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TV radicalisation - the real menace in the west

Ransom itch

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I can't speak for America but Western tv news channels over here in the UK are ramping up fear to such a degree now that many people's instinct is to suspect that any Asian/middle-eastern/turban-wearing individual we see walking down our street is probably not innocently popping down to to the supermarket but rather, is headed towards some secretive underground terrorist training camp in order to plan all manner of evil and societal mayhem. What our news outlets are doing to our minds over here in the west - this is the real dangerous radicalisation taking place via ABC, NBC, CNN, BBC, ITN, Sky and all the other open sewer systems pumping out our 'news'. Any others who feels like this?
 
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All news outlets are like this. They focus on gloom and doom. On New Year's Eve, one of the major news stories we got was that a father and his young son had been found dead on their farm and they suspected murder/suicide.
 
May be more suited to Current Events forum, but I largely agree that western media is trying to drum up huge quantities of fear, not just towards Islam but with that being the main scary shit these days.... Its unhelpful and way too black and white to be in any way reality. Mainstream news is unreadable/unwatchable IMO and extremely right wing. Sadly, I see the main left wing newspaper I read (The Age) as knocking on deaths door, so I am concerned that this sort of redneck instinctive racism will increase in Australia at least.

That said, it is also not black and white- on both sides. Sure, the vast majority of Muslims are not violent jihadist's, but there does exist an element that is; those ones cannot laugh at themselves, they can bear no criticism of Islam and they expect everyone to abide by their proclivity. Those who do not are to be put to the sword. Sure, this element is sparse but it only takes 19 people to change huge parts of the globe.

To that, I have no possible solution. Either there will be a deadly confrontation between the west and Islam that settles this once and for all or the current global insurgency will (hopefully) just subside as previously undeveloped countries adopt more inclusive ideals.

I say PEACE :)
 
The MSM are very definitely into programming us. They get it wrong often enough the cracks show and it is easy to see just how they make shit up and ignore the facts so as to form a society that is not what the People actually want. The worst part is, it works. The average Joe in the street probably still believes refugees threw their kids overboard or that sending refugees to Cambodia is a good thing for them.

As for 9/11, it was a lot more than 19 people and the chances are excellent not a single culprit died. Something like 9 of those 19 we all got told about are still alive. The 'plane' that hit the Pentagon was a missile - footage released in 2011 proves that, but such things never reach the screen in the lounge so people either don't know or refuse to believe because it comes tarnished with 'Conspiracy Theory.'

As an aside - in Melbourne when I first lived there (early 70's) The Age was the paper for the corporate types and bankers. The Sun and the Herald were both papers of the people, the news for factory types or the office workers who didn't have their own office. When and how they got swapped around, I'm not sure - I'd guess it was when Howard messed with the media ownership laws and the papers were no longer owned locally.
 
Who shot this missile I must ask?

On topic: I read conflcting reports on this, but I have read that, statistically, violent crime is in decline globally (though, alterntively, I read that the last 7 years has seen increased global violence). Either way, there is an idea that the last 60-70 years, since roughly the end of WW2, the world became more peaceful- and yet, most individuals would say the opposite, that according to the media, the world is getting worse.

Perhaps, Ransom itch, we need to focus more on facts rather then the cover-to-cover editorials we see now :) Try not to despair, things can always get worse! :D ;) <3
 
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I could go on and on about the specific global ecologic styled economics, the religious assumptions at the route of our dualistic (black white) logic, And the inevitable transition back from fiat money to force as a means of acquiring resources. But in hopes of staying on topic here, I feel I should focus on two basic points...

The first is a simple one - It is true that main stream media is pushing a paradigm of the world that seeks to directly benefit the power elite. However at their core, they are pseudo psycho indulgence constructed to generate an emotional response (instead of logical arguments) from their viewers for the sole purpose of higher ratings. The more violent, impulsive, imminent, and for lack of a better word... fucked, they are able to present the world to be, the more people will tune in. When the masses are bombarded with an ever-present feeling that the world is in constant collapse, they are more likely to not only stay tuned in, but also to internalize and reflect the visceral emotional arguments rather than those based in fact/logic/historical context.

Second, it is imperative that news goers comprehend the impact that the style of media they take in completely alters the mode of thinking and how arguments are presented. Television is a strictly visual medium, and thus it abandons logical arguments, as it presents arguments as piece mealed visual references, and is too impulsively reinforcing to demonstrate a multi variable premise and conclusion. TV is passive, thus people tend not to challenge what is being presented.

For instance the term "it follows that" came from the culture of the written word. If a then b and so on. Sadly, I can watch an hour of tv news without hearing a single valid logical argument, while being bombarded by fallacy after fallacy. The problem is that television is for the most part incapable of presenting a premiss to conclusion (logical/factual) point of view...

If you want to know the truth about the world around you, you must read about it, challenge what you read, and experience it for yourself. see marshall McLuhan and various postmodernist philosophers for a more in-depth understanding to this point.
 
An example of how the media ramps things up...

Once upon a time, if you broke into a house and the owners were home (even if asleep) you got charged with Burglary. (if the house is empty it's Breaking and Entering)

Now, it's Home Invasion - exactly the same crime and AFAIK you still get charged with burglary, but Home Invasion is SOOO much more dramatic, doncha know?
 
The MSM are very definitely into programming us. They get it wrong often enough the cracks show and it is easy to see just how they make shit up and ignore the facts so as to form a society that is not what the People actually want. The worst part is, it works. The average Joe in the street probably still believes refugees threw their kids overboard or that sending refugees to Cambodia is a good thing for them.

As for 9/11, it was a lot more than 19 people and the chances are excellent not a single culprit died. Something like 9 of those 19 we all got told about are still alive. The 'plane' that hit the Pentagon was a missile - footage released in 2011 proves that, but such things never reach the screen in the lounge so people either don't know or refuse to believe because it comes tarnished with 'Conspiracy Theory.'
You sure like "alternative" theories don't you.☺
Not saying that is a bad thing.

I'm very slow to be persuaded by conspiracy theories. Especially the ones that involve a bunch of people.
Having said that, I have a couple I tend to believe in too.
 
Actually didn't McLuhan describe Television as an audile/tactile medium, with the TV image being constructed in a way that was more like a sculpture or piece of tribal art in that it is more tactile? I think that he said that print was the strictly visual medium and that the visual quality of print gave people the ability to think logically. I think that it's the audial quality of television that doesn't allow people who watch it to think totally logically. But that would be fine if it weren't for the fact that everything on it is garbage. I kind of see television as a revival of pre-enlightenment irrational worship and obeying of religious leaders and idols.
 
Willow 11 said that maybe this topic/thread is more suited to current events. I did think about this before posting but posted it here purely because in most instances it is fear that drives us into considering and subsequently adopting all sorts of life philosophies. At least let the life philosophy we adopt help us to be bold and broad enough to challenge the status quo. It was 20th century writer and thinker HL Mencken who once said, “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary and hence keeping us clamorouring to be saved."

Wow! Couldn't agree more.
 
You sure like "alternative" theories don't you.☺
Not saying that is a bad thing.
I'm very slow to be persuaded by conspiracy theories. Especially the ones that involve a bunch of people.
Having said that, I have a couple I tend to believe in too.
Conspiracy Theories have been demonised - makes people wary of even brushing up against them, but a conspiracy is just 2 or more people agreeing to do something other people don't know about. If the Bilderberg group aren't getting together to organise things in favour of themselves, WTF are they doing? There's the conspiracy right there and the fact it is secretive leaves the field wide open for speculation.

The US Govt (or the US criminal conspiracy) stands condemned by it's actions across the past 50 years or more - the internet is making it plain but there have been people trying to show what the CIA and the power groups have been doing since they put the Shah in place in Iran. It's hard to live 60 years and NOT start to see the links across all different kinds of areas - although many manage it. :(

@McTavish - Print has another advantage over TV and video - you can put it down and come back later. One of the problems with University education is the lecture format. Like TV it just keeps rolling, which means nobody gets a chance to say, "Hey, wait a minute, let me think that through" so the entire program gets edited straight into the mind with very little oversight. And if there is no oversight, the content tends to slip right past any censor, particularly when it is laden with triggers for archetypes and symbols.

With video on the web it's a bit easier, but be honest, when was the last time you stopped a video to think through the implications of what is being said?
 
@McTavish - Print has another advantage over TV and video - you can put it down and come back later. One of the problems with Univerisity education is the lecture format. Like TV it just keeps rolling, which means nobody gets a chance to say, "Hey, wait a minute, let me think that through" so the entire program gets edited straight into the mind with very little oversight. And if there is no oversight, the content tends to slip right past any censor, particularly when it is laden with triggers for archetypes and symbols.

With video on the web it's a bit easier, but be honest, when was the last time you stopped a video to think through the implications of what is being said?


True. And also the fact that Television isn't even built to deal with serious issues or logic. So people are trying to impose onto the medium something it just can't work with. TV is more suited to watching cartoons and stuff like that. Not talking about real world problems.
About what you said with the lecture format on television, of course there is debating, but we all know that television "debates" are just
jokes. Battles between two sides of the same system.
 
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he did, and you are right to point out the audio aspect of tv. But one must remember he was writing in the late 1960. he was talking about tube television... he was mostly guessing when it comes to interactive global technology which he guessed would generate a global village. (nice catch greenlighter)

the latter part of my argument was founded mainly in postmodernists and specific psych/media authors. I can find the book at the moment but if you are interested i'll track it down for you
 
The media companies have a great responsibility when it comes to relaying information.. and they do their jobs pretty pathetically to be honest. Even the BBC. A company selling you a dodgy product is one thing, but a media company can influence the minds of millions of people in both short term and long term.. which goes on to affect the actions of the individuals and large groups of people.

TV has become one of the most dangerous weapons that there is, and it's being used against everyone from influencing them as to what to buy and from which corporations, to what beliefs they should hold about science, religion, and the environment, to justifying military campaigns against just about anyone.

 
The "mainstream medias" job is to make money. That's their agenda. It's like politicians you go for the lesser of the evils but they're all piss poor. The satire and comedy news shows like the daily show and colbert report are far more accurate because they are upfront about their biases.
 
Oh sure that would be great. I don't know many writers in that area, I'm always looking for more. But what do you mean about older tv and newer tv and that he was guessing about interactive technology that would generate a global village? Do you not think that it had that effect?
 
The MSM are very definitely into programming us. They get it wrong often enough the cracks show and it is easy to see just how they make shit up and ignore the facts so as to form a society that is not what the People actually want. The worst part is, it works. The average Joe in the street probably still believes refugees threw their kids overboard or that sending refugees to Cambodia is a good thing for them.

Agreed, kinda..

The MSM outlets all tell stories with an agenda.

As for 9/11, it was a lot more than 19 people and the chances are excellent not a single culprit died. Something like 9 of those 19 we all got told about are still alive. The 'plane' that hit the Pentagon was a missile - footage released in 2011 proves that, but such things never reach the screen in the lounge so people either don't know or refuse to believe because it comes tarnished with 'Conspiracy Theory.'

Bullshit. Every witness saw a plane, no one saw a missile. There was a shit ton of wreckage as seen in photographs and by eye witnesses. There's the missing plane and people. The audio of the flight control room talking about the plane. etc ettc..

And the alternative theory thread is in CE&P :p
 
With almost all western media owned by 5 or 6 Corporations, each controlled by pretty much the same people, McLuhan has become correct - the media is now the message and the message is the same, with sometimes different flavours, from all media sources. Very few independent sources exist anymore so any message they want us to believe is very difficult to not see and harder to ignore.

While the CT part of 9/11 might belong in CE&P there is very clearly a role played by TV and media. I'm unsure what wreckage you speak of because right at the start there was pretty much no wreckage and only a hole that could never have accommodated more than the fuselage of the plane, so where are the hardened steel-titanium, high temperature, 6 tonne engines? The TV made sure we all got overdosed on the tiny scrap pieces later on but initial footage and photos showed nothing.

What sort of disaster has FBI racing around the area within an hour or so confiscating all video footage - surely THAT footage would have made GREAT viewing for the audiences, particularly once the CT's came along?

But of course, seeing an impossible plane could not have caused the damage we DID see, the TV played to the story designed to scare Americans (& the rest of the West eventually) into allowing them to pass an already prepared bill to strip away freedoms. In one fell swoop, radicalisation took a hug leap forward. The US Constitution is made null and void and GDubya set up to attack Iraq like they wanted.

Add to the changes being implemented by TV in particular but by media and web sources as well we have the ongoing campaign to make us all scared of each other. Stats show that cities were getting safer (per capita) for 40 years but in that same time polls showed people were getting more afraid of violence and other crimes than ever. It's difficult to understand how that could be until you look at the MSM, then it all falls into place.

Burglary in the media is now Home Invasion but you still get charged with burglary - why? Because Home Invasion is much more dramatic and instills more personalised fear.

And while people are scared, several things happen.

They tend to isolate themselves because of the generalised nature of the fear. If the fear was more specific they might band together - definitely that is not wanted.

They tend to become less variable in things like how they choose what to do, so getting them to vote a particular way is simpler. Once our politicians promised us good things, better lives, cleaner air and so on. Now they manufacture crises and then promise to keep us safe.

They tend to become sicker - fear puts us into a fight/flight state, which has bad effects on health. The immune system is part of the viscera, the life-supporting systems of our bodies and evoking F/F response means resources do not go to the viscera but to the emergency systems. A constant level of mild fear also causes long-term stress, which tends to multiply any issues people have, so a person who might normally restrain their anger will instead let it go, thus increasing the fear levels further.

It's a delicate game they play, because too much fear and you get an immense eruption from the population - governments fall in such times. But they have the experience. Ed Bernays (Freud's nephew) brought Freud's work to advertising and the advertising industry has been programming us ever since. The amount of virtually subliminal sex in ads for example is amazing once you start analysing it and they even quite openly tell us, "Sex Sells!" which may seem obvious but they put sex in EVERYTHING.

More programming can be found in music videos - there is a reason that in spite of changes to society in how women are to be treated, music videos are pretty much raw sex and the objectification of females. And the ones that aren't are normally violence prone. People who applauded the pixelation of the 'wardrobe malfunction' seem mostly content to allow sex videos to be screened during family time slots.

Given tests and observations keep showing the power mongers in our society respond very clearly to psychopath behaviour patterns, I think it takes a peculiar lack of imagination to NOT believe they would eagerly use every means they have to control the population. With programmed media being delivered from just a few media owners, they can pretty much make the public believe anything they want them to. 9/11 is just one example where impossible physics tells us it was all faked, yet the average Joe and Jane will actually get angry if we try to point out the impossibility of what they have been sold.

Now the secret rulers want more war. Do we really think a fluff movie like The Interview wasn't being used as a tool to get North Korea upset? Do we just disregard the evidence coming out showing CIA connections to ISIL/ISIS/IS or whatever they are going to call themselves next? The US and other countries have been arming insurgents across the Middle East just like they did and do in South America - rebels in Iran have been getting US aid for 20 years or more to keep the pot bubbling. Libya fell NOT because the people wanted Gaddafi gone but because the US did, to the point where they armed and aided al Qaeda to go get him - talk about classic 'enemy of my enemy.'

THE MSM don't report these things because they are not there to report news any more, they are a propaganda tool of the power mongers, wholly bought and under control. But they are not the 'real menace of the West' they are one of the tools of the real menace of the West.
 
I haven't noticed the anti-muslim thing you're talking about. What I HAVE noticed is political correctness being shoved down people's throats, as well as manipulation to get people to accept the agenda of those on top.
 
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