It sounds like you are having a hard time admitting your mom has an addiction,(“the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity. ) if she’s currently on a medication and she physically needs it she has an addiction to that medication, she doesn’t need to abuse a drug to be addicted to it, the word addiction makes people defensive about themselves and their loved ones but if you remove personal feelings you’ll realize ” an addiction is an addiction “ whether it’s an approved medication or not. I’m done here.
I'd like to direct you to r/pssd on reddit, pssdforum.org and survivingantidepressants.org to see horror stories of people having brain damage and sexual dysfunction for years and even decades after a single dose or a few doses of antidepressant. Tramadol is an antidepressant and is capable of the same damage from one or a few doses. You just have to be extremely unlucky. Some people's brains are not meant for SSRI or SNRI use even in the slightest. Like I said before, there are two guys online claiming brain damage from long term use of tramadol. Neither can feel euphoria from alcohol and one has serious sexual dysfunction. The guy with both problems took it for 7 months.
Well all I know is that my balls shrunk, my genitalia is less sensitive and my semen volume is much much lower and that stuff doesn't happen as a result of just psychological issues. And yes, it doesn't seem common but then again not many people have my horrible luck and also take 700 mg of tramadol their first time with the drug on an empty stomach.
That's one hell of a coincidence especially considering how painful my withdrawal was after those three days, which is also incredibly unusual for just three days of use. And nothing but PSSD can explain my symptoms. Genital numbness, testicle shrinkage, reduced semen volume. The loss of libido could be depression, sure, but not the other symptoms. And they wouldn't come on that quickly if it was just depression.
If anything the internet forum is more valuable in this case than just you as a sample size. The internet has theoretically an infinite sample size and therefore I can find people that this happened to. Your experience with tramadol is not universal
I wish you were right, but unfortunately the many reports of this happening to people on various websites proves that you are wrong. I in fact learned about PSSD from someone who took only one dose. Oftentimes these people had taken antidepressants in the past without any problems. This was the case for that person and for me. And clearly you don't know much about PSSD because although the name implies that only SSRIs can cause it, that is not true, as SNRIs and Tricyclics can cause it too. In fact, any drug that targets SERT can cause it. Many people have it from trazodone. The name PSSD is a little misleading.^^This is misinformation. First of all, tramadol isn’t an SSRI, but rather an SNRI μ-opioid receptor agonist. You are perpetuating a false claim that taking an SSRI antidepressant just one time, can cause permanent brain damage. This is absolutely not true. There no evidence to back that claim up.
You have posted the same post on drugs-forum, and while I’m truly sorry for your situation, you are perpetuating a false claim that has been repeated on the internet that SSRI’s (which tramadol is not) causes permanent brain damage after just one use, which isn’t true.
I just think it is important to share my particular case because people need to know that it is very possible, no matter how unlikely, that this can happen to them from the use of any antidepressant from any amount of time or dosage. These medications are toxic for some people's bodies. Don't just take it from me, read up on the various personal reports of people on various forums and sites like reddit as well.^^This is misinformation. First of all, tramadol isn’t an SSRI, but rather an SNRI μ-opioid receptor agonist. You are perpetuating a false claim that taking an SSRI antidepressant just one time, can cause permanent brain damage. This is absolutely not true. There no evidence to back that claim up.
You have posted the same post on drugs-forum, and while I’m truly sorry for your situation, you are perpetuating a false claim that has been repeated on the internet that SSRI’s (which tramadol is not) causes permanent brain damage after just one use, which isn’t true.
Okay buddy, believe what you want but tell this to all of the real people suffering from PSSD, and the statistically significant number of them who got it from one dose or a few doses. Even if there was just one case of someone getting PSSD or another form of brain damage from only one dose (of which there are many cases) then that would make you wrong, no? There ARE real examples of people getting brain damage from a single dose of antidepressant. So your belief is easily falsifiable. Where have you heard information debunking this? From the very medical community that denies PSSD exists? Where does the conspiracy lie then? And make up your mind, is tramadol an antidepressant or not? You clearly stated in your previous post that it is an SNRI/opioid and now what? Suddenly it is just an opioid? At first I thought it was a seizure that happened during sleep but a seizure wouldn't cause these symptoms that align perfectly with pssd.This is a false claim about taking antidepressants (which tramadol is not, it’s an opioid painkiller) just once can cause permanent brain damage. This claim has been repeated all over the internet for 20 something years, and they are just as false then as they are now. It’s fear mongering, plain and simple.
Taking 700 mg of tramadol that one time does not cause any of the symptoms you describe, let alone permanent brain damage. Tramadol does increase your threshold of seizures, and does not play nice with other drugs or itself, for that matter. Unless you had a seizure taking that much tramadol at once, and don’t remember having one, your problems are not caused from a single dose of 700 mg of tramadol. Your beliefs are being falsely reinforced by misinformation found on the internet. A seizure absolutely can cause permanent brain damage, but you would probably remember having one if you did.
We get posts like these every few years, and they are all just trying to continue the spread misinformation about antidepressants (tramadol in this case) causing permanent brain damage after just one time taking them. That’s fear mongering, like anti-vaxxers are with COVID. You are repeating a completely debunked conspiracy theory, and continuing the exact same false information that reads like all of the other false claims on the internet verbatim.
Oh and also, it doesn't increase your threshold for seizures, it decreases it. It lowers seizure threshold, making you more likely to have a seizure. That's how that works. And I suggest you take just a few moments out of your day to find cases of real people who have pssd from a single dose. Once again, go on websites such as pssdforum, survivingantidepressants, and r/pssd on reddit. What, do you think all of these people are plants? By whom? The naturopathic community? Don't be ridiculous.This is a false claim about taking antidepressants (which tramadol is not, it’s an opioid painkiller) just once can cause permanent brain damage. This claim has been repeated all over the internet for 20 something years, and they are just as false then as they are now. It’s fear mongering, plain and simple.
Taking 700 mg of tramadol that one time does not cause any of the symptoms you describe, let alone permanent brain damage. Tramadol does increase your threshold of seizures, and does not play nice with other drugs or itself, for that matter. Unless you had a seizure taking that much tramadol at once, and don’t remember having one, your problems are not caused from a single dose of 700 mg of tramadol. Your beliefs are being falsely reinforced by misinformation found on the internet. A seizure absolutely can cause permanent brain damage, but you would probably remember having one if you did.
We get posts like these every few years, and they are all just trying to continue the spread misinformation about antidepressants (tramadol in this case) causing permanent brain damage after just one time taking them. That’s fear mongering, like anti-vaxxers are with COVID. You are repeating a completely debunked conspiracy theory, and continuing the exact same false information that reads like all of the other false claims on the internet verbatim.
No, no, you wasted my time with your undue skepticism.Prove it, let’s see some evidence to back that up. We require credible scientific evidence, and not just people on the internet saying it’s so.
If you can provide any real evidence that supports your claims then I will shut up. Otherwise you have wasted my time on two harm reduction forums now. Congratulations!
rxisk.org
Look into Dr David Healy as well. You do realize that science is incomplete right? The things that people know now about certain drugs were not known at a certain time in history, and the same is true about antidepressants. And medical practitioners in the US don't even acknowledge that PSSD exists, so according to you it must not, right? Meanwhile, the European medical community just did recognize its existence in 2019.Prove it, let’s see some evidence to back that up. We require credible scientific evidence, and not just people on the internet saying it’s so.
If you can provide any real evidence that supports your claims then I will shut up. Otherwise you have wasted my time on two harm reduction forums now. Congratulations!
Prove it, let’s see some evidence to back that up. We require credible scientific evidence, and not just people on the internet saying it’s so.
If you can provide any real evidence that supports your claims then I will shut up. Otherwise you have wasted my time on two harm reduction forums now. Congratulations!
Prove it, let’s see some evidence to back that up. We require credible scientific evidence, and not just people on the internet saying it’s so.
If you can provide any real evidence that supports your claims then I will shut up. Otherwise you have wasted my time on two harm reduction forums now. Congratulations!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Do you understand that NCBI is legitimate evidence?You just can’t say that you got brain damage from taking tramadol that one time. It doesn’t work that way, and going to sites like the ones you mentioned just reaffirms a false narrative you already believe to be right. I have no doubt that you believe what you believe, but the burden of proof is on you here. I don’t have to prove that tramadol does’t cause permanent brain damage at all. You are the one that has to prove those beliefs by providing some legitimate evidence to back up what you are saying. Any yahoo can say whatever about whatever on the internet.
Do you understand that?
"Clinical experience suggests that almost everyone who takes an SSRI or SNRI experiences a degree of reduced genital sensitivity, often occurring within 30 minutes of taking the first dose. In this sense, almost everyone taking a serotonin reuptake inhibitor has altered sexual functioning."That’s better, but it only accounts for chronic SSRI/ SNRI use. This has been known for a long time. It doesn’t say that a single dose of tramadol can cause this. Besides that, this study absolutely does not say that this condition is permanent, or a result of brain damage. There is absolutely no evidence for that, but I like to be proven wrong. So keep at it!
Did you even read any of the article? Those cases hardly sound like chronic use.That’s better, but it only accounts for chronic SSRI/ SNRI use in rats. This has been known for a long time. It doesn’t say that a single dose of tramadol can cause this. Besides that, this study absolutely does not say that this condition is permanent, or a result of brain damage. There is absolutely no evidence for that, but I like to be proven wrong. So keep at it!
The reported drugs were escitalopram (n = 42), citalopram (n = 41), paroxetine (n = 40), sertraline (n = 32), fluoxetine (n = 31), venlafaxine (n = 19), duloxetine (n = 10), fluvoxamine (n = 2), vortioxetine (n = 2), clomipramine (n = 1), and desvenlafaxine (n = 1). Fifteen subjects reported that the duration of drug exposure had been less than two weeks.That’s better, but it only accounts for chronic SSRI/ SNRI use in rats. This has been known for a long time. It doesn’t say that a single dose of tramadol can cause this. Besides that, this study absolutely does not say that this condition is permanent, or a result of brain damage. There is absolutely no evidence for that, but I like to be proven wrong. So keep at it!