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Transhumanism

qwe said:
^how is it 'limited' when its entire premise is pushing our limits (emotional, intellectual, physical capacities) as organisms (using technology)?

this doesnt have to be associated with Transhumanism

"Transhumanism is supporting the use of new sciences and technologies to enhance human cognitive and physical abilities and ameliorate what it regards as undesirable and unnecessary aspects of the human condition, such as disease, aging, and death. "

thats the part i find "unevolved and limited"

you can care about the singularity without the "im afraid to die, i dont want to suffer" mentality

singularity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_singularity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity


this is a video about - Exploring Life Extension
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6581761732541483047
 
skywise said:
I'm skeptical (big surprise, right?) that technology can make us more "enlightened". I think you're right that technology could eventually make us smarter. Because of this I think being smarter *can* hurt. I don't think we will put our intellect to good ends. I'd be afraid that if in the next 100 years we develop technology to make us super-intelligent that the results will be something along the lines of albert einstein and nucleur technology in the dark ages. If thats a little obscure, I'm basically saying that I think transhumanism will cause our intellectual powers to move foward at a much higher speed than our moral ones and result in disaster.

p.s. I don't know much about transhumanism but those are my initial thoughts based mostly on what I read in this thread.
good points, but consider that technology can also increase our empathy, love, and happiness
 
ninjadanslarbretabar said:
"Transhumanism is supporting the use of new sciences and technologies to enhance human cognitive and physical abilities and ameliorate what it regards as undesirable and unnecessary aspects of the human condition, such as disease, aging, and death. "

thats the part i find "unevolved and limited"

you can care about the singularity without the "im afraid to die, i dont want to suffer" mentality
well the definition of transhumanism you quoted said nothing about eliminating suffering itself

can you explain why disease and aging are necessary? and if they are not necessary, why not get rid of them?

i don't want to live longer because i'm afraid of death, but instead because i really want to see what happens to society and, especially, science and what we figure out
 
ninjadanslarbretabar said:
why the elite ?
and what do you mean by elite ?

i can use a satellite ($$$) with google earth and im not a elite (understand what im trying to say here ???)

I mean "elite" in both a financial and academic sense. If indeed the strategy is to compound intelligences to most quickly and efficiently propel the sciences of transhumanism forward, than it is those few who are best able to participate in that strategy, intellectually and/or finacially, that will be the ones to receive the most advanced treatments. Also, it is possible that a small, elite cadre of advanced "humans" serving as rulers might be enough to keep humanity from destroying itself.
 
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qwe said:
1 - said nothing about eliminating suffering

2 - can you explain why disease and aging are necessary?

3 - why not get rid of them?

4 - i really want to see what happens...

1 - i associate disease, aging with suffering...

2 - thats just my logic,
there is night, there is light, life and death.. joy and suffering (disease, aging)
if its there, its because it needs to be there...
but i dont think we need to be philosophical about "is it necessary"
we always try to get rid of them anyway, we try to survive...

3 - as for the "why not get rid of them?"
thats what survival, evolution, is
there is nothing new here

4 - i really want to see what happens when we die...:)

i understand the idea of the singularity, the Omega point...
but there is more to it than getting rid of disease, aging, and death
and Transhumanist seems to me to be always very anal about getting rid of disease, aging, and death
one thing i care about is trying to create a system where we dont need elite to govern
we all are different, we all have different need, we all live in our own subjective reality, for a elite to think they can represent everyone is a joke, thats the first thing they could realise with a "brain upgrade" :\

"Upgrade your grey matter, cause one day it may matter" - Deltron 3030

Deltron 3030 - Positive Contact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCXwl7XBiQ
 
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ninjadanslarbretabar said:
1 - i associate disease, aging with suffering...
without disease and aging, there are still other ways to suffer. we've been eliminating suffering for the past few thousand years, your arguments could be used to say 'don't invent the automobile' or 'don't invent penicilin'

if its there, its because it needs to be there...
this leads to a number of nonsensical conclusions. eg, AIDs needs to be there. other diseases should not be fought, we should let them run rampant. that big stone blocking our road needs to be there, we shouldnt demolish it. retarded people need to be retarded. etc etc

you're going to need to justify your logic. what's the reason that anything that exists must continue to exist?

4 - i really want to see what happens when we die...
then you can either A. wait a few thousand years to die instead of a hundred like myself (during which time science might even find out what happens), or B. simply not use the technology that extends your life

p.s. cool music thanks
 
sorry i dont think you understood me,,
im not saying its bad
"we always try to get rid of them anyway, we try to survive..."
im saying i dont deal with it (the future) with the same priority (as transhumanist)
((but my priority are only mine, that doesn't mean im right, or that i believe that im right for everyone))
 
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