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trump new york fraud investigations

^If he had anything other than yes men sycophants he wouldn't be here. Even if he had loyal yes men an sycophants he wouldn't be here.
Part of his problem is that he is so f'in hateable.

Electrum -- NY should be where he is prosecuted, they know him in NY. He only got like 4% of the vote in DC; proximity effect.

So how do you feel about the Eileen Cannon and Clarence Thomas not being recused or w/e....while we talk about "fair court". Dude had 11 contempt of court charges and he earned them.... believe me you or I would be in jail.

He isn't officially a convict till sentencing -- sure, Ill have to remember that for folks with trial in progress; they will get a laugh out of that line of logic. Nah still strap up, your guilty but not sentenced Im sure its cool. (pretty sure it wouldnt be legal?).
 
I mean neither party is immune from this stuff. Clinton impeached for a BJ. Edwards taken out of the race by a mistress. If you want the "perceived power" people are waiting to take you down. That is just the way it is. So both Clinton and trump took advantage of women and got caught.

The media is so silly. They try for click bate. A dem won, Marilyn Lands , an Alabama election by a landslide which is unheard of in that state. But the media still pushes red wave to get people to click on their article. 2022 midterms is a good example. Red wave.

Do not underestimate the notion to take woman's rights and expect to to get that vote. Alabama is a good example. The abortion thing is not subtle. It is apparent. Woman's rights with birth control next. That will not fly and it did not in Alabama.

At the end of the day a lot of people will hold their nose and vote Biden just to get rid of trump. I also know some republicans that are going to do the same even if they say they are not. I am willing to bet people that spoke out against trump then said they would vote for him will not. But the way the media focuses on the minority it looks bigger. Bill Bar, who spoke out and now is scared, will go into that booth and vote Biden. I'd be willing to make a wager on that, I really would. Such a predictable weasel that he is .
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
Not "official" until sentencing.

July 11, 2024

That is if one wants to be technically and officially correct.
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That is just not the case historically, you are only correct due to this particular case which marks a change in the law, one that is necessary for the time being due to the disgraceful manner in which the former President has been expected to face justice. The law does not and never has applied to him, needing the Supreme Court's upcoming decision to settle the matter once and for all. Judge Cannon is the only member of the justice system to be brave enough to make a stand and has done a fantastic job in denying the citizens of the US the trial regarding the theft of government documents long enough to either win or steal the election in November, at which point he will be able to personally quash the proceedings.
 
steewith2ees said:
That is just not the case historically, you are only correct due to this particular case
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So you admit that I am right, but you feel the law is wrong, so you consider him a felon anyway?

That is fine, but you are still wrong, regardless of your feelings. The law is not your feelings, it is the law as applied to individual cases.

After Trump is sentenced on July 11 he will be a felon. Take that as a win and be happy.

PS, I am not a Trump Supporter, nor did I vote for him; but I cannot change the way the law works, so I accept the way it actually is, not the way someone wishes it works.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
So you admit that I am right, but you feel the law is wrong, so you consider him a felon anyway?

That is fine, but you are still wrong, regardless of your feelings. The law is not your feelings, it is the law as applied to individual cases.

After Trump is sentenced on July 11 he will be a felon. Take that as a win and be happy.

PS, I am not a Trump Supporter, nor did I vote for him; but I cannot change the way the law works, so I accept the way it actually is, not the way someone wishes it works.
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My feelings are clear - I understand I am the only member who is biased in any way and unable to treat every concept with total and detached objectivity but forgive me for labouring under the lifelong misapprehension that people are convicted of a crime following the entry of a guilty plea or following a guilty verdict from either the bench or a jury.

I honestly did not realise that those convicted of committing a crime were still considered as being not guilty while awaiting sentence. I feel sorry for all the murderers that are remanded into or back into custody following a guilty verdict as, having not been sentenced at that stage, are not actually considered as being convicted criminals.
 
Hmmm I never knew that. I went through the legal system in 1991. So that period between April and August I technically was not a felon. The time between the plea and the sentence. But I was right after. Luckly this was pre computer. I was never inputted into any system. My own parole officer could not find me 10 years later in 2001 when I asked him for a note that said I completed parole. He hand wrote a note for me out of memory. Nowadays with endless computer space nothing is omitted.
 
alasdairm said:
^ they're not considered not guilty - they are a guilty defendant awaiting sentencing - but they do not officially become a felon until after sentencing.

alasdair
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I genuinely stand corrected and I apologise to Cheshire Kat, my only excuse is that I am a UK based nonentity who's legal system does not have the equivalent of a felon, only convicted criminals who have been or are awaiting sentence.
 
im not from the US, but I would genuinely appreciate if someone could explain the lawfare thing to me. I (thought) I was understanding everything up until I read the term lawfare.
Anyone?
 
trump and his supporters claim that joe biden has weaponized the justice system against trump and rigged his trial so he would be found guilty.

as with the lie about election fraud, it's just that. a lie.

sowing doubt in trusted institutions like the election system and the justice system is would-be dictator 101.

ymmv.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
trump and his supporters claim that joe biden has weaponized the justice system against trump and rigged his trial so he would be found guilty.

as with the lie about election fraud, it's just that. a lie.

sowing doubt in trusted institutions like the election system and the justice system is would-be dictator 101.

ymmv.

alasdair
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Thank you. I assumed it was as ridiculous as I thought it was. I just wasn’t completely sure.

I was happy to see the charges and the outcome.
 
Being a convicted felon won't stop Trump from being elected President. If anything, it might give him a boost.

Personally, I don't give a shit about this particular case. And I wouldn't care if there were no other charges against him. In fact, it wouldn't really matter to me if Jan 6 never happened and if Trump was  not a racist, sexist, xenophobic, sociopathic narcissist who couldn't even make money with a casino-- I'd still be alarmed and disgusted at the idea of this buffoon in the White House.

For environmental reasons alone. And not just the harm  he will do, but the continued harm caused by the judges he appoints. The next few years are critical. We no longer have time to fuck around.

I probably pay too much attention to politics and the state of the world. I don't have kids and I'll be dead in 10 or 15 years. The MAGA movement and other right-wing trends won't have much affect on me. Likewise, the climate crisis and general ecological destruction. But you folks who are 50 or younger? And you folks who have children and grandchildren to care about?
You should be very, very concerned.
 
jasperkent said:
Being a convicted felon won't stop Trump from being elected President. If anything, it might give him a boost.

Personally, I don't give a shit about this particular case. And I wouldn't care if there were no other charges against him. In fact, it wouldn't really matter to me if Jan 6 never happened and if Trump was  not a racist, sexist, xenophobic, sociopathic narcissist who couldn't even make money with a casino-- I'd still be alarmed and disgusted at the idea of this buffoon in the White House.

For environmental reasons alone. And not just the harm  he will do, but the continued harm caused by the judges he appoints. The next few years are critical. We no longer have time to fuck around.

I probably pay too much attention to politics and the state of the world. I don't have kids and I'll be dead in 10 or 15 years. The MAGA movement and other right-wing trends won't have much affect on me. Likewise, the climate crisis and general ecological destruction. But you folks who are 50 or younger? And you folks who have children and grandchildren to care about?
You should be very, very concerned.
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I’m honestly terrified of what the future holds.
Not so much for me, but for my little girl.
 
steewith2ees said:
My feelings are clear - I understand I am the only member who is biased in any way and unable to treat every concept with total and detached objectivity but forgive me for labouring under the lifelong misapprehension that people are convicted of a crime following the entry of a guilty plea or following a guilty verdict from either the bench or a jury.

I honestly did not realise that those convicted of committing a crime were still considered as being not guilty while awaiting sentence. I feel sorry for all the murderers that are remanded into or back into custody following a guilty verdict as, having not been sentenced at that stage, are not actually considered as being convicted criminals.
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Yea like a good chunk of people currently in jail are currently innocent, lemme see if I can find a # .... Looks like 2/3 or 66.6 percent of people in jail (not prison) have NOT YET CONVICTED OF A CRIME. (2023).

So innocent till proven guilty? Than why do we hold the innocent in incarceration? Because a very small percent of them have the ability to flee....but probably not ppl with private jets and personal friends with Putin (maybe hyperbole); but cmon biggest flight risk ever.
 
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