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Toynbee idea

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Has anyone else walked around the downtown area of a major northeastern US city and seen one of these embedded in the asphalt? The central message is essentially the same cryptic four lines on all of them.

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I have a vague memory of walking through New York City as a young teenager and seeing one or two of these tiles. It gave me an oddly nostalgic feeling to find out that there was a documentary made in 2011, in which a couple of artists from the Philly area tackle the mystery of who created them, and what he's trying to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9KRkHF51_0

I encourage anyone to watch this surprisingly emotionally moving documentary, which raises philosophical questions about having a mission in life and the nature of human communication. I won't spoil it except to say that in the end some of the mystery remains, because the most likely suspect is highly elusive and reclusive, and clearly does not want to speak out or be contacted.

The tiles also contain other messages on the side, which remind me a bit of the preaching that used to adorn the packages of Dr. Bronner's soap products -- almost coherent. It would be all too easy to dismiss this entire phenomenon as the work of a paranoid, mentally ill man, and decide that that's all there is to say. But I'm reminded of Paul Simon singing that "the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenement halls", and I hav to wonder -- if there was an ordinary, unconnected and unschooled man with an idea that could really change the world, would we be able to tell him apart from a complete nutter? I've seen plot devices in fiction whereby a true prophet hides himself among mentally ill street people, either because that's the way he's received and told he belongs, or to keep people from discovering and exploiting his gift.

The Toynbee Tiler's deep and abiding faith in the importance of spreading an idea very important to him is what's so stunning about this whole phenomenon. I have to wonder, could Saint Paul, the original spreader of the story of Jesus, have been something like this man? It would be all too easy to pity this man, but I don't pity him at all. For him, life is incredibly meaningful.

Furthering the analogy with Saint Paul, since the documentary was released, the Toynbee Tiles have become something of a cult phenomenon among hip, artsy types on the internet -- I'm honestly surprised there's been no discussion of it on BL. Apparently there are now many new people making these tiles and affixing them to their city's streets. The mysterious and elusive original tiler's sidebar message of "You must make and glue tiles" has been heeded, and the meme has taken off.

I've been so taken with this documentary and the mystery of the tiles recently that I've done some background reading on Arnold J. Toynbee, the historian referenced by these tiles. I place Toynbee in the same category as Carl Jung and Ayn Rand -- intellectuals whose popular appeal far outshines the merit they're accorded by modern academe, because they happen to have said a lot of things people want to hear. Toynbee was an excellent writer, who gave his voluminous accounts of world history a sweeping, epic quality that few have captured since.

The idea that Toynbee is most remembered for has nothing to do with the planet Jupiter. A theme he brings up constantly in his work is that societies need to aim their sights on impossibly grand goals, in order to achieve progress and accomplishments that are just within reach. In other words, idealism and belief in a glorious distant future is the dynamo of any truly dynamic society. Nowadays Toynbee's unabashedly teleological approach to history makes scholars cringe, but I think he makes a good point. It's something I've intuited for a while now, and is a great rebuttal to the modern and postmodern experiments with the dismantling of meaning, endpoints, and ideology in general. Simply put, the future belongs to those who dare to believe in things.

And this idea (as opposed to anything about the physical resurrection of dead earthlings on Jupiter) is what I thank the Toynbee Tiler for bringing to my attention, because it's truly an idea worth consideration. Forgive me for dreaming big, but again going back to the analogy of Saint Paul, I wonder if the proliferation of Toynbee's Idea in this phenomenon represents the beginning of the proverbial phoenix rising from the ashes, the beginning or source of whole new ideologies and lofty ideas on the destiny of mankind, as the modern world slowly paves over the ruins of our old ideologies which don't serve us anymore.

Any thoughts, comments, or photographs would be welcome.
 
Simply put, the future belongs to those who dare to believe in things.

Not to piss on your quasi-teleo-optimistic-progressive parade; but can't we all agree that the future belongs utterly and unequivocally to those who are responsible for the establishment, maintenance, and reinforcement of the power structures that sculpt it?

Also, to the extent that technology as such has played a significant role in the unfolding of human history, the notion that contemporary society is the product of 'dreams' and 'ideals' (for instance, the beliefs and ethical motives that underpinned the establishment of modern medicine) is wistfully ahistorical in the extreme. Many or most of the impressive technological advancements whose fruits humanity currently enjoys (e.g. penicillin) were not the product of limitless imaginations nor high-minded humanitarian aspirations - they were, for lack of a better word, the result of semi-accidents and happy coincidences, the real-world consequences of which were amplified and fully realized near-solely by way of private and governmental interest ($$$).
 
^ Actually, I think popular support for existing power structures usually supervenes upon a popular and grassroots-level dream of the future. This is sometimes, quite often actually, a dream of restoring the glory of a past dreamed-of golden age, whose dreamed-of form really exists only in the hearts and minds of the citizenry. To say that the powerful sell the common people a dream and in so doing purchase the right to lord over them is only half the story. The other half is that a coherent populace has a need for a collectively remembered version of the past as well as a collectively envisioned future, and any person of means and might amongst them who promises to meet that need will naturally turn ears.

It makes me very happy every time I see an ordinary, even quirky or obviously flawed person like the Toynbee Tiler, receive some popular attention for what they've got to say. I can more easily trust that their dissemination of their message is done as a labor of love and a true devotion to the message, rather than as a selfish gambit for power or the limelight.
 
Well said, but,

a coherent populace has a need for a collectively remembered version of the past as well as a collectively envisioned future, and any person of means and might amongst them who promises to meet that need will naturally turn ears.

Sure, they'll win ears, but what else? There is no shortage of instantly accessible, absolutely brilliant social ideas in the age of the World Wide Web. Nevertheless, an atrocious wealth gap is persistent, omnipresent, and generally expanding in just about everywhere that isn't the 'First' World; the very same institutions (with few exceptions and minor variations) remain just as oppressive, repressive, and otherwise historically influential as they were >100 years ago; glib nihilism and retrograde politics continue to assert themselves as very real, daunting presences in the sociopolitical sphere; and, finally, even the most challenging and revolutionary ideas of the last century have been near-seamlessly absorbed by and/or assimilated into the same old consumer/capital/war/politics/corruption/prison/media hydra that seemingly cannot and will not quit until the world is reduced to a swamp of ash, tree-stumps, and dross. Do you not perceive the glaring discrepancy between your quasi-Hegelian/Weberian vision of social change and the material reality of the present?
 
^ Injustice remains, but from what I understand of history, the world as it is now is more just than it's ever been. I don't see any reason not to keep pulling in the direction of making the world a more just place, if only to see what comes of it.
 
Hmmm. That's quite a claim to make. Violence and outright institutional conflict do indeed appear to be on the decline, but I'm not so certain about this (supposed) trend's temporal stability, nor about how well it fits into the techno-progressivist's ideal upward curve of human prosperity. Poverty isn't exactly vanishing, for one thing. Nor is the ongoing ecological disaster. Human suffering is a hard thing to calculate with any degree of confidence, but, if it came to a bet re. the ultimate future of humanity, my chips would be on the side of the staunch pessimists - certainly not without reason.
 
For reasons unfathomable to me, I am reminded of the scene in American Psycho in which Pat Bateman tells his ex-fiancee, Evelyn (with whom he has just curtly broken up in public), upon her breaking down in tears in the middle of the restaurant in which they are eating, "I've assessed the situation, and I'm leaving."

You say, "suit yourself," as though I possess some faculty of meaningful choice or agency wrt my attitudes/beliefs, or that I exhibit some measure of arcane control over the manner in which the world itself appears to me. I don't know...I guess that, re. the world, its inhabitants, and the direction(s) toward which they both appear to be headed, "I've assessed the situation, and I'm disgusted, stricken, disappointed."
 
I'm in no way trying to invalidate your experience of the world, P A. It's not as though what you're saying has never occurred to me. I'm simply saying that I don't have it in me to respond to the pain of life with the same conclusions you do. I'm a natural born healer and fixer. If all attempts at healing, fixing, and making right what's wrong are ultimately futile, then I might as well just quit.

Intelligence be damned. I have no special place in my heart for logical precision, the life of the mind, or the relentless quest for truth, except for the extent to which these abilities help me connect with and help others, and lead me towards ultimate meaning. Searching for signs of what this all means, including in graffiti, scraps of paper on the ground, and the rantings of odd people, is something I'll probably never stop doing until the day I die. At this point I couldn't care less if people disrespect or fail to relate to this. But please don't anybody pity me or tell me I'm wasting my mind or my life. Because if there is no plan or meaning behind any of this, then I fail to see any basis for saying any life is better lived than any other.
 
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