on ecstasy"....

...sad thing is it wasn't ecstacy... probably more than 70% was McPP or pips... so kinda makes the argument redundant.

Stable door.... horse has bolted?
 
greenadam29 said:
I dont know if these stats include the mistaken identity factor, bunk pills that could be full of other things like meth. This probably adds to the level of danger towards the average x user as they are clueless to what they are getting. Plus wasnt there loads of news reports correlating rape and ecstacy in colleges a couple years ago?

This wouldn't surprise me. I imagine a drug capable of forcing consensual sex to be more frightening than a drug that can force sex with an unconscious individual. In all honesty, if you were to slip ecstasy to a girl who had never experienced it before she would probably think she were in love for the first time. Personally, I love ecstasy. I think it can make the world a better place. Such a thing should never be regulated, but a drug that causes love is a dangerous thing. I mean I don't see a wife or family till at least 15 years down the road, but I would never want my daughter's first time to be caused by an irresistible chemical experience that I promoted. Ya dig?
 
whats up with u guys over there in europe (especially the UK) and ectacy? lol i hate Ectacy i've had a few good times on it in the past but u gotta be in the right mood for it and have the right atmosphere and i dunno but i've only done it a handful times in my past and after the last roll i took i never did it again and decided the bad effects of that drug out-weighted the good effects... I like downers i guess, opiates are my drug of choice, but again i hate them too..ahh well
 
^ Haha.. yeah, i like ecstasy, but i don't think i could do it as much as some people do. It's probably because of all the SHIT pills circulating Australia.. yay for meth bombs.

But im more of a psychedelic drug person.. drugs that make me think, change my thought patterns.. just put me in another reality of time, i feel i actually get something rewarding from it.. then just a 'high'.

But i do believe there's a massive over-reaction too ecstasy, it's treated alot worse then what it actually is. And im definitley with you Lassaris, i get a kick out of reading user comments on drug related articles.. :)
 
That would be really good if it got made a class B drug, but I strongly doubt it's going to happen.
 
jamaica0535 said:
yea the day after a night of ecstasy and i want to hit the next person who gets in my way.... some 5-HTP and B-6 help with the comedown for me though...


Apart from feeling a bit tired and run-down I have never had a comedown from MDMA / pills. Quite often I have been left feeling quite refreshed during the week.

Having a hangover, on the other hand, feels like I am a zombie for the next few days.
 
7zark7 said:
Apart from feeling a bit tired and run-down I have never had a comedown from MDMA / pills. Quite often I have been left feeling quite refreshed during the week.

Having a hangover, on the other hand, feels like I am a zombie for the next few days.

yeah im with you 7zark7, the comedown from MDMA for me is being a bit tired and run-down, if anything i enjoy it. have a little bit of a smoke, watch some movies. sure i couldnt comprehend any advanced algebra or write a thesis, but hey you cant expect the most fantastic feeeling to have no repercusions, can you?
 
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