trouble with auntie val

webbykevin

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Been hitting the valiums a bit hard lately, need some advice/encouragement to get out of this rut before it gets too deep.

Also smashing the codeines again a bit too.

Thanks guys, dunno why i bloody do this every so often.
 
Vally rattles ming... This is going to sound incredibly stupid but I hope my dumbness helps. . . I began taking ridiculous amounts of them a couple of years ago. Morning, noon and night. Then I ran out. (My supply dried up-no script) So I just stopped. The stupidity I'm referring to is that I thought I COULD just stop and life would be normal besides a bit of insomnia. Suicidal is an understatement. I've never been so depressed in my life, and I had no idea why. Then I mentioned to a hardcore veteran pal that I had been taking these little darlings for months and he said it's no wonder I felt like I did, what did I expect? Anyway, I just stopped. Period. The depression lasted a week or so, I had the option of getting my hands on some more but decided to ride it out. Like everything, it passes. It really was only the first few days that were the worst (only mentally) Perhaps tapering is an option, but as I said, I literally did just stop. After a week-10 days...never looked back. Hang in there :)
 
I don't have any advice on how to get out of it but I can certainly chime in with the encouragement. As with any substance that begins to control you, you have to ask yourself what it is that is that underlies the need. Is it emptiness that you are trying to fill? Is it boredom? Is it stress that you are trying to blunt or painful emotions that you want to numb? A combination of all of the above? Whether it is one or several of these (or one I missed altogether ;)) addressing the problems head-on is going to help you with the motivation you need to quit (or at least to taper down if that is your goal).

I know there are many people here who can give you advice on how to taper. Since you can expect an increase in depression and anxiety when you do, having a plan for how to deal with that outcome seems crucial. Do you do any kind of therapy? Would that be an option?
 
Well i have had a few valium binges over the last few years and they never last very long, usually a few weeks, I have prescription for unlimited straight codeine 30's for my back pain so I have found a way to manage those pretty well (usually), I do have the occasional binge but I'm not to concerned about them.

It's the valiums that get their hooks in me, I have a script for them too mainly as a muscle relaxant and to help me sleep if my back pain gets too bad and intrusive. But I have no self control with them, If I get a script filled for 50 of them I will just keep taking them until they are all gone, knowing full well they will make me feel like shit for a week when they are finished.

It started when I was trying to moderate my cannabis usage a couple of years ago, I found that after a couple of months of smoking pot every day in massive quantities I could easily quit for a while by taking a few valiums for the first 3 days of no pot, they really helped deal with the cravings and 3 days was not long enough to get into any pattern of addiction.

Now I just hammer them whenever I get any, it's crazy, they seem to be the only drug that just creeps up on me and before I know it I'm popping them every few hours, I get 5's at the moment and usually take 4 of those at a time, It's fucked, totally unnecessary and I am pissed off with myself that I can't get a handle on it.
 
Ah, I see. Have you ever tried giving them to someone in your family or a trusted friend to dose out to you?
 
Hey webbykevin, hope you're doing ok today. I'm in a similar situation, so perhaps you can take some advice or reassurance or whatever from my own tale o' woe.

30-40mg of diazepam a day, with diphenhydramine (an over the counter sedating antihistamine...), for the past month or so. More controlled usage (5-10mg / day few times a week for social anxiety) for a couple of months leading up to that, with the occassional 100mg a day binge here and there. Stopped cold on Sunday. By Tuesday I felt so bad. Physically I had a very high fever, but felt freezing, unable to stop shaking, sneezing, snotting, etc. Stomach very upset at me but thankfully no diarrhoea or vomiting. Mentally, I was being tortured by nasty bloody demons with pitch forks. That's when I wasn't feeling a strong sense of depersonalization, which was in a way a relief, as I felt as if my mind had been taken away from the nastiness for a while. Throw in a bit of delirium and I was soon sat in front of a stern looking GP explaining how I'd got into this mess.

So now I'm on a taper. Hopefully 5 weeks to go from 20mg to nothing. Not sure how much you were using, but I never considered my use to be massively overdoing things. 20mg is holding me fine atm, though we'll see.

So a taper is an option to get you off the diazepam. If you're scared to go to a GP and be so blunt, try approaching a drug abuse / addiction service first, or any other mental health service, who in my experience tend to seem less judgmental. But as others have said, stopping from such high doses abruptly can be dangerous, even life threatening. Tapering is highly recommended.

Of course, the hard part, and part that you seem to be asking for guidance with, is how to resist temptation, and stay with reality, however crap it is. All I can suggest is getting on a course of psychological therapy; Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is an option; I'm currently on a waiting list for art therapy(!). Are you working? Are there any activities you can get involved in? It sounds so useless, but doing things to help other people can make you feel just as good as 40mg diazepam with a nice morphine chaser.

If anything, try to remember the importance of communicating with other people. You've made those posts, which suggests getting feedback or even acknowledgment from other people is at least a little rewarding to you. I know i find communication rewarding (especially whilst high), so forgive me my rambling. We're all stuck inside the little bubbles of our own conscious existence (pretension alert), and sometimes the weight of the realization that we all go through life alone is almost too much to bear. Hopefully reading this, nonsensical as it probably is, has made you feel (emotionally) connected with another human being. I know that's a rare thing in my life, maybe it is in yours too.

Good luck with the valium. I hope you'll post a nice long winding response to this, and even if it only distracts you for 10 minutes, it's something positive.

As a side note to any mods: would a benzo withdrawal 'megathread' or official thread or whatever be a good idea? I didn't want to start one, but I couldn't find one using the search function. I think such a depository of anecdotes and advice all in one thread could be of use to those thinking about, or going through benzodiazapine withdrawal.
 
Read the lyrics to the song Deja Vu by Eminem. Doesn't matter if you like the artist or not, but the lyrics are all about Benzo's/Opiod's relapse. It got me to recheck how many Lorazepam's or Zopiclone's I am taking.
 
I've been on a Diazepam taper for over 2 months and have just switched down to 20mgs.

In the UK scripts for Benzos long term are almost unheard of so my use, although partly self medication is totally illicit.

I doubt the stuff is doing you any good at all, I have issues with tension in both shoulders due to muscle tension and it gives little to no relief for that and I've been up well into 3 figure a day dosing.

I realise this is going to be a very UK based view but if you really look at the facts your tolerance to Benzos will have long since outrun any real benefit, hence you escalating dosing. Don't feel bad about it loads of people fall into this trap regardless of where they get the stuff from, I have been to the point where I could dose 100mgs and feel almost nothing, so your self control is something to be proud of given your medical situation.

Give this info a read and have a really good think about the pros and cons of continuing to use Benzos, I'm not you so I can;t make that call, but never ever stop cold turkey it is a very dangerous thing to do:-

Heather Ashton - Benzo Manual

Best Wishes
 
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