Trip within a trip?

[ava1enzue1a]

I hope this is ADD-related. At any rate, I'm not sure if anyone here has brought this up before...

Q #1) Anyone know if it's possible to have a trip within a trip, akin to the dream within a dream concept like in the movie Inception?

For example, a DMT tripper discovers another "drug" in another dimension, "ingests" it and falls into another "trip" within the already existing DMT trip. Could anything like this be possible?

Q #2) Another question: could beings in other dimensions have access to oxygen and use it recreationally or otherwise to access OUR world?

Despite asking for input here, I've actually come up with theories to my own questions (but would still like to hear anyone else's theories):

Possible A to #1) Consciousness in other planes of reality could be too abstract to distinguish "one" from "another". Here in our 3-dimensional plane of existence, we are able to distinguish "here" from "there" or "outside" from "within" (such as the theoretical concept described above in said question #1), but the concept may not be so concrete in other planes of existence.

Possible A to #2) Maybe not, considering oxygen is a physical element that may only exist in our current physical state and nowhere else, therefore not being available nor perceptible to beings existing outside our plane of reality.

Is there any scientific evidence at all to prove or disprove any of this, or even firsthand experience relating to these questions? I'd like to hear anyone else's thoughts on any of this. Thanks!

 

[Gaius]

Wrong forum, go here.

 

[ebola?]

^^^^^
yup

 

[L2R]

1- you can hallucinate lots of things. this by no means makes what you experienced an objective thing. the dreams in inception are nonsense too.

2- why oxygen? these hypothetical beings you refer to can be made up of anything, so literally anything here can have potential mind altering properties. this whole question takes for granted that the other has concepts of minds, drugs and other dimensions as we do. that alone is a huge assumption.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

1 - I suppose.

2 - Not enough data.

 

[ava1enzue1a]

Wrong forum, go here.

Thanks.

you can hallucinate lots of things. this by no means makes what you experienced an objective thing.

Agreed; I've never concluded otherwise.

the dreams in inception are nonsense too.

Not the concept of dreaming within a dream, which I can tell you is possible even from firsthand experience. Besides, a lot of things in the movie are nonsensical; e.g., you can't dream while under chemical sedation (from what I've read). But that really isn't the point here nor of the movie anyway. Back on track...

why oxygen?

Because oxygen's essential for brain activity that enables us to perceive through our 5 ordinary senses? If there exists a consciousness outside of our brain that can perceive like we do without requiring oxygen to pass through it, then I can see what you mean.

this whole question takes for granted that the other has concepts of minds, drugs and other dimensions as we do. that alone is a huge assumption.

More so a hypothetical musing than an assumption. Like you said, these beings can be made up of anything. I don't disagree.

 

[alasdairm]

Anyone know if it's possible to have a trip within a trip...

if you don't answer this question in the affirmative, then your answer is "no. that's impossible."

nobody can say, with authority, that it's impossible so, yes, it's possible.

alasdair

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

to be honest with you this thread made me a little uncomfortable cuz of the infinite sort of message. Ehh.

 

[Foreigner]

I've never had a trip within a trip so I can't say. Because I'm awake when I trip, anything that I see, I just assume is part of the same reality (or non-reality). Dividing it into separate levels seems counter-intuitive.

As for oxygen and aliens... I have no idea. My guess would be that if there are other beings in higher dimensions, then they might be mutable non-material forms, which means oxygen is irrelevant to their existence.

 

[ebola?]

taking a trip: manipulating material phenomena in the brain directly to elicit psychedelic cognition.

A 'drug' you hallucinate in a trip couldn't function as a "drug" because it is divorced from the material basis by which drugs function. However, having a dream in a dream functions just as a dream (nothing that special about it...I had a few nested dreams this morning with partial lucidity near the end...that time dilation thing from Inception appears to be complete hogwash...at least as my brain functions).

ebola

 

[L2R]

Not the concept of dreaming within a dream, which I can tell you is possible even from firsthand experience. Besides, a lot of things in the movie are nonsensical; e.g., you can't dream while under chemical sedation (from what I've read). But that really isn't the point here nor of the movie anyway. Back on track...

dreams within dreams, sure. i've had them too. the structures of the dreams in those films, and how people can share them is the nonsensical part. the point here is that drug trips and dreams are not alike at all.

 

[fedmo]

A buddy of mine saw Inception before me and called me up and said that they'd made a movie of a trip we'd had about 20 years previously. OF course that was 20 years in this time frame, far more in the trip within a trip that I had.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

What we consider to be living is but a dream that we will awaken from one day.

Make of it what you will.

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

the first time i smoked DMT i was asleep. and it was cooler than the real drug which i am not a huge fan of to be honest, which then made me think i was asleep when i was awake for awhile...soooo..

 

[alarik]

Q #1) Anyone know if it's possible to have a trip within a trip, akin to the dream within a dream concept like in the movie Inception?

I do think that the concept of having a trip within a trip is possible. The idea of finding a metaphysical drug in hyperspace is way beyond our way of understanding alternate dimensions. But I will give you an alternative answer to another way of interprating the question: If we regard a trip as a mind altered state that form consciousness in a way that the room of understanding is still maintained after the chemicals have leaved the body, - then you can have a trip inside that altered room of understanding. But it requires another physical intoxication. What's interesting about the effects of psychedelics is that it changes your worldview and shapes your way of relating to concepts of the world.

In other words, the trip you entered can complexify and change form afterwards through another intoxication without that your mind left the trip in the first place. It's as if time works in multidimensions. You intoxicate yourself and you find yourself in another timeframe and when you sober up you sidle back into ordinary timeframe, - the next time you ingest a psychoactive substance you enter the same timeframe as before: Two friends of mine smoked Salvia an evening and was sober for one week afterwards before going to a festival where they took MDMA and LSD. They both felt a kind of chill and they both had an instantaneous telepathic experience of waking up from the Salvia trip they had one week before.

Q #2) Another question: could beings in other dimensions have access to oxygen and use it recreationally or otherwise to access OUR world?

Depends on how you regard dimensions of reallity and your own psyche. Either way, oxygen must be in the 3 dimensional cosmos we are in, or in a parallell universe, or that the other dimension is constituted by similar laws that our universe are. Either way it might be that your mind are that Being that is connected from another dimension into your bodily avatar. So if we regard consciousness as existing somewhere in another dimension beyond 3 dimensions you might be on to something. The old greek talked about psychosis or divine madness due to reincarnating souls entering the body of humans... This might be what you are looking for?

Another interesting subject is the achetypes of personas in contrast to the superego or the trancendent other as mckenna was obsessed about: Your psyche is multilateral in that you have different personas intersecting eachother and are made up through Samskara (experiences and environments) as buddhist refer to. But beyond that there seem to be some sort of supreme being, Athman, as hinduist believe constitues everything; a kind of all-encompassing mind or source that all living creatures make up their consciousness from. Which pretty much means that all is one conscioussness, experiencing itself subjectevly as Bill Hicks said. Whether that source is made up of different properties, gods or beings in a polytheistic way that occupy your mind and body is more a matter of ignorance which can be penetrated, if you ask gurus. It's also a question of onthological framework (belief) in which you relate to the concepts of being and beings.

 

[jpgrdnr]

I think its possible to change the trip in different ways. I've experienced intense claustrophobia and spacial distortion while inside a house on shrooms. And then a change of venue or going outside brings about a different experience, looking at trees, etc.
You could probably plan something out where it could seem like a trip within a trip:

Two friends of mine smoked Salvia an evening and was sober for one week afterwards before going to a festival where they took MDMA and LSD. They both felt a kind of chill and they both had an instantaneous telepathic experience of waking up from the Salvia trip they had one week before.

I think that's about as close as you might get, sort of a delayed combo with psychedelics. Although mileage may vary and it may prove to be a bit of a waste.

I find a walk in the woods and a swim just as effective.

 

[alarik]

Absolutely. Time as delayed or streched out is not confined to states of mind due to intoxication of psychedelics but I do believe that the experience as such is more intense in that people are not aware of the psychic conditions availible because it's illegal. It's all a matter of subjective time-frames and that is a subject not so much reserached on.
A really cold bath or swimming is an perfect example of it because it "wakes you up". Personally I think short time of sleeping are the most profound experience in that you are more or less subconscious but not fully asleep so that you are aware of the environment but you can't relate to it, so it feels like a sleep of a couple of hours when it is a matter of a couple of minutes. Daydreaming are also special in that ideas and thought's are being "spread" rapidly in contrast to when you are trying to mediate them through language. It might be due to image-rendering-thoughts that don't need to be translated into inadequate words, - which is a interesting subject for psychedelic studies.